Should I get PIII or Cel??

[Rocksnow]

I would like to upgrade one of my systems, which is a BX/Cel 333 @ 416/ATI RadeonAIW. This system mainly for MS office/web surfing/casual gaming. And I have a hard time choosing either PIII 700mhz or Cel 800mhz. What is the difference in performance, overclock ability..etc.
Any input will be appreciate.

thx

 

[BooBooCat]

From what I hear the AMD chips are the way to go. You get a lot more speed for your money. If your trying to get away with not buying a new motherboard I would research the benchmarks from anandtech articles for these cpus. I would think the 800mhz chip is faster but I remember reading the cache on the celerons is crippled.

 

[Dark4ng3l]

The o3 is faster and will o/c more anyways. Most 700's made it to 933MHz(was a realy hot chip for o/c ing before socket a chips made an aperance 1 year ago)

 

[rickn]

He didn't ask if AMD was the way to go. I would go with a P3 700mhz (as long as it is cB0 or cC0 stepping, you should easily go over 900mhz)

 

[tyski]

my guess is that the cache on the p3 will help it out perform the celeron and its rather small/crippled cache even if the p3 is clocked just slightly lower

 

[XzeroR3]

If your definetly going Intel.. go with the P3. They are getting cheap enough and have enough cache to be a decent performer.

I have a celeron 533@953 and its still pretty limited by its small cache.

 

[mithrandir2001]

What you want, rocksnow, is a Celeron II FC-PGA 533MHz with cB0 stepping. The current Celerons on the market have cC0 stepping, but the older cB0 ones may still be around, especially on the used market. Why cB0? Because many older BX boards like yours (and mine) do not support the split plane voltage requirements of the cC0 chip. If you cannot find a cB0 Celeron, you CAN use a cC0 chip, but will need to use a special PPGA-to-FCPGA converter (PowerLeap sells one for $25).

And why a "slow" 533MHz part? Well, all Celeron IIs are based on .18u technology, so they can clock up to 1GHz, if not more. The 533MHz CPU has a 8x multiplier and a 66MHz bus. Bump the bus up to 100MHz and you'll have a 800MHz system (very few 533s fail to overclock to 800). Just make sure: (a) you have PC100 memory, not PC66 (b) your motherboard can support 1.7V, which is probably what you'll need to run the FC-PGA 533@800 (the 533 runs at 1.5V per spec).

A Celeron II 533@800 will probably match the performance of a PIII 700 (sometimes faster, sometimes slower) AND will cost much less.

 

[Modus]

Since you already have the BX board, you should at least try to get a newer Intel chip in there before you do a complete upgrade and go AMD. Your best choice is between the P3/750E (same price as the 700) and the slightly cheaper Celeron 800, both of which work on a 100 MHz FSB. I'm assuming your BX board is a Slot 1, so you'll need a newer Socket 370 -> Slot 1 adapter card that supports Coppermine cores, and you'll probably need a BIOS update to get it to recognize and initialize the chip correctly. (Not all BX board makers have provided this.)

Modus

 

[Rocksnow]

rickn is right, AMD is not my consideration in this case. Becasue I don't want to get a new mobo. Since I can't find any benchmarks from anandtech articles for these cpus, I don't know if PIII worth the extra $50(I know PIII should be faster, but Cel have extra 100mhz). Do anyone have 3Dmark scores with those CPUs w/ Radeon?

edit: hmm..mithrandir2001 and Modus are fast man. BTW, I have a Iwill Socket 370 -> Slot 1 adapter, so the voltage should be fine. And I am sure my modo will support up to PIII/Cel 800Mhz. and according the pricewatch, PIII 750 cost $95 and Cel 800 cost $65. Since this will be the final upgrade for this BX box(I have a 2 other systems). Is PIII worth the $ diff?

Thx

 

[Helznicht]

Yes, the P3 is worth the extra money.


My P3 750 with a GF1(sdr) outperforms my friends Celery 850 with a GF2MX(sdr). Both are on ABIT BX MBs. You will not feel a difference in office/surfing, but the games should run BETTAR!

 

[Athlon4all]

Yeah, despite all of the price drops this week according to Anand's Price Guide still, PIII is the way to go if you go Intel.

 

[smp]

I think that Mithrandir is on the money. Overclocking is fun anyways and you'll get the most for your money. If you don't want to go the celeron 533 route (which is what I would do) then I would suggest PIII as well. Of course, take a look at these auctions. Or you can take a look here. Anyways, check e6ay for celeron 533's if those links break, and you can always email the seller and ask what the numbers are on the chip so that you can know what stepping it is. Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

 

[damocles]

I say go with the P3 700/750. My 700 does 933 with ease at default voltage.

The P3 is nipper than the celeron and i think you would get a lot more performance from a P3 in the 900 MHz range than any celeron

 

[Skoalboy]

Ok lets see.


Celeron 800 FC-PGA (100)$66 or Duron 800MHz $39 /Duron 900MHz $67


Pentium III - 750Mhz (100)$102 or Athlon TBird 750MHz $56/Athlon Thunderbird 1.1GHz (200Mhz)$102

Unless your really a Intel freak go with AMD, to big of a price diffrence

 

[pjs]

A major down side to the Athlon cpu is that it will not work on a motherboard that takes a Celeron/PIII. So the remarks about Athlon being the way to go are totally useless in this context. If a new motherboard were being purchased, then the Athlon recommendation would have some merit.

I agree with those who say that the PIII is the way to go instead of the Celeron, unless money is a major issue.

Paul

 

[smp]

HE CAN'T GET A NEW MOTHERBOARD!!! I like AMD too, but I ain't gonna push it like I'm a Jehova's witness.

 

[damocles]

Well said smp

 

[Mem]

I agree with the guys here that say go with the P3-700.

 

[Pikachu]

Make sure that slotket you have does support new coppermines. I have a feeling yours doesn't. Why not get a $45.00 C600 and OC it to 900MHz? It should do that with your stock fan and PC100 memory. Not sure if you'll be able to OC the PIII or C800 with the memory you have.

Here's some Celeron VS PIII VS Duron benchmarks for gaming. I don't think a $45.00, 900MHz Celeron will disappoint!

Edit: More Benchmarks. Note the PIII 700 and Celeron 850 both get 111FPS in the demo. So, spend $50.00 more, for what?

 

[Wingznut]

P3. There's a significant difference between the Celeron and P3, even if the P3 is giving up some mhz. It's even noticable when multitasking during "normal" usage.

If you do decide that you want to overclock, get a cpu from Compuwiz. Steve sells guaranteed overclocked cpu's and he's a great guy.

 

[lastig21]

A Celeron 2 typically has to run about 150 - 200mhz faster than a p3 to obtain the same performance. I would highly recomend the p3 700 because of its overclocking potential. I'm not sure if it is still available, but maxcom was selling a slot 1 p3 700 with a golden orb that would clock to 933 at default voltage. It was a really good deal if still available.

 

[Doctorweir]

Lastig21 is right with this estimation. My Celly 566A@850 equals the performance of an P3 700. My Celly can go higher, but if you plan to overclock, the P3 700 has more performance reserves than the C2 800...