senator ted kennedy dies

[eits]

rip ted

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Every death thread is the same. You get a bunch of kind statements, then a few people saying 'good riddance', and then a bunch of people desperately trying not to faint due to their outrage at someone who is dead being talked badly of. I wish everyone would just shut up about it. Talk all the trash you want about Ted Kennedy, I'll talk all the trash I want about Ronald Reagan's stupid, demented old ass, and Robert Novak's creepy vampire, old-man-running-over self.

I semi-agree. Personally, I'm not a huge fan of attacking the dead. There are a few graves I'd pay to piss on, but generally speaking, I'm passive in times like this. The only time I really speak up is when one twit is outraged that some other twit hasn't applied the same arbitrary standards to the worth of a man. As an extreme example, did Kennedy's "guard" in this thread mourn Timothy McVeigh? Who is officially in charge of deciding when it's "bad character" to speak ill of the dead? I'm not "happy" that TK is dead, but I sure as hell did a little dance while refreshing CNN during McVeigh's execution.

So where's the line? When the man's a terrorist? Rape? Manslaughter? Criminally negligent manslaughter? I need to know who's rules we're all supposed to abide by so our character isn't judged by the AT elite, and what, specifically, those rules are. Declaring someone morally bankrupt because they don't value a specific individual's life as much as you do is absurd. There's not a single person in this thread who wouldn't be delighted if Osama bin Laden was found dead right now. The point is, once you make one exception - an excuse for yourself, for instance - you're a hypocrite.

I really don't think that makes people hypocrites at all. There's just a line that everyone has where the crimes that someone committed in life outweigh the amount of respect and sadness that we all feel is deserved when someone dies. That's why it's okay to be happy for Osama to die, but not so okay to be happy for Farah Fawcett's death.

The thing is that everyone's line is different, and on here the line is often drawn for stupid reasons that are little more than 'hurr hurr he's a DemocRAT or a RePUGnican!' I think that some people genuinely do reserve some respect when they are dead and others do not, but considering the massive fagdance that each and every one of these threads creates, I would just as soon let everyone piss all over whoever they want rather then deal with the faux outrage.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: RedChief

You idiots asking for decency and all for Ted Kennedy are a bunch of fracking hypocrits. I garuentee you that if this had been Dick Cheney and not Ted Kennedy, you would be yelling hallelujah, the spawn of satan is dead.

At least, you understand a major difference between Ted Kennedy and Dick Cheney. Choose your metaphor for unadultrated evil, and Cheney is it. I don't wish him death, but I won't mourn his passing.

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

To the best of my knowledge, Novak never killed anyone, and his death thread is filled with some pretty hateful stuff.

The best of your knowledge may not be sufficient. Outing Valerie Plame destroyed her value to the CIA than as a covert operative. It also endangered the lives of every person with whom she interacted in every city of every foreign country where she worked. It doesn't matter whether the other person was involved with the CIA. Mere proximity would be enough to raise suspicions among governments and agencies who practiced unwarranted searches, arrests and torture long before the Bush administration engaged in such practices.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Every death thread is the same. You get a bunch of kind statements, then a few people saying 'good riddance', and then a bunch of people desperately trying not to faint due to their outrage at someone who is dead being talked badly of. I wish everyone would just shut up about it. Talk all the trash you want about Ted Kennedy, I'll talk all the trash I want about Ronald Reagan's stupid, demented old ass, and Robert Novak's creepy vampire, old-man-running-over self.

I semi-agree. Personally, I'm not a huge fan of attacking the dead. There are a few graves I'd pay to piss on, but generally speaking, I'm passive in times like this. The only time I really speak up is when one twit is outraged that some other twit hasn't applied the same arbitrary standards to the worth of a man. As an extreme example, did Kennedy's "guard" in this thread mourn Timothy McVeigh? Who is officially in charge of deciding when it's "bad character" to speak ill of the dead? I'm not "happy" that TK is dead, but I sure as hell did a little dance while refreshing CNN during McVeigh's execution.

So where's the line? When the man's a terrorist? Rape? Manslaughter? Criminally negligent manslaughter? I need to know who's rules we're all supposed to abide by so our character isn't judged by the AT elite, and what, specifically, those rules are. Declaring someone morally bankrupt because they don't value a specific individual's life as much as you do is absurd. There's not a single person in this thread who wouldn't be delighted if Osama bin Laden was found dead right now. The point is, once you make one exception - an excuse for yourself, for instance - you're a hypocrite.

I really don't think that makes people hypocrites at all. There's just a line that everyone has where the crimes that someone committed in life outweigh the amount of respect and sadness that we all feel is deserved when someone dies. That's why it's okay to be happy for Osama to die, but not so okay to be happy for Farah Fawcett's death.

The thing is that everyone's line is different, and on here the line is often drawn for stupid reasons that are little more than 'hurr hurr he's a DemocRAT or a RePUGnican!' I think that some people genuinely do reserve some respect when they are dead and others do not, but considering the massive fagdance that each and every one of these threads creates, I would just as soon let everyone piss all over whoever they want rather then deal with the faux outrage.

I don't give a flying fuck if he was a R or D. that really don't matter. both are filled with currupt lieing cheating assholes.

What i find disgusting about Tedy is he murdered that poor girl and used his political and family connections to get away with it. has he done good (and bad) for the US? sure. i do respect that the guy dovoted his life to what he thought was doing good for the U.S.

but does that make up for the murder of a young lady? not to me.

i respect the office he held but i have no respect for the man

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
[ ... ]
I think that some people genuinely do reserve some respect when they are dead and others do not, but considering the massive fagdance that each and every one of these threads creates, I would just as soon let everyone piss all over whoever they want rather then deal with the faux outrage.

I think it's fine to fell ambivalent about someone's death, or perhaps even some satisfaction. While I would not be "delighted" to learn OBL was dead, I would find it satisfying to know his days were done. There is a difference, however, between how one feels and how one acts. That is where character comes into play in my book. If you are happy somebody just died that's your business ... just keep it your business. Cheering about it in a thread where others are paying their respects shows a distinct lack of character.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: tk149
RIP

Although he's a shining example of why there should be term limits on Congressmen.

He should be the poster boy for term limits and people having to give up their senate seat when they are that near death.

Now the dems are going to use this as an excuse to pass all sorts of stuff.

"do it for Ted" BAH!

 

[lupi]

Just heard the burial will be at arlington, anyone know the details behind that?

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: eskimospy
[ ... ]
I think that some people genuinely do reserve some respect when they are dead and others do not, but considering the massive fagdance that each and every one of these threads creates, I would just as soon let everyone piss all over whoever they want rather then deal with the faux outrage.

I think it's fine to fell ambivalent about someone's death, or perhaps even some satisfaction. While I would not be "delighted" to learn OBL was dead, I would find it satisfying to know his days were done. There is a difference, however, between how one feels and how one acts. That is where character comes into play in my book. If you are happy somebody just died that's your business ... just keep it your business. Cheering about it in a thread where others are paying their respects shows a distinct lack of character.

You're parsing words when differentiating between "satisfaction" and "delight." Come on. In fact, there really isn't even room to parse:

to give great pleasure, satisfaction, or enjoyment to; please highly: The show delighted everyone.

If OBL died today, people would be talking about it tomorrow... and not in mournful terms. And God help the idiot who rushed to call into question the character of the masses who rejoiced in his demise. Who says people have to keep their business their business when they're indifferent or even satisfied/delighted by someone's passing? Any character distinctions you make from such expression is, again, arbitrary, and based only on your own emotions and rationale... not some universally accepted standard that others here have failed to meet.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Harvey

The best of your knowledge may not be sufficient. Outing Valerie Plame destroyed her value to the CIA than as a covert operative. It also endangered the lives of every person with whom she interacted in every city of every foreign country where she worked. It doesn't matter whether the other person was involved with the CIA. Mere proximity would be enough to raise suspicions among governments and agencies who practiced unwarranted searches, arrests and torture long before the Bush administration engaged in such practices.

Those folk knew full well the risks of playing with fire, the Lion of the Senate very likely killed and then covered up the murder of a woman, and at the very least he was found guilty of having a part in her death and lying repeatedly about it to save his career, all for a piece of ass.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: waggy

I don't give a flying fuck if he was a R or D. that really don't matter. both are filled with currupt lieing cheating assholes.

What i find disgusting about Tedy is he murdered that poor girl and used his political and family connections to get away with it. has he done good (and bad) for the US? sure. i do respect that the guy dovoted his life to what he thought was doing good for the U.S.

but does that make up for the murder of a young lady? not to me.

i respect the office he held but i have no respect for the man

Sounds great to me. I personally think Ted Kennedy did great things for all of us, but you're more than welcome to talk shit about him if you want. After quite a few of these threads I have found that the whining about respecting the dead and the inevitable flurry of accusations and counter-accusations has become far more annoying than whatever trash someone is likely to say about him.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: Harvey
For the good you did to help so many. :wine:

You mean holding people back from having to help themselves?

You mean keeping people from knowing what its like to have a better life than your parents, yet still hoping your childrens lives are better still?

You mean keeping people from knowing the rewards of blood, sweat, tears and hard work?

You mean keeping people from knowing that equality isn't bringing someone else down to your level, but pulling yourself up to someone elses?

Great Job Ted!!! :roll: :disgust:

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: waggy
I don't give a flying fuck if he was a R or D. that really don't matter. both are filled with currupt lieing cheating assholes.

What i find disgusting about Tedy is he murdered that poor girl and used his political and family connections to get away with it. has he done good (and bad) for the US? sure. i do respect that the guy dovoted his life to what he thought was doing good for the U.S.

but does that make up for the murder of a young lady? not to me.

i respect the office he held but i have no respect for the man

This is off topic, but that happened 40 years ago. Did you show similar contempt for GWB for his "youthful indiscretions," or is your forgiveness swayed by partisanship? I agree Chappaquiddick was shameful behavior. I also recognize it was a singular incident, and he paid a very real price for it.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
This is off topic, but that happened 40 years ago. Did you show similar contempt for GWB for his "youthful indiscretions," or is your forgiveness swayed by partisanship? I agree Chappaquiddick was shameful behavior. I also recognize it was a singular incident, and he paid a very real price for it.

Yep, all Senators should be given a pass for one dead secretary, now two or more should not be tolerated...

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: waggy

I don't give a flying fuck if he was a R or D. that really don't matter. both are filled with currupt lieing cheating assholes.

What i find disgusting about Tedy is he murdered that poor girl and used his political and family connections to get away with it. has he done good (and bad) for the US? sure. i do respect that the guy dovoted his life to what he thought was doing good for the U.S.

but does that make up for the murder of a young lady? not to me.

i respect the office he held but i have no respect for the man

Sounds great to me. I personally think Ted Kennedy did great things for all of us, but you're more than welcome to talk shit about him if you want. After quite a few of these threads I have found that the whining about respecting the dead and the inevitable flurry of accusations and counter-accusations has become far more annoying than whatever trash someone is likely to say about him.

For once, I have to agree with eskimospy. At least he is honest about what really happens in these types of threads. :thumbsup:

 

[Drako]

:beer::beer::beer::wine::wine::wine::wine::wine::wine:

hiccup

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: Harvey
For the good you did to help so many. :wine:

You mean holding people back from having to help themselves?

You mean keeping people from knowing what its like to have a better life than your parents, yet still hoping your childrens lives are better still?

You mean keeping people from knowing the rewards of blood, sweat, tears and hard work?

You mean keeping people from knowing that equality isn't bringing someone else down to your level, but pulling yourself up to someone elses?

Great Job Ted!!! :roll: :disgust:

Please prove any of that.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: waggy
I don't give a flying fuck if he was a R or D. that really don't matter. both are filled with currupt lieing cheating assholes.

What i find disgusting about Tedy is he murdered that poor girl and used his political and family connections to get away with it. has he done good (and bad) for the US? sure. i do respect that the guy dovoted his life to what he thought was doing good for the U.S.

but does that make up for the murder of a young lady? not to me.

i respect the office he held but i have no respect for the man

This is off topic, but that happened 40 years ago. Did you show similar contempt for GWB for his "youthful indiscretions," or is your forgiveness swayed by partisanship? I agree Chappaquiddick was shameful behavior. I also recognize it was a singular incident, and he paid a very real price for it.

actually i think GWB is going to go down as one of the most inept and worst Presidents in history.i really don't beleive the guy was the president. he seemed more of a puppet then president.

And far as i know GWB didn't kill anyone. he was a drugged out, alchoholic who used family influence to get out of the war.


yeah yeah i know some idiots are going to say he killed thousands with the Iraq war. and yes he is going to pay for those crimes when he dies.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: waggy
I don't give a flying fuck if he was a R or D. that really don't matter. both are filled with currupt lieing cheating assholes.

What i find disgusting about Tedy is he murdered that poor girl and used his political and family connections to get away with it. has he done good (and bad) for the US? sure. i do respect that the guy devoted his life to what he thought was doing good for the U.S.

but does that make up for the murder of a young lady? not to me.

i respect the office he held but i have no respect for the man

This is off topic, but that happened 40 years ago. Did you show similar contempt for GWB for his "youthful indiscretions," or is your forgiveness swayed by partisanship? I agree Chappaquiddick was shameful behavior. I also recognize it was a singular incident, and he paid a very real price for it.

where have i trashed him?

i am not going to sit and cry that the man is dead. i really don't give a shit.

I was responding to you saying people bashing him because of the R or D (you are right that people will though)

I respect the good the guy attempted to do. I'm just not going to canonize him and say what a good man he was because i would be lying.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: smashp
RIP

The Raw hatred in this thread makes me wonder why i Still visit this place

Happens on both sides.

Very true. Rest in Peace Mr. Kennedy.

If this was about dick cheney, I'd be on the other side of the fence, I can understand the rage and lack of sympathy.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: Harvey
For the good you did to help so many. :wine:

You mean holding people back from having to help themselves?

You mean keeping people from knowing what its like to have a better life than your parents, yet still hoping your childrens lives are better still?

You mean keeping people from knowing the rewards of blood, sweat, tears and hard work?

You mean keeping people from knowing that equality isn't bringing someone else down to your level, but pulling yourself up to someone elses?

Great Job Ted!!! :roll: :disgust:

Please prove any of that.

Prove the good he did to help so many.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: Harvey
For the good you did to help so many. :wine:

You mean holding people back from having to help themselves?

You mean keeping people from knowing what its like to have a better life than your parents, yet still hoping your childrens lives are better still?

You mean keeping people from knowing the rewards of blood, sweat, tears and hard work?

You mean keeping people from knowing that equality isn't bringing someone else down to your level, but pulling yourself up to someone elses?

Great Job Ted!!! :roll: :disgust:

Yes, Ted Kennedy worked tirelessly to prevent you from having a better life than your parents.

That's not at all a stupid thing to say.

 

[ccbadd]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
He will finally be reunited with Mary Jo Kopechne!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_incident

RIP I guess.

I don't think he will be seeing her unless she went to HELL also.

RIH (rot in hell)

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: Harvey
For the good you did to help so many. :wine:

You mean holding people back from having to help themselves?

You mean keeping people from knowing what its like to have a better life than your parents, yet still hoping your childrens lives are better still?

You mean keeping people from knowing the rewards of blood, sweat, tears and hard work?

You mean keeping people from knowing that equality isn't bringing someone else down to your level, but pulling yourself up to someone elses?

Great Job Ted!!! :roll: :disgust:

He apparently prevented you from learning critical thinking.

Ted was a better man then any Republican in the last 100 years. Maybe this would be a good time to tear down all the Reagen shit that was put up when that worthless POS died and replace with Kennedy stuff.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: Harvey
For the good you did to help so many. :wine:

You mean holding people back from having to help themselves?

You mean keeping people from knowing what its like to have a better life than your parents, yet still hoping your childrens lives are better still?

You mean keeping people from knowing the rewards of blood, sweat, tears and hard work?

You mean keeping people from knowing that equality isn't bringing someone else down to your level, but pulling yourself up to someone elses?

Great Job Ted!!! :roll: :disgust:

Please prove any of that.

Prove the good he did to help so many.

Beyond Camelot: His shining moments endure

Bill by bill, provision by provision, he expanded government health support to millions of children and the elderly, helped millions more go to college, opened the immigration doors to millions of new Americans from continents other than Europe, and protected the civil rights bulwark of the ?60s through a long period of conservative domination.

Wiki

Kennedy played a major role in passing many laws that have affected the lives of all Americans, including the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, the National Cancer Act of 1971, the Federal Election Campaign Act Amendments of 1974, the COBRA Act of 1985, the Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act of 1986, the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990, the Ryan White AIDS Care Act in 1990, the Civil Rights Act of 1991, the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996, the Mental Health Parity Act in 1996 and 2008, the State Children's Health Insurance Program in 1997, the No Child Left Behind Act in 2002, and the Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act in 2009. During the 2000s, he was a leader of several unsuccessful efforts at immigration reform. Over decades in office, Kennedy's major legislative goal had been enactment of universal health care, which he continued to work toward during the Obama administration.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: waggy
I don't give a flying fuck if he was a R or D. that really don't matter. both are filled with currupt lieing cheating assholes.

What i find disgusting about Tedy is he murdered that poor girl and used his political and family connections to get away with it. has he done good (and bad) for the US? sure. i do respect that the guy dovoted his life to what he thought was doing good for the U.S.

but does that make up for the murder of a young lady? not to me.

i respect the office he held but i have no respect for the man

This is off topic, but that happened 40 years ago. Did you show similar contempt for GWB for his "youthful indiscretions," or is your forgiveness swayed by partisanship? I agree Chappaquiddick was shameful behavior. I also recognize it was a singular incident, and he paid a very real price for it.

actually i think GWB is going to go down as one of the most inept and worst Presidents in history.i really don't beleive the guy was the president. he seemed more of a puppet then president.

And far as i know GWB didn't kill anyone. he was a drugged out, alchoholic who used family influence to get out of the war.


yeah yeah i know some idiots are going to say he killed thousands with the Iraq war. and yes he is going to pay for those crimes when he dies.

Fair enough. No, I wasn't talking about Iraq in this context.