Securing our border

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michal1980

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The claim of millions of low skill, low wage, uneducated illegals is incorrect. All of those fit into a range of values, not just pegged at the bottom for all. A illegal who is a decent carpenter can make $15 - $20 an hour pretty easily. A drywall guy paid piecework can bust ass and earn $1000 in a week pretty consistently. Some work for far less of course.

The benefit is economic and is why, other than lip service, little has been done about illegal immigration. More workers bring more input into the economy. Government failures of collecting taxes and overspending/under-performing on services is the cause of many of the things people see and complain about and is mostly an unrelated problem.

To me, "benefits for Americans" translates to protections and handouts for those born on the right side so they don't have to put in as much effort to get what they feel entitled to.

Simply: Illegal Mexicans who work > thousands of fat tards who sit in trailers all day in Kentucky

way to be a bigot.

More workers = lower wages.

Maybe the Americans will pick fruits for 15 dollars an hour, but bigots like you think that Mexicans should do it for 5.

How about the unionized trade laborer that the left always claims they are standing up for? Are they supposed to now take a pay cut because you allowed a few million unskilled, no standards illegals into the country?

There is no benefit in this for Americans, the benefits are for those from other countries who happen to be close enough to sneak into the USA.
 

Humpy

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way to be a bigot.

More workers = lower wages.

Maybe the Americans will pick fruits for 15 dollars an hour, but bigots like you think that Mexicans should do it for 5.

How about the unionized trade laborer that the left always claims they are standing up for? Are they supposed to now take a pay cut because you allowed a few million unskilled, no standards illegals into the country?

There is no benefit in this for Americans, the benefits are for those from other countries who happen to be close enough to sneak into the USA.

OK
 

inachu

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There's no statute of limitations on hypocrisy.

Or stupidity.

Or historical ignorance.

Or being unable to count.

Seems South American is being europeanized.
Those latino TV shows they look so european!

I googled and found out that the Irish and Germans have been moving to
South America since the 1400's
 

hal2kilo

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Seems South American is being europeanized.
Those latino TV shows they look so european!

I googled and found out that the Irish and Germans have been moving to
South America since the 1400's

Thank the germans for Dos XX's.
 

Zaap

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This whole subject is like asking "How do I keep people from coming onto my lawn, camping out there, stealing whatever they want, raping my children if they want to play outside, burning shit on my lawn and doing whatever they want?

Secure my border? Yes! That must be the most effective way! Build a 60ft wall around my yard with razor wire on top and guard towers.

Anything but have effective "yes, we're actually serious about enforcing these" laws in place that are well known, strictly enforced and a deterrent to about 98% of the population no matter what country that population is from.

No way! Can't do that. That'll never work! Someone's political agenda says so! Now lets get back to gabbing about building a fucking wall... you know. Stuff thats ever gonna happen.
 

rudeguy

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Once again...democrats are the only ones talking about building a wall.

The straw man has been exposed and shot down. Give it a rest already.
 

Zaap

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Its hardly just the Dims.

Conservatives have fallen hook, line and sinker for the whole 'secure the border' shell game.

You don't need to secure jack shit... in any physical way, if you simply enforce no-shit, "nope, not looking the other way" laws for things a nation doesn't want to be overrun with.

Make the penalties and fines no-shit yes this is real yes we're actually serious about it enough against hiring illegal labor and... bam. You no longer have that huge a problem with people hiring illegal labor because its no longer worth the risk, the bad PR the loss of money/freedom to get busted doing it. No demand for illegal workforces? Far less reason for millions of people to sneak in. No illegal work, no free bennies and it's bye bye for many who'll simply leave.

But no, let's all get caught up in the ruse of the swatting a fly with a nuclear bomb approach brought-to-you by the very forces that want illegal labor and gab about physically "securing" the un-securable as of course solution #1.

The main difference is.. Dims know this will never happen because its retarded and they actually want all the illegals streaming in because they're dopes. Conservatives actually believe and push the fallacy there's ever going to be a such thing as a truly secured border ... and worse... that such an idea is the most logical step in curbing illegal immigration when it's as dumb as my yard example... just at a national scale.
 

michal1980

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Its hardly just the Dims.

Conservatives have fallen hook, line and sinker for the whole 'secure the border' shell game.

You don't need to secure jack shit... in any physical way, if you simply enforce no-shit, "nope, not looking the other way" laws for things a nation doesn't want to be overrun with.

Make the penalties and fines no-shit yes this is real yes we're actually serious about it enough against hiring illegal labor and... bam. You no longer have that huge a problem with people hiring illegal labor because its no longer worth the risk, the bad PR the loss of money/freedom to get busted doing it. No demand for illegal workforces? Far less reason for millions of people to sneak in. No illegal work, no free bennies and it's bye bye for many who'll simply leave.

But no, let's all get caught up in the ruse of the swatting a fly with a nuclear bomb approach brought-to-you by the very forces that want illegal labor and gab about physically "securing" the un-securable as of course solution #1.

The main difference is.. Dims know this will never happen because its retarded and they actually want all the illegals streaming in because they're dopes. Conservatives actually believe and push the fallacy there's ever going to be a such thing as a truly secured border ... and worse... that such an idea is the most logical step in curbing illegal immigration when it's as dumb as my yard example... just at a national scale.

so close to being right except you need to paint your party as somehow being better.


Dems are saying the min wage is too low, and that we need to legalize million of low skilled low educated workers at the same time.

Talk about a disconnect with reality.
 

UglyCasanova

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Given how well Trump is doing I can't help but think the idea of securing the border is resonating with a reasonably large portion of America so this thread might be worth revisiting. His fix of a double wall with moats and Mexico pays for it is stupid, because Trump is by and large, well...stupid. But not letting anyone who chooses to enter the country just because they want to simply makes sense.

Drones with thermal imaging and algorithms to pick out humans from coyotes seems easy enough and much more effective than a stupid wall. Saying that securing the border is impossible but free higher ed is possible to me smacks of cherry picking the feasibility of big ideas.
 
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A wall is very feasible and honestly I'm OK with it but I don't think it will solve many problems and I don't think Mexico would pay for it. Walls have always been defeated but if it ends the bickering and generates some jobs I'm game for trying it out.
 

MongGrel

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Given how well Trump is doing I can't help but think the idea of securing the border is resonating with a reasonably large portion of America so this thread might be worth revisiting. His fix of a double wall with moats and Mexico pays for it is stupid, because Trump is by and large, well...stupid. But not letting anyone who chooses to enter the country just because they want to simply makes sense.

Drones with thermal imaging and algorithms to pick out humans from coyotes seems easy enough and much more effective than a stupid wall. Saying that securing the border is impossible but free higher ed is possible to me smacks of cherry picking the feasibility of big ideas.

Nah.

 
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