SCOTUS Nomination Thread

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theeedude

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Let me run all these TV ads to get you elected. No no, I insist and don't expect a thing in return.

Except for "redress of grievances," of course.
I grieve all these regulations I have to follow and taxes I have to pay. Could you please redress them? And I will completely coincidentally share a portion of the redress benefits with a completely independent Super PAC that just happens to run ads supporting you. Because that doesn't give rise to corruption or appearance of corruption. That's Republican ethics for you.
 

glenn1

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Except for "redress of grievances," of course.
I grieve all these regulations I have to follow and taxes I have to pay. Could you please redress them? And I will completely coincidentally share a portion of the redress benefits with a completely independent Super PAC that just happens to run ads supporting you. Because that doesn't give rise to corruption or appearance of corruption. That's Republican ethics for you.

tl;dr No, I don't believe in the First Amendment and some are more equal than others.
 

glenn1

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First Amendment is not about the corporations and money is not speech.

As Bane would say "admirable but mistaken." You can continue to exist in your bubble free from advertising with thoughts that terrify you regardless of what happens to Citizens United. If a future SCOTUS misapplies plain Constitutional language to overrule it things really won't change much. We will simply return to status quo ante where corporations could run all the "issue ads" they want. But instead of saying "vote against Obama's terrible plan to do X" they won't also be able to say "...and also don't vote for Obama." Either way corporations will still have the same abilities to "bribe" politicians with advertisements as they did before.
 

theeedude

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As Bane would say "admirable but mistaken." You can continue to exist in your bubble free from advertising with thoughts that terrify you regardless of what happens to Citizens United. If a future SCOTUS misapplies plain Constitutional language to overrule it things really won't change much. We will simply return to status quo ante where corporations could run all the "issue ads" they want. But instead of saying "vote against Obama's terrible plan to do X" they won't also be able to say "...and also don't vote for Obama." Either way corporations will still have the same abilities to "bribe" politicians with advertisements as they did before.

And you can continue living in your bubble where "independent expenditures, including those made by corporations, do not give rise to corruption or the appearance of corruption."
Must be a fun place.
 

glenn1

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And you can continue living in your bubble where "independent expenditures, including those made by corporations, do not give rise to corruption or the appearance of corruption."
Must be a fun place.

You can have last word on this as it's a tangent to the main thread topic and we've all said our piece on it anyway. With that I'll guide this thread back on track.
 

theeedude

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Back on topic, Obama is the President, he gets to nominate. Constitutionally, there is no waiting for next President. There is nomination, advise, and consent.
 

glenn1

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Back on topic, Obama is the President, he gets to nominate. Constitutionally, there is no waiting for next President. There is nomination, advise, and consent or rejection

Slightly adjusted for better accuracy.
 

shira

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It's pretty clear that the right will refuse to "consent" to any SCOTUS nomination Obama makes, under the "argument" that the Obama is a lame duck and the "voters should decide" who will make the new nominations.

As obviously invalid as that argument is, I think it's totally reasonable to ask those making this argument what they'll do if another Democrat is elected President. Because they can't have it both ways. They can't argue that the "voters will decide" as their excuse now, and then when the voters DO decide on another Democrat, they continue to obstruct.

So have the right make a firm commitment now.
 

Jhhnn

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Repubs have enjoyed undue power on the court for decades due to circumstance & shrewd choices. They were merely lucky to have the opportunities to exploit, which they did.

Now that luck has turned against them they're doubling down, hoping for better luck after the election.

In that, they're assuming this won't help to deny them a majority after the election, which it just well might.

More balls than brains, I think.
 

theeedude

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If the first amendment applies to individuals, it applies to groups of individuals.
But not corporations, which are legal entities that are owned by groups of individuals, not groups of individuals themselves. Corporate liabilities don't transfer on to the individuals, so individual rights don't transfer to the corporations.
 

Bitek

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It's pretty clear that the right will refuse to "consent" to any SCOTUS nomination Obama makes, under the "argument" that the Obama is a lame duck and the "voters should decide" who will make the new nominations.

As obviously invalid as that argument is, I think it's totally reasonable to ask those making this argument what they'll do if another Democrat is elected President. Because they can't have it both ways. They can't argue that the "voters will decide" as their excuse now, and then when the voters DO decide on another Democrat, they continue to obstruct.

So have the right make a firm commitment now.

What they will get if Hill or Bern wins is a nominee who should be far more liberal.

The party is going to the left of Obama, and he'll have to play it careful if he wants any chance to get a pick through.

OTOH, if a dem wins, it will be a strong mandate to go left (esp if Bern wins.) If they do obstruct, I hope they do get a flaming liberal shoved up their asses for decades.
 
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JSt0rm

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He never intended on putting her up. He wanted to make it look like he was gonna replace a woman with a woman. So he put that lady out there. Let her get ripped apart by his own team then switched her for a he.
 

Sonikku

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If Dems took the Senate and Hillary became pres, any of you guys think an Obama nomination would just about cause a GoP meltdown?
 

bozack

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They won't. Their sense of duty to the people & the country is bigger than that. With their hostage taking, Repubs reveal that they really don't care about that. If they can't run the govt the way they want they'll be damned if they'll let anybody else do it well.

biggest load of crap I have read all month thanks for the laugh
 

lopri

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If the first amendment applies to individuals, it applies to groups of individuals.

Corporations are a legal fiction that is created to drive profits, and a corporation's interests do not always align with citizenry's interests. What bugs me most is that corporate apologists invariably bring up that point whenever corporations are criticized for legally/ethically dubious behaviors, e.g. "Corporations are merely trying to maximize shareholder values," yet when time comes for elections they do a 180° and pretend as if corporations were high-minded civic agents. You cannot have it both ways.

Furthermore, a ruling of Citizens United is that speaker's (corporate) identity cannot be the basis of spending restrictions. There is a subtle difference between this statement and the notion that corporations equal people. Corporations are subject to lots of speech regulations - commercial/professional speech regulations, trade-secrets doctrines, intellectual property laws, etc. are examples of strong speech restrictions on corporations that do not apply to citizenry at large. Yet somehow they now have a much bigger free-speech right than natural persons in elections.

I originally supported this rationale that speakers identity cannot be the basis for speech regulations. But subsequent court rulings revealed the conservatives' true colors; they ignored their own principle on that point while continuing to rule for the moneyed interests in the election contexts. The conservative majority on the court does not care if little people's speeches are restricted - especially if those little people are seeking damages or compensations from corporate defendants, or blowing whistle on their wrongdoings. (exception: anti-abortion protesters and Kim Davis's of the world) Their anti-union attitudes all but confirm this laughable double standard. So now I think the lofty rhetoric of free speech in Citizens United was simply a pretext laid out by the conservative judges who wanted to push their ideological partisan goals, just as they invoked, astoundingly, Equal Protection to gift presidency to W. in 2000. (Who knew W. was a victim of an intentional discrimination? Hah.)

Neither is a keyboard. But if I ban you from using keyboards, your ability to communicate is abridged.
Neither is your underwear that you wish to take off in public to express your outrage against anti-nudity laws. And do not forget that a keyboard should meet regulatory standards and its manufacturers and dealers are subject to trade laws and labor laws. Are those laws and regulations are impediment to free speech as well?

That is the point here. You can turn just about everything in life into a matter of speech, but I have never seen anyone taking that principle to its logical extreme. There is a good reason for that abstain, as you can well imagine.

Those who disagree with Citizens United do not deny that money has a role to play in politics. Question is, whether content-and-viewpoint neutral laws can regulate money in politics so that its corruptive effects and inequality in participatory democracy can be minimized. Citizens United answered categorical "no," answering on so-called "independent" expenditures. And we are now observing in 2016 the fallout from that decision and how it has backfired, spectacularly on the GOP field. There will be lots of discussions about the decision in the coming years and how it did not work out as the conservatives expected/hoped.
 
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Nebor

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This is ridiculous behavior from the Republicans. Obama is the president, he gets to pick the new justice. It makes no sense to leave the court short handed just so they can hope for a better outcome. Why not just play by the rules and hope that there's a republics. President the next time a justice dies? Childishness from the GOP.
 

cyclohexane

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This is ridiculous behavior from the Republicans. Obama is the president, he gets to pick the new justice. It makes no sense to leave the court short handed just so they can hope for a better outcome. Why not just play by the rules and hope that there's a republics. President the next time a justice dies? Childishness from the GOP.

Muthafucking this. The republicans are destroying the constitution. Sheer hypocrisy - only follow the rules when it suits them.
 
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