Securing our border

[dank69]

We aren't securing the border because it is effectively impossible to do so and nobody cares anyway because illegal immigrants aren't taking our jobs they are doing the jobs that Americans don't want to do anyway.

 

[hal2kilo]

It is cost prohibitive and honestly wont stop the flow. It may slow it in some areas. But the migrants will find another path.

A lot of the issues surrounding illegal immigration would be solved if we passed meaningful immigration reform. Reform that makes it easier to become a citizen. This is just prohibition on immigration. We know how prohibition works out in other markets right?

Plus, it ignores that fact that most illegals came here legally, and have over stayed their visas. How's securing the border going to fix that?

 

[rudeguy]

It is cost prohibitive and honestly wont stop the flow. It may slow it in some areas. But the migrants will find another path.

A lot of the issues surrounding illegal immigration would be solved if we passed meaningful immigration reform. Reform that makes it easier to become a citizen. This is just prohibition on immigration. We know how prohibition works out in other markets right?

You are just spitting up talking points.

"a lot of the issues" is not the whole issue. Securing our borders is not "prohibition on immigration".

That post was easily one of the most uninformed political puke fests I have ever seen.

 

[JockoJohnson]

The simple answer is to make life in America so shitty that people want to flood into Mexico and Canada.

 

[Genx87]

You are just spitting up talking points.

"a lot of the issues" is not the whole issue. Securing our borders is not "prohibition on immigration".

That post was easily one of the most uninformed political puke fests I have ever seen.

Are you denying our law as it stands isn't basically a prohibition on legal immigration? If it isn't. How do you account for the millions of people who have bypassed it in favor of going underground?

 

[soundforbjt]

The simple answer is to make life in America so shitty that people want to flood into Mexico and Canada.

Isn't that the Republican Party platform?

 

[JockoJohnson]

Isn't that the Republican Party platform?

Pretty much. When I wrote it, I was thinking about that.

 

[sm625]

The entire edifice, Washington DC, the banks, the corporate media, the mega corporations themselves, the foundations, the think tanks, the CFR... all of it is for open borders. If you are a democrat or a republican, you are for open borders. Period. It serves all of their agenda in so many ways. You get depressed wages. More voters. More social conflict. More disease. More drugs. More police militarization. Hell, just the money we spend militarizing the police in response to just the damage done by the open border policy is more than enough money to dig a 50 foot moat across the entire southern border. It would only cost a few billion to dig a trench down there, fill it with water, and put a few men per mile to patrol it. It is a literal drop in the bucket.

 

[dank69]

... More drugs.

Nice! Where do I sign up?

More police militarization. Hell, just the money we spend militarizing the police in response to just the damage done by the open border policy is more than enough money to dig a 50 foot moat across the entire southern border. It would only cost a few billion to dig a trench down there, fill it with water, and put a few men per mile to patrol it. It is a literal drop in the bucket.

I think ending the war on drugs would be a good first step toward reducing the police militarization.

 

[rudeguy]

Nice! Where do I sign up?



I think ending the war on drugs would be a good first step toward reducing the police militarization.

Last time we talked about ending the war on drugs, the democrats decided too many people would lose their jobs. So we have to continue to imprison people, wreck lives, waste trillions of dollars. So people don't have to actually work for a living.

 

[dank69]

Last time we talked about ending the war on drugs, the democrats decided too many people would lose their jobs. So we have to continue to imprison people, wreck lives, waste trillions of dollars. So people don't have to actually work for a living.

What shitheaded Democrats said that?

 

[rudeguy]

What shitheaded Democrats said that?

It was the consensus. Same argument that was applied to shutting down mail service on Saturdays.

 

[dank69]

It was the consensus. Same argument that was applied to shutting down mail service on Saturdays.

The consensus? I highly doubt that.

 

[Ophir]

Last time we talked about ending the war on drugs, the democrats decided too many people would lose their jobs. So we have to continue to imprison people, wreck lives, waste trillions of dollars. So people don't have to actually work for a living.

Please back up the bolded part with references.

 

[cabri]

And impossible. Do you think that you can stop people so desperate that they send their 10 year old sons and daughters several thousand miles on their own in the hope that they *might* end up with a better life? You really think that?

They send them because they have been convinced that the children will be accepted and then allowed to bring the rest of the family.

And because some were concerned about trafficking of children; the government continues this farce.

Remove the economic incentive and the majority will not desire to come.
Also, work with Mexico (carrot and stick) to prevent the transient population coming from the southern countries through Mexico.

 

[cabri]

I think we have seen a wall like this before. Oh where was that again? Berlin I believe? They have since taken that wall down for good reason.

The wall came down due to economic reasons; not because it failed.

It is the attitude of the government in that once you reach American soil; you get certain rights and benefits until shown otherwise.

As a result; this buys the illegals enough breathing room that the bleeding heart illegal advocates can then marshal resources to con/delay the system until the illegals are able to get lost/forgotten.

When the illegals get to go to the head of the line vs people that apply through legal means it demonstrates a serious flaw in the system and priorities.

 

[Ophir]

It was the consensus. Same argument that was applied to shutting down mail service on Saturdays.

Ah, the nebulous "consensus"! Of course. Totally not something you made up, or very poorly inferred, and try to back up with vagaries. A link or two would help your case.

Also, nice one lumping drug policy with Saturday mail delivery. Wholly unexpected, but you pulled it off.

 

[cabri]

Plus, it ignores that fact that most illegals came here legally, and have over stayed their visas. How's securing the border going to fix that?

How about then enforcing the visa expiration and/or verifying the legitimacy of the visa purpose.

Those that overstay are not tracked down and unless turned in; they continue on.
No one wants to put the effort into finding them.

While no method may be fool proof; to ignore the issues then accomplish nothing.

There are many avenues that can be taken and each will have an impact on reducing the illegal population as well as those that are attempting to come illegally.

 

[Squeetard]

"Our" border? Last I checked this is a world wide forum.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Off the meds again?

As for the OP's question. Because the only solution that may even be remotely acceptable to those who constantly beat the "secure the border" drum is probably something that would like the border between East and West Germany.

Take a look at how Mexico secures it's southern boarder. Yes, I know it's a much smaller boarder than ours, but it clearly shows the hypocrisy of the Mexican government. Mexico is know for being not very nice to its illegals.

Our boarder will never be secured because the Ds want voters and a permanent underclass to pander to and many of the Rs want the cheap labor and think that some of those good catholic Mexicans won't vote D.

 

[maddogchen]

Funny, I was just in Berlin looking at whats left of the Berlin wall.

Even with two separate tall walls, pits, barbed wire, guards, snipers, tunnel listeners....determined and desperate Germans still made it across. And that was just a wall that went around half a city.

 

[feralkid]

I vote for basically a Great Wall of China to be built along the WHOLE border. On the towers are snipers and machine guns nests. But build it about a mile inside our border and fill that mile with land mines. Put up signs at the actual border that say enter at own risk and we shoot to kill. Also put in some devices that can feel ground moving so we know if they are digging a tunnel.

Should put a nice dent in the few lucky ones that somehow survive the mine field and snipers and the wall.

That idea only works in the mind of a 10 year old.

Or perhaps a congressman.

 

[brycejones]

So we shouldn't secure the border because to do so we'd have to secure the border. M'kay . . . So you'd be fine with securing the border as long as we do nothing to actually prevent people from traveling across it.

Also, no meds here. I'm a conservative - we LIKE our parents.

Not what I said, try again.

 

[brycejones]

Funny, I was just in Berlin looking at whats left of the Berlin wall.

Even with two separate tall walls, pits, barbed wire, guards, snipers, tunnel listeners....determined and desperate Germans still made it across. And that was just a wall that went around half a city.

Not good enough! It wasn't secure!

 

[FrankRamiro]

How much money and how many men do you think it will take to secure the border? Why do you think people come to this country? Are there alternatives to securing our border or things that can be done in conjunction with securing our border?

An immigration bill was passed in the senate in 2013, what about that bill don't you like?

It doesn't matter how many police men they put in the Boarder, or how much fence they put up, it will not stop illegals from entering in this Country by the millions;what would stop illegals from entering here, would be enforcing the law and making it touch for illegals to stay here,but no;USA is giving illegals incentives to stay,some states instead of enforcing the in place emigration laws, they even say to legals, your welcome in our state and will not move a finger against you,remember the Politicians won't do anything to stop this illegal infestation ,because these politicians don't care how much they hurt USA but rather care about being elected and getting in power; because power gets them rich.