Originally posted by: cubby1223
I just don't see how this is all that good for the Democrats except for the temporary headline "Republicans Suck" that will last maybe a week at max.
Originally posted by: Pens1566
Originally posted by: QuantumPion
Originally posted by: Pens1566
If I were a republican, I'd be less concerned with what democrats think of this and more worried about the 200k voters in PA that have jumped ship in the last year or so. Something tells me thats a bigger problem than you want to admit.
I'm pretty sure most of those were conservatives voting for Hillary against Obama in the primary ala the democrats doing the same for McCain in Florida.
That would depend on how PA's primary system works ... but I don't recall people switching party registration just to vote in the other's primary. It's usually a "pick one" and doesn't matter how you're registered. If thats the case, you'd be mistaken.
Originally posted by: tw1164
Originally posted by: Pens1566
Originally posted by: QuantumPion
Originally posted by: Pens1566
If I were a republican, I'd be less concerned with what democrats think of this and more worried about the 200k voters in PA that have jumped ship in the last year or so. Something tells me thats a bigger problem than you want to admit.
I'm pretty sure most of those were conservatives voting for Hillary against Obama in the primary ala the democrats doing the same for McCain in Florida.
That would depend on how PA's primary system works ... but I don't recall people switching party registration just to vote in the other's primary. It's usually a "pick one" and doesn't matter how you're registered. If thats the case, you'd be mistaken.
You can only vote for your registered party in the Primary.
Originally posted by: Aegeon
Uh, no.Originally posted by: Hacp
Wait, so you're telling me that in the 2010 election, the senator from Pennsylvania is either going to be a moderate Republican or a real Republican? It looks like the democrats got duped again!
Unless another Republican gets nominated, Pat Toomey doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of beating Specter in a general election with Specter running as a Democrat. For that matter, if someone other than Specter wins the Democratic nomination, the Democrat is extremely likely to beat Toomey in the general election. Right now Democrats can basically threaten to actually support someone else in the Democratic primary is Specter doesn't vote with the Democrats enough. (Due to Pennsylvania election rules, Specter doesn't have the option of running as a independant like Lieberman did if he loses the primary and is just of out office at the end of his term.)
Originally posted by: retrospooty
A week? Its been going at least 3 years... have you SEEN the alst 2 elections? Its still going strong with Obama's approval ratings through the roof and even the direction of the country polls going way up.
LOL
Originally posted by: bbdub333
Originally posted by: retrospooty
A week? Its been going at least 3 years... have you SEEN the alst 2 elections? Its still going strong with Obama's approval ratings through the roof and even the direction of the country polls going way up.
LOL
Meanwhile, back in Reality...
His 100 day approval rating is 63% That's 1% higher than Bush 2001, even with Carter, lower than Reagan, and Higher than Bush 1 and Clinton. So all in all, about average in historical context. He does have the second highest disapproval rating, right under Clinton, for what it's worth.
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: bbdub333
Originally posted by: retrospooty
A week? Its been going at least 3 years... have you SEEN the alst 2 elections? Its still going strong with Obama's approval ratings through the roof and even the direction of the country polls going way up.
LOL
Meanwhile, back in Reality...
His 100 day approval rating is 63% That's 1% higher than Bush 2001, even with Carter, lower than Reagan, and Higher than Bush 1 and Clinton. So all in all, about average in historical context. He does have the second highest disapproval rating, right under Clinton, for what it's worth.
Shh...facts and reality do not apply here!
Bash Bush or get out!
Also worth noting is that the divide between people who approve of Obama and the people who disapprove is the largest gap in history for a president. Bi-partisan indeed!
:laugh:
As I understand the rules, if you run in party primary you are outright disqualified from running under a different party ticket if you lose according to state election rules for that general election. Its a pretty deliberate rule along with closed primaries which effectively makes the parties in the state more powerful.Originally posted by: tw1164
Why wouldn't he be able to run as an independent? To get on the general election ballot I think you need to get 2% of the voters signatures from the latest state-wide election. It's very hard to get enough valid signatures though.
Originally posted by: bbdub333
Originally posted by: retrospooty
A week? Its been going at least 3 years... have you SEEN the alst 2 elections? Its still going strong with Obama's approval ratings through the roof and even the direction of the country polls going way up.
LOL
Meanwhile, back in Reality...
His 100 day approval rating is 63% That's 1% higher than Bush 2001, even with Carter, lower than Reagan, and Higher than Bush 1 and Clinton. So all in all, about average in historical context. He does have the second highest disapproval rating, right under Clinton, for what it's worth.
Since my election in 1980, as part of the Reagan Big Tent, the Republican Party has moved far to the right. Last year, more than 200,000 Republicans in Pennsylvania changed their registration to become Democrats. I now find my political philosophy more in line with Democrats than Republicans.
Originally posted by: kage69
Looking at his voting record I don't feel the term 'RINO' applies to him the way some "conservatives" wish it did. I see a lot of people trying to pretend this is no big deal, but their faux apathy is weak sauce indeed. The GOP lost it's way and it's sanity some time ago; it says a lot when a career politician (one who has toed the party line plenty) of his seniority says enough his enough and leaves. While I'm more than a little uneasy at the thought of one party dominating the landscape, I take some comfort in knowing at least it won't be the current batshit crazy iteration of the GOP. I see a lot of older generation repubs jumping ship, one way or another. Nominating another senile person and brain donor will accelerate this I should think.
Arlen cares about the legacy of his service, and refuses to be a part of the GOP lunacy that fuct this country in the @ss for the last 8 years. Can't blame him at all. LOL at the Collins and Snowe hate here - yeah that's it! Bash some of the few people who redeem your party and allow it to swim in the 21st century. I imagine it's that kind of thinking that got you guys in this pickle to begin with!
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Shh...facts and reality do not apply here!
Bash Bush or get out!
Also worth noting is that the divide between people who approve of Obama and the people who disapprove is the largest gap in history for a president. Bi-partisan indeed!
:laugh:
Originally posted by: kage69
Looking at his voting record I don't feel the term 'RINO' applies to him the way some "conservatives" wish it did. I see a lot of people trying to pretend this is no big deal, but their faux apathy is weak sauce indeed. The GOP lost it's way and it's sanity some time ago; it says a lot when a career politician (one who has toed the party line plenty) of his seniority says enough his enough and leaves. While I'm more than a little uneasy at the thought of one party dominating the landscape, I take some comfort in knowing at least it won't be the current batshit crazy iteration of the GOP. I see a lot of older generation repubs jumping ship, one way or another. Nominating another senile person and brain donor will accelerate this I should think.
Arlen cares about the legacy of his service, and refuses to be a part of the GOP lunacy that fuct this country in the @ss for the last 8 years. Can't blame him at all. LOL at the Collins and Snowe hate here - yeah that's it! Bash some of the few people who redeem your party and allow it to swim in the 21st century. I imagine it's that kind of thinking that got you guys in this pickle to begin with!
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
he was pretty much the only moderate left in the republican party.
Originally posted by: QuantumPion
good riddance.
I hope he takes McCain and Snowe with him on the way out.
Originally posted by: QuantumPion
Originally posted by: kage69
Looking at his voting record I don't feel the term 'RINO' applies to him the way some "conservatives" wish it did. I see a lot of people trying to pretend this is no big deal, but their faux apathy is weak sauce indeed. The GOP lost it's way and it's sanity some time ago; it says a lot when a career politician (one who has toed the party line plenty) of his seniority says enough his enough and leaves. While I'm more than a little uneasy at the thought of one party dominating the landscape, I take some comfort in knowing at least it won't be the current batshit crazy iteration of the GOP. I see a lot of older generation repubs jumping ship, one way or another. Nominating another senile person and brain donor will accelerate this I should think.
Arlen cares about the legacy of his service, and refuses to be a part of the GOP lunacy that fuct this country in the @ss for the last 8 years. Can't blame him at all. LOL at the Collins and Snowe hate here - yeah that's it! Bash some of the few people who redeem your party and allow it to swim in the 21st century. I imagine it's that kind of thinking that got you guys in this pickle to begin with!
I love it when Democrats say the Republicans are falling apart because we aren't being liberal enough.
Originally posted by: Budmantom
:thumbsup:Originally posted by: QuantumPion
good riddance.
I hope he takes McCain and Snowe with him on the way out.
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: QuantumPion
good riddance.
I hope he takes McCain and Snowe with him on the way out.
:thumbsup:
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: QuantumPion
good riddance.
I hope he takes McCain and Snowe with him on the way out.
:thumbsup:
Yup. Don't let the door hit ya.
Originally posted by: jonks
As to this "fact", I'm assuming it's based on Pew Research's finding that 88% of democrats approve of Obama's job performance while only 27% of Republicans approve. That might look divisive at first glance, until you recognize that only 21% of the country self-identifies as Republican. So for past presidents, when the Rep party actually had some moderates, the overall Rep approval numbers were higher. So any poll today that takes a look at Dems vs Reps, the Reps in question are the most hardline rightwingers in the country. Any self respecting republican has fled the party to become Independent, or worse, democrat! I know, facts are pesky little critters.
Originally posted by: bbdub333
Originally posted by: jonks
As to this "fact", I'm assuming it's based on Pew Research's finding that 88% of democrats approve of Obama's job performance while only 27% of Republicans approve. That might look divisive at first glance, until you recognize that only 21% of the country self-identifies as Republican. So for past presidents, when the Rep party actually had some moderates, the overall Rep approval numbers were higher. So any poll today that takes a look at Dems vs Reps, the Reps in question are the most hardline rightwingers in the country. Any self respecting republican has fled the party to become Independent, or worse, democrat! I know, facts are pesky little critters.
Yeah, facts do get in the way. Why don't you throw us some facts to back up your numbers there?
As a heads up, I already know how wrong your numbers are, so I can't wait to see what facts you will create to justify them.
And while you are at it, why don't you post the facts that show how intellectually dishonest your argument would be if those numbers *were* correct.
That poll showed that Obama had the most polarized poll results of any president in forty years with 88 percent of Democrats viewing his performance favorable and just 27 percent of Republicans agreeing.
The new Washington Post/ABC news poll has all sorts of intriguing numbers in it but when you are looking for clues as to where the two parties stand politically there is only one number to remember: 21.
That's the percent of people in the Post/ABC survey who identified themselves as Republicans, down from 25 percent in a late March poll and at the lowest ebb in this poll since the fall of 1983(!).
In that same poll, 35 percent self-identified as Democrats and 38 percent called them Independents.
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Even as a partisan democrat, I think all rumors of the death of the GOP are greatly exaggerated. In 1964 when Goldwater won, was somewhat a similar moment, four years later, Richard Nixon was taking the oath of office.
But the GOP had far more moderates then than it does now. And while many GOP politicians fought for the far right vote in 2008 and still fight now to be that voice of the right wing of the Republican party, but what is particularity missing in action are any young and dynamic GOP moderates.