In this context no. Both were a waste of time and resources. Both represented broken ideas that ultimately fail.
You don't see even a tiny difference between a wall built to keep people out and a wall built to keep people in?
What you call talking points I call reality.
You cant see what is wrong with our immigration law? We only have an estimated 12-15+ million people who came here and bypassed the entire thing. Clearly the entire process needs to be overhauled.
You honestly can't see the problem with your answers?
You are only spewing talking points. You offer nothing specific. Just more made up numbers and talking points.
Internment Camps.
Send all Illegals to Afghanistan.
What is your solution? Erect a wall that wont work and try to round up 12-15 million law breakers? Good luck with that.
It doesn't mean what you think it does.
It doesn't mean what you think it does.
Way to move the goal posts!
I don't think you know mine and dank's history.
Dank loves that .GIF. He emails me at night asking me to post it.
By that standard we should also overhaul laws against shoplifting, speeding, assault, burglary, etc. to just make those things legal.What you call talking points I call reality.
You cant see what is wrong with our immigration law? We only have an estimated 12-15+ million people who came here and bypassed the entire thing. Clearly the entire process needs to be overhauled.
By that standard we should also overhaul laws against shoplifting, speeding, assault, burglary, etc. to just make those things legal.
In fact, why go halfway? Let's just abolish all laws and eliminate any need for future overhauls.
Well what is your solution then? Werepossum was complaining about law breakers. Or are you agreeing with me that rounding up current illegals is impossible and a waste of time?
Because posting it 4 times wasn't enough:
1. Secure the border
2. Fix immigration policy
3. Deal with the illegals
Please excuse the analogy but its the best I have: Its like if you are on a boat that is sinking. If all you do is bail out the water (illegals), you are still going to sink. We are already bailing out some water (illegals) but we need to plug the hole (secure the border) so we can start to fix the problem and not just keep afloat. After we plug the hole, we need to find a way to keep this problem from happening again. That means fixing the policy that every person in the world agrees is broken. After that, after the border is secure and we have fixed the policy to something that works, then we can address the illegals.
But you and so many like you keep glancing over the fact that these illegals not only broke the law to get here, they break the law and commit identity theft when they do work here. Those are serious crimes. We can't possibly reward someone for breaking the law, putting national security at risk, stealing people's identities and however many other laws they broke. We cannot do that. Now if these people want to apply to be citizens under the new immigration policy, that's fine. Lets just hope their felony convictions don't get in the way. Since after all, they committed felonies.
OK, non-answers. It's all based on feelings. No surprise.What you call talking points I call reality.
You cant see what is wrong with our immigration law? We only have an estimated 12-15+ million people who came here and bypassed the entire thing. Clearly the entire process needs to be overhauled.
You dont seem to understand once immigration reform is fixed in a way that it doesn't drive 10s of millions of people to bypass it. The wall is as useless as it ever was. Why don't you save the tax payers billions of dollars building a fence and skip step #1.
Dealing with illegals is part of the immigration reform. I think offering a quick path to citizenship would be the easiest way to get them to come out from the shadows of our society. You seem to believe turning them all into felons will serve the country better. Like I said, good luck with that. Not to mention they wont come forward if you turn them into felons. So you didnt deal with illegals at all.
It is like you took the most cost prohibitive and difficult way to go about this and thought it a good plan.
They're trying that out in Baltimore right now. The possibility of success seems sketchy but I don't live there so I don't much care.In fact, why go halfway? Let's just abolish all laws and eliminate any need for future overhauls.
How would I turn them into felons? You become a felon by committing felonies, which they did.
So justice is determined by the amount of advocacy one can muster? There may not be many directly advocating that our domestic laws are broken, but there are many arguing that our domestic laws are racist. Shouldn't that count? If the solution to people breaking laws is to rewrite the laws around those people's behavior, why on Earth would this benefit be reserved only for illegals? I say remove tax laws and speeding laws - don't we all agree those are broken?Why? Where are all the people claiming laws against shoplifting, speeding, assault, burglary are broken?
Immigration laws is pretty universally acknowledged by both parties to be broken. They are just squabbling over how to fix them.
Well said, sir.Because posting it 4 times wasn't enough:
1. Secure the border
2. Fix immigration policy
3. Deal with the illegals
Please excuse the analogy but its the best I have: Its like if you are on a boat that is sinking. If all you do is bail out the water (illegals), you are still going to sink. We are already bailing out some water (illegals) but we need to plug the hole (secure the border) so we can start to fix the problem and not just keep afloat. After we plug the hole, we need to find a way to keep this problem from happening again. That means fixing the policy that every person in the world agrees is broken. After that, after the border is secure and we have fixed the policy to something that works, then we can address the illegals.
But you and so many like you keep glancing over the fact that these illegals not only broke the law to get here, they break the law and commit identity theft when they do work here. Those are serious crimes. We can't possibly reward someone for breaking the law, putting national security at risk, stealing people's identities and however many other laws they broke. We cannot do that. Now if these people want to apply to be citizens under the new immigration policy, that's fine. Lets just hope their felony convictions don't get in the way. Since after all, they committed felonies.
lol Baltimore - the lefty plan for America.They're trying that out in Baltimore right now. The possibility of success seems sketchy but I don't live there so I don't much care.
OK, non-answers. It's all based on feelings. No surprise.
By that standard we should also overhaul laws against shoplifting, speeding, assault, burglary, etc. to just make those things legal.
In fact, why go halfway? Let's just abolish all laws and eliminate any need for future overhauls.