Self Content Moderation

[Gurck]

It looks good on phosphors, but in practice it stinks imo. On another board I used to frequent which did this, a poll showed that better than 2 out or 3 posters disliked the system (this was years after inception, it wasn't simply initial distaste toward something new).

 

[lokiju]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
How bout just an "alert" feature where if enough people put an alert on a thread or a post, the mods can take a closer look at it?

I like this idea, kind of like on pic voting sites, a lot of them will have a option to report if its offensive or inappropriate, if there were some "flags" to thread post ratio, that could work very well.

 

[bjc112]

I say leave it how it is!

Hire more Mods.



<- Waiting for PM..

 

[Tiamat]

I dunno, I dont really read Slashdot because, for me, its really a burden to read through. The Forums here, especially the more technical ones, are very easy to browse through. Point and click etc. Also, when I am bored, I enjoy reading about other people's problems - sometimes I am able to bail them out - if their post isnt as popular as "I GOT 3.0GHZ ON AIR with my fx-57" Im worried that those who need help will get the shaft - their posts left unseen.

 

[xospec1alk]

Originally posted by: Tiamat
I dunno, I dont really read Slashdot because, for me, its really a burden to read through. The Forums here, especially the more technical ones, are very easy to browse through. Point and click etc. Also, when I am bored, I enjoy reading about other people's problems - sometimes I am able to bail them out - if their post isnt as popular as "I GOT 3.0GHZ ON AIR with my fx-57" Im worried that those who need help will get the shaft - their posts left unseen.

I agree.

but then again, i mite be getting the wrong idea about the original post. oh well.

 

[Arcanedeath]

Personaly I'm not a fan of rating systems for tech fourms, for off topic, P&N, ect.. might be a good idea but for General Hardware, Tech support, and some of the other sections that can tend to be less busy I really like the way they are and don't think they should be changed, and this is comming from somone who has been here since early '98 lurking until Jan of '00. AT Fourms should stay how they currently are unless we get a serious influx of people who don't contribuite useful informantion.

 

[Kibbo]

Originally posted by: Argo
How about if the thread gets low enough rating the OP automatically get electo-shocked?

My god,

You just gave dmcowen a reason to wear the tinfoil.

Edit: to give this post a purpose, I kinda like the ideas presented here. I'd probably surf at 0, but I'd love to see some of the stupider flame wars not pick up new followers.

 

[Brule]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
(snip...)

I'd like to vote this up.

:thumbsup: to VirtualLarry

I've been a member of /. for a long time (as many here are I assume) and went through the various "karma-whore" issues and "fixes". If a similar system is put in use here, may I suggest doing it with a light touch? Deviding the forums TechQs/OT-P&N/Deals-Trading for rating purposes would be great. There's enough ATI/Nvidia discussions going on to split posters, grouping that with the Iraq War and "Is this girl hot?" could be problematic.

There are some very good things that Slashdot has done or at least tries to do. First, voting should be focused on voting up good posts instead of voting down lesser ones. The way mod points are distributed heavily to active members, both posters and lurkers, is the most noteworthy /. way. Allowing new or mostly inactive members to have the same say as regulars would seriously hurt the community. (for instance I personally read the tech forums but don't post often and shouldn't have the same say as mechBgon in TS)

Overall the current system isn't bad. What are the few top reasons for this change and what forums in particular do you (as in admins) really feel require extra care?

 

[TheLonelyPhoenix]

Well, if the AT User Ratings were any indication, people are extremely quick to hit the lowest rating (whether or not the recieving party deserved it) and far less prone to rate something highly. I can't see this idea working too well. In the end, I think it would only make the AT forums look elitist and "stuck up".

Also, as was mentioned earlier, the posts that cover more unpopular topics would quickly get voted down, even if they had some good discussion in them or were valuable to a certain subset of AT members. The anime thread in OT is a good example.

I think the best thing to do would be to rearrange the forums and consolidate those that are getting flooded with useless posts... I don't even read the CPU, Motherboard, Cases or Video forums anymore because 90% of the threads just ask "Which of these is the best?" in different wording, or pose questions that should have gone in Technical Support. The Networking and Peripherals forums are heading down that road as well. Meanwhile, the programming community on AT doesn't really have a good forum to post in because its overrun with threads about World of Warcraft.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: Jason Clark
We're looking at various ways to improve the quality of posts here in the forums. We're looking at systems like SlashDot to accomplish this task. We've made the decision to modify the forum product for our own needs, so we can do anything we want.

Here are some ideas being tossed around:

1) The idea is that you can vote on a individual post which will affect the overall threads rating.

2) There will be a maximum and minimum vote that a message can have to avoid abuse, and if you post in the thread your votes would be removed as you can now effectively sway the rating of a thread by posting.

3) If you have posted to a thread you can't vote.

4) You could set a thresh hold setting that would dictate what you would see, the rest would be collasped (those below your thresh hold)


We're open to your feedback on what you think works and doesn't work with this type of system.

Cheers!

I offer a slight alteration to 2 and 3:
If you vote with a LOW score, then post in the thread, then your vote is eliminated. Posting in a thread is automatically a positive vote for that thread.

Then, there is an incentive not to bump bad threads. Rather than a post of R then a post of E then a post of P with all the quoting, the repost police can simply vote 0 instead of bumping the repost 6 times. BUT, as often happens in reposts, the original title is sometimes a little non-descript and a lot of people may miss it the first time around. Thus, if 20 people are interested in it, and 5 people are repost Nazis, the post lives.

Free ipod deal? Instead of 15 posts saying "ban the OP", the forums would end up with a thread with 10 zero votes and no bumps. (enough to drop the thread off the horizon)

Mathematical ball-park: votes are from -5 to 5. Replying in a thread garners a vote of 2 or 3. You could possibly tailor how much a reply is worth to the status of the poster - an elite member's reply in a thread is worth 5, etc. Any thread getting to -50 drops off the horizon. Thus, if 10 people post in a thread, it'll take about 15 votes of -5 to remove the thread. I suppose you could even tailor the maximum and minimum vote values based on status as well - Elite members votes are from -10 to 10, etc.

 

[ShadowBlade]

i think one good way to make people not post stupid stuff and save the mods a little work would be to make the list of mod's user names publically available so people know who not to piss off

 

[PatboyX]

Originally posted by: Tiamat
I dunno, I dont really read Slashdot because, for me, its really a burden to read through. The Forums here, especially the more technical ones, are very easy to browse through. Point and click etc. Also, when I am bored, I enjoy reading about other people's problems - sometimes I am able to bail them out - if their post isnt as popular as "I GOT 3.0GHZ ON AIR with my fx-57" Im worried that those who need help will get the shaft - their posts left unseen.

i agree.
i must admit that i tend to post stupid questions with simple answers. while i doubt my question about what type of fan to buy for my chipset would get a negative rating, it would probably not get a good rating. meaning that a question which could be answered in two or three posts over the course of a 10 minute span might suddenly not get answered for a week.
not that im so damn important, but the quick and helpful answers around here on things that actually matter (ie: not my constant P&N addiction) drew me to this forum to begin with.
speaking of P&N, i cant help but think voting would be abused. in a situation like that, i just dont think its fair for people to judge threads...in theory, it would help add to discussion but it seems in practice it would just end up as a united front against certain posters.
i could also see this as being a slight problem in OT.
there are a few users who, for whatever reason, are almost universally crapped on by a majority of users. it would be a shame if they were given the shaft.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: PatboyX

Originally posted by: Tiamat
I dunno, I dont really read Slashdot because, for me, its really a burden to read through. The Forums here, especially the more technical ones, are very easy to browse through. Point and click etc. Also, when I am bored, I enjoy reading about other people's problems - sometimes I am able to bail them out - if their post isnt as popular as "I GOT 3.0GHZ ON AIR with my fx-57" Im worried that those who need help will get the shaft - their posts left unseen.

i agree.
i must admit that i tend to post stupid questions with simple answers. while i doubt my question about what type of fan to buy for my chipset would get a negative rating, it would probably not get a good rating. meaning that a question which could be answered in two or three posts over the course of a 10 minute span might suddenly not get answered for a week.
not that im so damn important, but the quick and helpful answers around here on things that actually matter (ie: not my constant P&N addiction) drew me to this forum to begin with.
speaking of P&N, i cant help but think voting would be abused. in a situation like that, i just dont think its fair for people to judge threads...in theory, it would help add to discussion but it seems in practice it would just end up as a united front against certain posters.
i could also see this as being a slight problem in OT.
there are a few users who, for whatever reason, are almost universally crapped on by a majority of users. it would be a shame if they were given the shaft.

hence my suggestion that if they post in a thread, it's a automatically a positive vote. It's probably too late to save the few individuals who seem to have singled themselves out. However, it seems it would be a little harder to get a collective gathered specifically against one user. Don't like the user or the user's thread? Give it a low vote, and don't post in the thread. Who's going to know that you voted? I think that threads titles: "Hey, let's all vote 0 for syringer's thread" (not to pick on Syringer, but it seemed an appropriate example) would hopefully result in vacation time. Except for PM's, it'd be really difficult to mount an attack on a thread.

 

[Brule]

Originally posted by: ShadowBlade
i think one good way to make people not post stupid stuff and save the mods a little work would be to make the list of mod's user names publically available so people know who not to piss off

But that would eliminate the constant game of To Tell the Truth the mods play.

 

[Shimmishim]

hi

i've been a member for a while here and love the layout and feel of fusetalk compared to vbulletin (which most other forums use)...

and i'm sure this topic has been brought up many times before but will the ability to add pictures to a post be a future possibility?

i know that its possible due to the hot deals category and the pictures that the hot deals guy posts...

especially in the overclocking forum, it helps a lot to see settings and stuff posted w/o having to click on a link that takes you to another page.

is it issues with abuse that concerns you guys from using this option? lack of moderators?

just my thought. i think with pictures implemented, AT forums would be even better.

from what i've seen on other forums, the issue of abuse really hasn't been too much of a concern from what i could tell.

or any way of limiting the size and which categories get to post pictures? would that cut down on abuse possibilites? i dunno, i'm just thinking out loud.

 

[PatboyX]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: PatboyX

Originally posted by: Tiamat
I dunno, I dont really read Slashdot because, for me, its really a burden to read through. The Forums here, especially the more technical ones, are very easy to browse through. Point and click etc. Also, when I am bored, I enjoy reading about other people's problems - sometimes I am able to bail them out - if their post isnt as popular as "I GOT 3.0GHZ ON AIR with my fx-57" Im worried that those who need help will get the shaft - their posts left unseen.

i agree.
i must admit that i tend to post stupid questions with simple answers. while i doubt my question about what type of fan to buy for my chipset would get a negative rating, it would probably not get a good rating. meaning that a question which could be answered in two or three posts over the course of a 10 minute span might suddenly not get answered for a week.
not that im so damn important, but the quick and helpful answers around here on things that actually matter (ie: not my constant P&N addiction) drew me to this forum to begin with.
speaking of P&N, i cant help but think voting would be abused. in a situation like that, i just dont think its fair for people to judge threads...in theory, it would help add to discussion but it seems in practice it would just end up as a united front against certain posters.
i could also see this as being a slight problem in OT.
there are a few users who, for whatever reason, are almost universally crapped on by a majority of users. it would be a shame if they were given the shaft.

hence my suggestion that if they post in a thread, it's a automatically a positive vote. It's probably too late to save the few individuals who seem to have singled themselves out. However, it seems it would be a little harder to get a collective gathered specifically against one user. Don't like the user or the user's thread? Give it a low vote, and don't post in the thread. Who's going to know that you voted? I think that threads titles: "Hey, let's all vote 0 for syringer's thread" (not to pick on Syringer, but it seemed an appropriate example) would hopefully result in vacation time. Except for PM's, it'd be really difficult to mount an attack on a thread.

yeah, thats one of the names that popped into my head as well.
P&N is full of personal vendettas as well...so...there are tons of folks in there drooling over that sort of power.

 

[DrPizza]

Sure, give them that power. But, make it difficult to collectively get a group of people together to abuse that power.
A single individual can't abuse that power- it takes a team effort.
Getting the team effort together via posts in the thread removes that power.
And a simple rule of threads or posts that say "hey, everyone, vote 0 for this" earn a vacation - that's why mods would still be necessary. (as well as other reasons) but it would simplify the modding needed in the long run.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: PatboyX
P&N is full of personal vendettas as well...so...there are tons of folks in there drooling over that sort of power.

That's Politics for ya

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: PatboyX
P&N is full of personal vendettas as well...so...there are tons of folks in there drooling over that sort of power.

That's Politics for ya

Politics and idiots make strange (but appropriate) bedfellows.

 

[Wolfie]

Is there any possibility of just implementing this (Thread Voting) on one forum (like P&n or OT) for just a trial basis and to see how this could either work for the rest of the forums, or hurt the way these forums have worked for so long already.

I agree some kind of self moderation would help the forums. As I know there can't be a mod around 24/7. Even for a forum like this.

If we seem to be having problems with a particular member, could there be a way to report that user to a mod using a quick click abuse icon added to each post. Like adding a icon in with the online/users profile/PM/text icons in each post. This way, it would be sent to the moderator in either a pm or Email with the post in question, who is reporting the abuse and that way the mod can evaluate each notification individually? Instead of posting a thread here in FI or just pm'n a mod and hope he/she can find the post.

 

[tallest1]

Isn't this EXACTLY what Fatwallet has?

 

[allisolm]

Originally posted by: tallest1
Isn't this EXACTLY what Fatwallet has?

Seems like it. I pretty much ignore it altogether over there.

 

[kermalou]

Originally posted by: allisolm

Originally posted by: tallest1
Isn't this EXACTLY what Fatwallet has?

Seems like it. I pretty much ignore it altogether over there.

what she said !

 

[Sheepathon]

updates?

 

[fierydemise]

I gotta give this a down vote, I think it will end up being highly abused and do far more harm then good