Shimmering issue fixed for 7800GTX

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: KeepItRed

Originally posted by: Rollo
Experiences thus far:

UT2004: Torlan level, 16X12 all on highest, 4X MS TAA 8X AF High Quality. Can not find the shimmer anymore. I used to be able to see it in places in this level, now I can't.

Good fix for nV..but didn't you say you couldn't see them anyway BEFORE the patch?

Originally posted by: Rollo
1. The "horrible shimmering" is barely noticeable when you look for it.

Didn't you contradict yourself by saying I couldn't see it then posting a quote of me saying it's barely noticeable?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Very nice of your friend. Very cool that NV seems to be hearing their customers and acting on it.

As for the question above, I believe the 80 series drivers, when they are done, are said to have optimizations for dual core cpu rigs offering slightly better ( no definition for better at this time ) performance. That is all I know and have no other info.

You know more than me, as I don't have a dual core, I haven't looked into it!

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: aggressor
Interesting. I'd also like to see the fps hit, and I'd also like to see some of the bigger websites (like this one) post follow up benchmarks and compare them to older ones to see how much of a performance boost the "bug" actually gave, and if nvidia planned this to give the 7800GTX a performance boost at launch.

I'll ask them if they mind if I post benches, but I can tell you this: based on what I've seen for fps at UT2004 tonight, I don't know if they affected fps at all.

I'd put it up for you, but I don't want to overstep my bounds. I'm just a guy that knows someone nice enough to give me some info now and again because he knows I live this stuff. They might want your benches on this to come from guys like Anand, Kyle, etc..

At UT2004 anyway, it's safe to say that "30% perfomance hit" rumor is a lie.

 

[MBrown]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Very nice of your friend. Very cool that NV seems to be hearing their customers and acting on it.

As for the question above, I believe the 80 series drivers, when they are done, are said to have optimizations for dual core cpu rigs offering slightly better ( no definition for better at this time ) performance. That is all I know and have no other info.

Do you mean better than single core systems in single threaded apps and games?

 

[Matt2]

:thumbsup: for Nvidia. I wonder what the ATI fanboys are gonna say about G70 now?

"Gosh, stupid Nvidia, 2 fps decrease just to fix the shimmering problem, idiots."

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: MBrown

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Very nice of your friend. Very cool that NV seems to be hearing their customers and acting on it.

As for the question above, I believe the 80 series drivers, when they are done, are said to have optimizations for dual core cpu rigs offering slightly better ( no definition for better at this time ) performance. That is all I know and have no other info.

Do you mean better than single core systems in single threaded apps and games?

Yes. A few people were talking about it in the CPU forum and pointed to some press releases or white papers or something like that.

Single threaded games, on dual core systems, with Nvidia hardware ( not sure if it requires not only a GeForce video card, but NForce chipset as well.) and 80 series driver.
Like I said, it's all I have seen on this so far. I guess we will know more pretty soon.

 

[nRollo]

Benchmarks added for the skeptics.

 

[Polish3d]

When are 80. drivers expected to arrive?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Frackal
When are 80. drivers expected to arrive?

If you're asking me, I don't know. Sorry.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Probably when ATi shows up with their new gen.

Along with the ultra version of the 7800 series.

 

[5150Joker]

Ah good news, hook me up Rollo!

 

[M0RPH]

So you're saying the shimmering is gone in HQ mode, right? What about the default mode (Quality)? That's the one that is always used in reviews and if there was any performance loss with these drivers, I would expect to see it more in Quality mode. HQ mode is already significantly slower, as far as I know. X800 doesn't shimmer in it's default quality mode and 7800 shouldn't either.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: M0RPH
I'll believe it when I hear it from a reputable source and it's been tested & verified. Thanks.

 

[fliguy84]

great news, as I notice some shimmering in CS:S

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Driver tricks and shortcuts are nice as long as you can't tell a difference in IQ (people make a big deal out of so called "cheats" but I don't care as long as I can't tell). If the fix works without a drop in performance that is even better.

The only thing else we'll have to confirm is if other users don't notice the shimmering any more. Others have made it a bigger deal than it deserves (ATI fans), and others have played it down yet are quick to post the good news (nV fans). As long as it is fixed for most if not all, that is a good thing.

 

[Ackmed]

Does this alleged fix work if the drivers are set to any setting, or just HQ?

 

[McArra]

I think we all know Rollo by now, and he deserves credit for this one, I'm sure he's right.
I would also like to see if Quality setting also solved this problem, but the most noticeable bug is the one with shadows in some games, blocky shadows. Hope the correct it soon.

Also to all ATi fanboys... don't try to make Rollo seem like a liar, he can be an Nvidia fanboy in some situations but he doesn't lie.

 

[Creig]

Good news for Nv owners.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Ah good news, hook me up Rollo!

Sorry, no can do. It will be out soon though, I don't get things until they're very near completion.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: M0RPH
So you're saying the shimmering is gone in HQ mode, right? What about the default mode (Quality)? That's the one that is always used in reviews and if there was any performance loss with these drivers, I would expect to see it more in Quality mode. HQ mode is already significantly slower, as far as I know. X800 doesn't shimmer in it's default quality mode and 7800 shouldn't either.

In 2/3 of the HL2 benchmarks it was not any slower. In my UT2004 with the counter on, it didn't look any slower.

The High Quality mode turns all optomizations off, I'd guess it's still there in Quality.

 

[gsellis]

Thanks Rollo. Looks like a winner at 16x12 High. Same speed as the older drivers and theoretically, the drivers you have may be heavy with debug code. So production could be a speed gain too.

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: Matt2
:thumbsup: for Nvidia. I wonder what the ATI fanboys are gonna say about G70 now?

"Gosh, stupid Nvidia, 2 fps decrease just to fix the shimmering problem, idiots."

What are you talking about? You are comparing Quality to High to get a decrease. High to High is not difference.

Please stay on topic.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: gsellis

Originally posted by: Matt2
:thumbsup: for Nvidia. I wonder what the ATI fanboys are gonna say about G70 now?

"Gosh, stupid Nvidia, 2 fps decrease just to fix the shimmering problem, idiots."

What are you talking about? You are comparing Quality to High to get a decrease. High to High is not difference.

Please stay on topic.

Matt2s heart is in the right place. He just saying, probably accurately, that there are some who now that they can't complain about about the shimmering will complain about any reduction in framerate, no matter how small. Some people are going to flame nVidia no matter what.

Those people could use a better hobby, because all nVidia has ever done is bring us the first or second best hardware to game on. (and usually first)

 

[nRollo]

Shimmering fixed videos

ChrisRay over at nVNews has posted videos that illustrate this fix at work, as I've noted, I'm sure there will be more to come.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: gsellis

Originally posted by: Matt2
:thumbsup: for Nvidia. I wonder what the ATI fanboys are gonna say about G70 now?

"Gosh, stupid Nvidia, 2 fps decrease just to fix the shimmering problem, idiots."

What are you talking about? You are comparing Quality to High to get a decrease. High to High is not difference.

Please stay on topic.

Matt2s heart is in the right place. He just saying, probably accurately, that there are some who now that they can't complain about about the shimmering will complain about any reduction in framerate, no matter how small. Some people are going to flame nVidia no matter what.

Those people could use a better hobby, because all nVidia has ever done is bring us the first or second best hardware to game on. (and usually first)

QFT! Suprised the troll has not came in this thread to defend ATI when it isn't even being attacked. What will these forums be without the Geforce 5XXX series mentioned every day?

Thanks for these tests rollo, I am glad to have the shimmering problem fixed. Even though it did not bother me that much, it was a bit anoying, just because it happened. But now that we have a fix, woot! Anyway, thanks for taking the time to test this driver out.