Securing our border

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Orignal Earl

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And legalizing is going to fix that how?

If they are going working for min wage, they aren't paying taxes.

SS? They'll get more then they put in
Medicare? They'll get more then they put in
Federal taxes? Get everything back, if not more then that as an EIC
State taxes? IDK - but I doubt much
Sales taxes? Already pay now

Plus they'll now have access to all public handouts.

So how exactly is legalizing these criminals helping the USA?

Immigrants will have huge families who all will be paying into the system.
At the same time they will respect their elders and take care of them taking a lot of the burden off the system.
Within a single generation, a single immigrant child could be hiring dozens of computer repair guys
 

michal1980

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Immigrants will have huge families who all will be paying into the system.
At the same time they will respect their elders and take care of them taking a lot of the burden off the system.
Within a single generation, a single immigrant child could be hiring dozens of computer repair guys

Right and medicare and SS are now solvent because of how well amnesty turned on the last time. /s

A single outlier wont cover the millions of poor.

And as I pointed out. If you pay x into the system, but take out x+y from the system, you aren't paying into the system at all.
 
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rudeguy

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Immigrants will have huge families who all will be paying into the system.
What? Please explain this.
At the same time they will respect their elders and take care of them taking a lot of the burden off the system.
Would you be in favor of immigrants not being eligible to receive benefits?
Within a single generation, a single immigrant child could be hiring dozens of computer repair guys
Why would they do this? Again, could you please explain your logic?
 

Orignal Earl

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What? Please explain this.

Would you be in favor of immigrants not being eligible to receive benefits?

Why would they do this? Again, could you please explain your logic?

What? I see it here all the time depending on the topic, immigrants have a lot more children then your average poster

No

To live the American dream


I'm off to my "shitty" lumber yard job. Looks like a mighty fine day for it.
Have a good one
 

rudeguy

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What? I see it here all the time depending on the topic, immigrants have a lot more children then your average poster

No

To live the American dream


I'm off to my "shitty" lumber yard job. Looks like a mighty fine day for it.
Have a good one

I'm jealous that you get to be outside!

I'm stuck in my workshop. No windows, no fresh air. Its like a cell.
 

Humpy

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ahh an open boarder nutter.

Do you support total free trade with every country? Because there really is no difference to what you are doing to the American worker.

Also, why do you hate Americans so much?

For whatever reason, you seem to have misunderstood.

Although, you are a good example of why I have little respect for other Americans.
 

werepossum

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You are right, most of their illegal (or irregular, lol) immigration is from Soviet States. Based on the oft repeated idea of "they broke the law, they are illegal and need to leave" it shouldn't really matter why. The Russian's, as many Americans do, just see them in black and white as illegal. If there is a solution to the problem I imagine they will figure it out. I know we will see it as barbaric and chastise them for it.

Greece's issue is mostly based in policy and lack of doing anything about it, kind of like in the U.S.

The estimates seem to range between 4 and 10 million in Russia, depending on the year. If the main issue is how it affects job prospects of citizens then looking at it as a percentage is fair and really the only logical way. If the issue is something else, like how it affects land use, then probably not.
Russia and Greece WISH their immigrants were Mexicans, who work hard, drink beer and tequila instead of vodka, and very, very seldom explode.

Dear Diary:

There isn't much agreement on what the actual problem is, how severe it is, and what to do about it. I don't think it's our overall immigration policy because the focus is only on how we deal with one particular border. I don't think it's a security crisis like if the Germans invaded Pearl Harbor. I don't really think it's much of an economic problem. It's just the inevitable chaos that occurs between rich neighborhoods and poor neighborhoods.

I'm OK with relaxing the rules regarding our neighbors coming here to stay/work. The overall net effect on our economy is close enough to zero. Immigrants who work also spend, and from my experience they would mostly want contribute via taxes if it meant they could more freely pursue their goals. Yes, there are localized issues with schools and hospitals and other problems with language and culture but those don't rise very high on my give-a-shit index and are rooted elsewhere.

That leaves jobs and I guess it comes down to that I don't believe "citizenship" is worth much here. If a U.S. citizen can't compete with a dude who hitch hiked up from Mexico to spend 8 hours a day doing manual labor I have little sympathy. I don't think plopping out of your mom's hole on this side of the line should give you a pass on having to work hard.

Our focus internally should be on workplace rights and safety, enforcing compensation standards, and bringing everyone who works into the fold so they can contribute. Our border policy should be that you are welcome to come in through the front door, where you will sign in, be medically and criminally screened, and given some coupons to local businesses. Anyone who tries to skip around through the backyard could justifiably be dispatched with. Tons of Americans would love to be the border agents guarding the backyard.
If you have "little sympathy" for a U.S. citizen working hard at a demanding job who loses it to a dude who hitch hiked up from Mexico who is willing to work for less with few or no of the protections Western civilization accords, I'm guessing you are moving straight from voting for Obama to voting for Hillary.

In all honesty, I'd try to refrain from using the SS and Medicare arguments as EVERYONE who takes from SS gets more than they put in; Medicare most likely.
Depends on how you figure it. Money has time value as well. Social Security and Medicare have my money over a fifty-four year period, against my will and better judgement. With any retirement plan of my choice that would make me a millionaire; is it my fault they set up a Ponzi scheme instead of investing the money government forced me to give them?
 

michal1980

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For whatever reason, you seem to have misunderstood.

Although, you are a good example of why I have little respect for other Americans.

An America hater would have little respect for America, and if you do have so little respect for the country why don't you make like a Mexican and migrate.
 
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Orignal Earl

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I'm jealous that you get to be outside!

I'm stuck in my workshop. No windows, no fresh air. Its like a cell.

What??
You live in America, go get yourself a job picking fruit, meet some nice Latino women and start squeezing out some more babies
 

Humpy

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An America hater would have little respect for America, and if you do have so little respect for the country why don't you make like a Mexican and migrate.

Nah, I like my low stress, high paying government job, the six weeks of paid time off, and the Cadillac health care plan that comes with it too much to go anywhere permanent just yet. I do spend a week or so in Mexico every winter hanging out with some of the people I use to employ when I owned a construction business in New Mexico.

You should get out more. You'll find some pretty chill people from all over the world if you look. It will also relieve some of your fear of people who don't look or talk like you.
 

Humpy

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If you have "little sympathy" for a U.S. citizen working hard at a demanding job who loses it to a dude who hitch hiked up from Mexico who is willing to work for less with few or no of the protections Western civilization accords, I'm guessing you are moving straight from voting for Obama to voting for Hillary.

As I wrote in my manifesto, "Our focus internally should be on workplace rights and safety, enforcing compensation standards, and bringing everyone who works into the fold so they can contribute".

Workers shouldn't be exploited. It doesn't matter if they are "citizens" or not.
 

michal1980

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Nah, I like my low stress, high paying government job, the six weeks of paid time off, and the Cadillac health care plan that comes with it too much to go anywhere permanent just yet. I do spend a week or so in Mexico every winter hanging out with some of the people I use to employ when I owned a construction business in New Mexico.

You should get out more. You'll find some pretty chill people from all over the world if you look. It will also relieve some of your fear of people who don't look or talk like you.

Who says I fear people?

I'd just rather maintain a standard of living for American's, rather the lowering our standards for some foreigners.

PS It figures that someone living of the back of tax payers doesn't care about private sector job wages going down. You got yours screw everyone else. You think us tax payers are just your slaves working to pay your wage.
 
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Humpy

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Who says I fear people?

It was the impression that I got.

I'd just rather maintain a standard of living for American's, rather the lowering our standards for some foreigners.

I would hope you would want more than to just maintain. Letting people in doesn't go hand in hand with lowering standards.

PS It figures that someone living of the back of tax payers doesn't care about private sector job wages going down. You got yours screw everyone else. You think us tax payers are just your slaves working to pay your wage.

I got mine by paying attention and putting in the effort. I work at a University, so not only do I live off the back of taxpayers, I live off the back of mostly foreign students taking advantage of our educational system.
 
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TuSpockShakur

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The best way to secure the border starts with ending birth right citizenship for alien born children.
 

inachu

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Not one top 1% wants a secure border because that would go against the rules set forth by Barbara Lerner Specter.
 

michal1980

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It was the impression that I got.



I would hope you would want more than to just maintain. Letting people in doesn't go hand in hand with lowering standards.



I got mine by paying attention and putting in the effort. I work at a University, so not only do I live off the back of taxpayers, I live off the back of mostly foreign students taking advantage of our educational system.


And those foreigners are legal.

Still haven't seen one person say what benefits Americans will get from legalizing millions of low skill, low wage, uneducated illegals.

They list benefits to the illegals but nothing that will generally benefit Americans.
 

Genx87

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Who says I fear people?

I'd just rather maintain a standard of living for American's, rather the lowering our standards for some foreigners.

PS It figures that someone living of the back of tax payers doesn't care about private sector job wages going down. You got yours screw everyone else. You think us tax payers are just your slaves working to pay your wage.

Says the guy who complains about immigration but was born in the United States thanks to immigrants coming from somewhere.
 

rudeguy

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They ate yours for breakfast.

we've had a lot of stupid people on these forums in my time. A LOT. You are by far the dumbest person I have ever seen post. Not one of your posts contributes anything to the forums and most sound like a drunk 5 year old thought them up.

I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.
 
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