Shimmering issue fixed for 7800GTX

[BFG10K]

Well it is most definatly NOT existent on my NV40

Quality = shimmer.
High quality = no shimmer.

 

[Keysplayr]

:beer: for you.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Well it is most definatly NOT existent on my NV40

Quality = shimmer.
High quality = no shimmer.

Is this what happens when you set your X800XL to these settings? Why are you here?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Well it is most definatly NOT existent on my NV40

Quality = shimmer.
High quality = no shimmer.

Is this what happens when you set your X800XL to these settings? Why are you here?

BFG is apparently impressed with ChrisRays videos and my benchmarks. He's posted support of this fix in this thread and another now.

I think he's trying to say that in his opinion, having to set the the slider to High Q to remove the shimmer in some games is a fair trade for the fps the optomizations give in games that the shimmer is less noticeable.

I honestly don't think he means to troll here, I think he's showing support.

 

[Shamrock]

Rollo,

Did it also fix the bug about the application profiles using "global" all the time?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Shamrock
Rollo,

Did it also fix the bug about the application profiles using "global" all the time?

Yep, that's in there as well. I've heard that's in one you can download now actually, although I forget which.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Todd33
Rollo being the Nvidia fluff boy is less than an unbiased source, maybe Anand will do some test.

It's a shame you couldn't contribute more to the thread than juvenile name calling.

I am the first person on the internet to post something about a fix that concerns many, and all you can do is bleat out a childish flame. Do you still wet the bed as well?

But the only image quality comparison you provided is the link to ChrisRay's videos, and the shimmering is still there. So all you are contributing is missinformation at this point and this thread doesn't have any value unless the issue is ever acutally resolved.

Rollo, I don't know if these folks appreciate what you tried to do here or not. If they do, they have a funny way of showing it. If I were you, I'd think twice before posting any info you get ahead of time in this forum. Quite frankly, I knew the ATI fans would wittle your information down to missinformation as snowman has made a career out of. I don't think any of them deserve to know info like this. Accept Ackmed. Even though he is a die hard ATI advocate, he actually bought the damn 7800GTX. So, just my 2 cents. Actually, now that I think about it, the only reason an ATI fan/user would even consider entering this thread would be to sh!t on it somehow. I mean, why would you enter this thread if your not affected by a shimmering 7800? I would like to purchase one, so I have an interest in it.

Its like a covert war man. They start off all innocent like. Ask benine questions about what you found, then things slowly morph as they see loopholes in your findings. If one frikkin molecule of information that you give them shows that it may not work, then it obviously and totally does not work. Then the name slinging and accusations of missinformation start flying. Nobody can remain civil for very long, and for most of them, being civil is just a way to get you to open up and give them something to season your ass to chew on. Garbage.

What is with this dillusional fanboy crap again? I'm interested in the effect this "fix" might have might have on the shimmering I get with my 6800gt and future nVidia cards I might buy. Obviously you don't care about the image quality of your hardware, but some of us do and this thread is supposed to be about that.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
What is with this dillusional fanboy crap again? I'm interested in the effect this "fix" might have might have on the shimmering I get with my 6800gt and future nVidia cards I might buy. Obviously you don't care about the image quality of your hardware, but some of us do and this thread is supposed to be about that.

Nah. You just want to flame as usual.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Well it is most definatly NOT existent on my NV40

Quality = shimmer.
High quality = no shimmer.

Is this what happens when you set your X800XL to these settings? Why are you here?

BFG is apparently impressed with ChrisRays videos and my benchmarks. He's posted support of this fix in this thread and another now.

I think he's trying to say that in his opinion, having to set the the slider to High Q to remove the shimmer in some games is a fair trade for the fps the optomizations give in games that the shimmer is less noticeable.

I honestly don't think he means to troll here, I think he's showing support.

I apologize BFG. Not used to you trying to help.

 

[BFG10K]

Is this what happens when you set your X800XL to these settings?

Not at all, quality/high quality are nVidia settings, not ATi.

Quality (with all optimizations on) is supposed to trade IQ for performance so it does shimmer in some situations. The problem here was that high quality was also shimmering when it shouldn't have, but this appears to be fixed now though.

 

[unlockedshaders]

is this problem in forceware 77.79 x64?

 

[kylebisme]

Did you not see the vid BFG? It looks better but it is still shimmering so it clearly isn't fixed.

And no Rollo, I don't want to flame, I wanted good news about the filtering issue like your thread title promised. Yet instead of image quality comparisons all I got was benchmarks, and then way down the thread a link to some videos that show the issue isn't fixed. I'm not trying to insight flame war, I'd just like a little clarification on how much has really been fixed. Is that too much to ask?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Did you not see the vid BFG? It looks better but it is still shimmering so it clearly isn't fixed.

And no Rollo, I don't want to flame, I wanted good news about the filtering issue like your thread title promised. Yet instead of image quality comparisons all I got was benchmarks, and then way down the thread a link to some videos that show the issue isn't fixed. I'm not trying to insight flame war, I'd just like a little clarification on how much has really been fixed. Is that too much to ask?

Actually it was. I wanted to be the first person in the world to post about this, and get you the news as soon as possible.

I also had to watch my son that night because my wife had a meeting to organize the upcoming Sunday school year, and I had to go check out a winter storage facility for my boat.

I didn't have time to put together a nice presentation like Chris with some FRAPs videos. As it was, I spent every free moment of that evening either playing games with the new drivers looking for shimmer, benchmarking, and switching drivers back and forth.
If you feel people would have liked to be kept in the dark longer rather than know, I guess we disagree. (I didn't know nVNews would report on this the next day)
If you feel the amount of effort I put into bringing this news to you was insufficient, PM me for my consulting rate and we can discuss the number of hours you'd like me to put into this project.

Like I said, I went looking for the shimmer, couldn't find it. All I found was some color shift in some grass at one area of BF2, which I reported. I'm not trying to deceive anyone, I played three games and ran around looking for shimmer, didn't find it. This was in levels and places in them where I had before.

Obviously even by your own admission the problem has improved, and our benchmarks show without loss of framerate. As nVidia has told me these drivers are a work in progress, and BFG tells us this exists to some extent on his ATI card as well, I think the only people who can really complain about this are people who want to complain.

There are tradeoffs to make with all cards. Needing to switch to High Quality to take out 95% of the shimmer seems a small one compared to no EXR HDR, no SM3, no stellar fps at high res/aa/af, no displacement mapping, no soft stencil shadows, no FEAR at decent levels. These things will never exist on an ATI R4XX card. I won't even go into the driver issues.

I think when you weigh it all, this complaining about the shimmer is pretty much a joke.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Shamrock
Rollo,

Did it also fix the bug about the application profiles using "global" all the time?

Yep, that's in there as well. I've heard that's in one you can download now actually, although I forget which.

78.01's fix this issue. Available at Guru3d.

 

[BFG10K]

and BFG tells us this exists to some extent on his ATI card as well,

No, what I said was it exists on the 6800U with quality and so I'd expect the same for the 7800 with quality.

It looks better but it is still shimmering so it clearly isn't fixed.

Sure but I'm fairly confident the work in progress drivers will eventually resolve it (at least I hope so). Given the NV40 doesn't shimmer on high quality and the performance difference between quality and high quality is not that big, I wouldn't really expect the 7800 to be any different.

 

[blckgrffn]

Hurray for this

Shimmering is very annoying... I think that it shouldn't be present in quality mode, either. It is so obvious that optimisations of that degree need to be relegated to High Performance IMHO.

Thanks Rollo for the effort! :beer:

I am not playing much right now (fear demo over and over as it was the only game installed locally to my raptor when I changed over to my current build) so as long as drivers come out soon to fix this a little bit better, my actual gaming experience won't be tainted. Gotta love college... gaming goodness in just about a week

 

[Keysplayr]

Here is a little more info from an INQ article this morning.

linque

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

So its "fixed" only in HQ?

The nature of quality is that it's supposed to trade some IQ for performance. The most important thing is to get the shimmering fixed for high quality because that's were it shouldn't be.

I dont think it should be in any setting with the name "Quality". How is shimmering quality? Its not.

I dont care if its in the two lower settings, as I never use them. But I do use Quality instead of High Quality from time to time. But since shimmering is very evident in Quality, it makes that option not even a choice for me, depending on the game.

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

If NV really fixes this bug to 90% so that only the trolls will still be complainin then iam satisfied and would like to thank everyone who raise his voice and made NV fix it that fast.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Did you not see the vid BFG? It looks better but it is still shimmering so it clearly isn't fixed.

And no Rollo, I don't want to flame, I wanted good news about the filtering issue like your thread title promised. Yet instead of image quality comparisons all I got was benchmarks, and then way down the thread a link to some videos that show the issue isn't fixed. I'm not trying to insight flame war, I'd just like a little clarification on how much has really been fixed. Is that too much to ask?

Actually it was. I wanted to be the first person in the world to post about this, and get you the news as soon as possible.

And that would be a noble cause if your news was truh, but "Shimmering issue fixed" simply isn't the case.

Originally posted by: RolloI also had to watch my son that night because my wife had a meeting to organize the upcoming Sunday school year, and I had to go check out a winter storage facility for my boat.
I didn't have time to put together a nice presentation like Chris with some FRAPs videos. As it was, I spent every free moment of that evening either playing games with the new drivers looking for shimmer, benchmarking, and switching drivers back and forth.
If you feel people would have liked to be kept in the dark longer rather than know, I guess we disagree. (I didn't know nVNews would report on this the next day)
If you feel the amount of effort I put into bringing this news to you was insufficient, PM me for my consulting rate and we can discuss the number of hours you'd like me to put into this project.

It isn't a matter of how much time you put into it, but when reporting a fix for image quality the obvious first point of consideration is image quality, not benchmarks. I'm glad that you complelled to report a fix as soon as you can, but all the same I am dissapointed that you jumped the gun here as the problem is clearly not fixed.

Originally posted by: RolloLike I said, I went looking for the shimmer, couldn't find it. All I found was some color shift in some grass at one area of BF2, which I reported. I'm not trying to deceive anyone, I played three games and ran around looking for shimmer, didn't find it. This was in levels and places in them where I had before.

You didn't really notice an issue with the shimmering before these new drivers either though, eh? I'd think that if you did you would know the most noticeable spot it turns up in the games you play and be able quickly check that instead of running around searching for something that never looked out of place to you before.

Originally posted by: RolloObviously even by your own admission the problem has improved, and our benchmarks show without loss of framerate. As nVidia has told me these drivers are a work in progress, and BFG tells us this exists to some extent on his ATI card as well, I think the only people who can really complain about this are people who want to complain.

Yes I noted that it improved a few times when I was asking you if it brought things up on par with the nv4x cards or made it better then those, and if it made it better than the nv4x cards as well. I'd really like to know if my 6800gt is going to get any better AF out of these new drivers, but I suppose I am asking the wrong person.

Originally posted by: RolloThere are tradeoffs to make with all cards. Needing to switch to High Quality to take out 95% of the shimmer seems a small one compared to no EXR HDR, no SM3, no stellar fps at high res/aa/af, no displacement mapping, no soft stencil shadows, no FEAR at decent levels. These things will never exist on an ATI R4XX card. I won't even go into the driver issues.

I think when you weigh it all, this complaining about the shimmer is pretty much a joke.

Obviously that is how you see it, but some of us actually aprecate quality texture filtering more than trying to prop up the strengths of one companies hardware while downplaying their faults and their compitition. I want your "shimmering issue fixed" claim to be true and I am sure many others do as well, but that just makes it all the more dissapointing to find you were just having a joke on us.

 

[Keysplayr]

Why don't you just follow your own suggestion. Just wait for the beta driver to be available, and try it yourself. If it doesn't do anything for ya, then come back here and start a thread about how much Nvidia hurt your feelings.

 

[nRollo]

What a waste of space Snowman.

I never said the fix was a joke, and I never said I couldn't see the shimmer before. I did say I didn't notice it till I looked for it, but I posted that I could see it in some places when I did. And I went back to those places and found it gone. So I went looking in more places.

The only "conspiracy" here is you trying exaggerate the impact of this issue and minimize the repair of the bug in the drivers.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Why don't you just follow your own suggestion. Just wait for the beta driver to be available, and try it yourself. If it doesn't do anything for ya, then come back here and start a thread about how much Nvidia hurt your feelings.

LOL

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Why don't you just follow your own suggestion. Just wait for the beta driver to be available, and try it yourself. If it doesn't do anything for ya, then come back here and start a thread about how much Nvidia hurt your feelings.

I have never started a thread about anything of the sort I don't see it happening any time soon either, so you might as well drop your fantasies about that. And I'm defenatly down for checking out any drivers that might help the shimmering problem, but as for now Rollo is the man with the info so I am sorry if this hurts your feelings in some way but Im still interested in hearing the details of what he knows.

Originally posted by: Rollo
The only "conspiracy" here is you trying exaggerate the impact of this issue and minimize the repair of the bug in the drivers.

Please, Rollo, I am not doing anything of the sort. I would love to hear that new drivers reduce the shimmering issue on the 7800gtx below what we currently get on nv4x cards with current drives. Can you give me a straight answer on that or not?

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Please, Rollo, I am not doing anything of the sort. I would love to hear that new drivers reduce the shimmering issue on the 7800gtx below what we currently get on nv4x cards with current drives. Can you give me a straight answer on that or not?

I find that not to be correct. You implied all sorts of things with this.

And that would be a noble cause if your news was truh, but "Shimmering issue fixed" simply isn't the case.

Rollo has nevered lied about any fix that I have ever seen, but you imply that he is deliberately misleading us. I suggest that you consider your words carefully as your intent and your verbage may not be on the same lines. As I am not an nVidia fanboy, I am replying because anything Rollo says, you seem not to believe.

For the record, Rollo has annoyed me too with his bias. But, it is his bias and not mine, so what do I care. Flamebaiting, now that is a different story and I will complain.

But I like Rollo, when he is not talking about ATI