Should I get Win 7 ?

Aiden2k13

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Hi, so my new PC will be arriving with a few days via courier and I am hyped for it. So, few months back , I bought Win 10 and I was using it but too much useless internet activity , and I heard that MS can see everything that we do ? Really ?
So, as I also have Win 8 , I was looking forward to install it but as MS discontinued their support on Win 8 , I thought of going for Win 7. Should I get Win 7 Ultimate and use that ?
I mainly game and some time to time rendering.
Will I get any low performance in gaming on Win 7 ?

Which windows are u all still using ?
 

Mem

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W7 is perfection made into an OS.


Oh please carry on dreaming, its just a rehash of Win95, 98 ,XP, Vista and old OS on its last legs.

No such thing as perfect OS and I say that as a Linux fan as well and ex-Win7 user.

Personally stick with Win10, better security, more features, longer life span etc...Internet activity should be a minimum on 10, unless it's downloading updates, check drivers etc...

You really have nothing to worry about.

You can use a third party program to fine tune your privacy settings https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10


Just remember both Win7 and 8 also have tracking data.
 
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ArisVer

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...its just a rehash of Win95, 98 ,XP, Vista and old OS on its last legs.

This is how I understand every next release by any OS. And I just keep wondering why all the "I love 7 but not 8 (example)" sticks to people minds. Of course there are some drawbacks with every new release but usually the benefits of a newer version outweigh the drawbacks.
 

Ketchup

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The Windows 10 spying is just people getting all hyped up over nothing. Have a smartphone with free apps? They do more spying than Windows will ever do.

Worried about 8 losing support (in 2023) but wanting to buy 7 (losing support in 2020)? That seems a little silly to me. If you already had Windows 7, I would say that's an ok choice. But not if you have to buy it.
 

Charlie98

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Considering what you are doing with your PC, just stick with W10. There are ways to defeat some of the MS snooping (just poke around in some of the threads here.) If all you are doing is gaming and browsing... who cares? And, as far as that goes, MS has 'updated' W7/8 with some of the telemetry features... so those OS's aren't totally 'safe' now, either.

I agree with Ketchup... W7 will be cut off in 2020, why bother at this point?
 

Mem

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8 is losing support right now, that's what OP is talking about. They might be confused and think that includes 8.1, or they might not know that 8.1 is a free upgrade from 8.

People saying "why bother" buying 7 because it's discontinued in 2020, think about what you are saying. That's four years away. Some other software is only licensed for four years or less to begin with, and people still buy it. There might be some good reasons not to choose 7 at the moment, but acting like it's 2020 discontinuation is one of them is stupidity. If someone really preferred Windows 7, then it would be easily worth the cost for four years of use.



I'm not sure "more features" is accurate. For every new feature Windows 10 has added, it's stripped out something that existed in 7. It comes down to which feature set better suits the user. As for "better security", people throw that around a lot as a sort of hand-waving argument, never elaborating. I don't doubt that Windows 10 has some improvements to security, but it's not like 7/8 are terribly insecure either.


Win10 has far more features then 7, only Aero and WMC I can think of in Win7 and are somethings I don't miss.

Win10 comes with built in AV, PDF reader, can unzip files, Recovery and Reset, DX12 important for gaming,Microsoft Store,Cortana,snap assist,Edge browser(FF user myself however), Win+X short cut menu( one of my favourites from 8).

I could say its free to 7/8 users and that in itself makes it great value for money over any previous Microsoft OS since pre DOS days.

Just some of things off top of my head.

Has to security improvements in 10 try "Google", I'm not doing all your homework for you.

Feature wise Win7 has nothing much over XP and we all know how old that OS is and 7 is more of a sideways upgrade over Vista SP2.
 
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John Connor

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I would get Win 7. Win 8 is a damn App and 10 can suck it with their privacy crap. I looked at 10 in the store and it it's a remade 8. Bottom line, suxx.
 

mikeymikec

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Oh please carry on dreaming, its just a rehash of Win95, 98 ,XP, Vista and old OS on its last legs.

If you think Win7 is "Win9x rehashed", then you seriously need to educate yourself on the history of Windows.

Come on Mem, I know you like to try "the latest and greatest" and cheerlead it, and I'm mostly fine with that, but please let the facts have some basis in your argument. I think you can do better than this. If it's just hyperbole, then please drop it, it doesn't have a place in a technical discussion.

And before you maybe think that I'm "playing sides" in my criticisms, I too thought that DigDog's comment about Win7 being perfection is certainly easy to criticise, but I honestly didn't think it was worth the time.

The Windows 10 spying is just people getting all hyped up over nothing.

I don't know; AFAIK, before Win10, MS's privacy policy was along the lines of "we want a few bits through the customer experience improvement program (CEIP)" which is opt-out, but I wasn't aware of it grabbing anything for an overall purpose that I would consider to be private information (e.g. if MS asked me whether I use the Start menu much or jump lists or desktop icons etc, I wouldn't regard that to be a privacy issue). The tune has changed somewhat with Win10; from the specific points I've heard so far, they're all opt-out. If that's the case, then while I don't appreciate that MS have moved the goalposts a bit, I appreciate that at least the options are documented and in a UI and I can opt out of them, then it's not enough to make me think about jumping ship.

I understand that if one uses an MS account to log in to Windows then a whole load more info can be tracked as you're requesting it from MS's servers and I'm fine with that since I can easily avoid using an MS account on a Windows machine.

If it turned out that while there's one set of options that you can opt out of but a whole slew of privacy-invading options that you can't (or can only registry-hack) get out of of, that would be a different kettle of fish, and I would have a problem with that.

So right now Win10 worries me a bit because I don't know whether we've gotten to the bottom of this particular can of worms.
 
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Puffnstuff

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You know if you don't like a particular product then don't use it. The world is full of choices so use what you feel best meets your individual needs. This forum is supposed to stimulate positive interaction between the members and allow us to share differing opinions with one another without the need to resort to childish behavior such as personal attacks and name calling.
 

Mem

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If you think Win7 is "Win9x rehashed", then you seriously need to educate yourself on the history of Windows.

Come on Mem, I know you like to try "the latest and greatest" and cheerlead it, and I'm mostly fine with that, but please let the facts have some basis in your argument. I think you can do better than this. If it's just hyperbole, then please drop it, it doesn't have a place in a technical discussion.

And before you maybe think that I'm "playing sides" in my criticisms, I too thought that DigDog's comment about Win7 being perfection is certainly easy to criticise, but I honestly didn't think it was worth the time.



I don't know; AFAIK, before Win10, MS's privacy policy was along the lines of "we want a few bits through the customer experience improvement program (CEIP)" which is opt-out, but I wasn't aware of it grabbing anything for an overall purpose that I would consider to be private information (e.g. if MS asked me whether I use the Start menu much or jump lists or desktop icons etc, I wouldn't regard that to be a privacy issue). The tune has changed somewhat with Win10; from the specific points I've heard so far, they're all opt-out. If that's the case, then while I don't appreciate that MS have moved the goalposts a bit, I appreciate that at least the options are documented and in a UI and I can opt out of them, then it's not enough to make me think about jumping ship.

I understand that if one uses an MS account to log in to Windows then a whole load more info can be tracked as you're requesting it from MS's servers and I'm fine with that since I can easily avoid using an MS account on a Windows machine.

If it turned out that while there's one set of options that you can opt out of but a whole slew of privacy-invading options that you can't (or can only registry-hack) get out of of, that would be a different kettle of fish, and I would have a problem with that.

So right now Win10 worries me a bit because I don't know whether we've gotten to the bottom of this particular can of worms.


Mikeymikec: There was nothing special about Win7, it was not a bad OS but then I can say that about several Windows and Linux distros.

When I say rehash I meant it followed same layout more or less as previous Windows and offered really nothing special over say Vista SP2 unless you want to count slight speed increase and less UAC nagging, sideways upgrade over Vista SP2 if you ignore the unwarranted FUD about Vista back then.

Win8 and Win10 actually offered something new then just another rehash of desktop PC OS IMHO.

My point being for a new PC I still think Win10 is a better choice, already stated why ie better security, more features, far longer life span.
Win7 is already over six years old and coming to the last four years of its life, Win10 on the other hand is virtually brand new, software and games companies will be concentrating on Win10 as their main OS for now and the near future.

The privacy thing has been overblown, all Windows have tracking data, you won't get NSA come knocking at your door taking you to jail.
If some people are that paranoid, plenty of free third party software options that reduce the privacy data on 10.


I could start a whole new topic and say if Aiden2K13 wants to use Win7 and does not game then maybe even Linux would be a good option depending on his software needs and user skill level, however he states he mainly games so Win10 for gaming and DX12 makes more sense then Win7.

I forgot to say has a PC gamer myself for many decades Win10 has been fine, one of the only reasons I still use Windows over Linux.

Remember the head topic " Should I get Win 7 ? " , think I've covered it and kept on topic.
 
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mikeymikec

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Mikeymikec: There was nothing special about Win7, it was not a bad OS but then I can say that about several Windows and Linux distros.

When I say rehash I meant it followed same layout more or less as previous Windows and offered really nothing special over say Vista SP2 unless you want to count slight speed increase and less UAC nagging, sideways upgrade over Vista SP2 if you ignore the unwarranted FUD about Vista back then.

If Win7 only offered a "slight" speed increase over Vista, I couldn't and wouldn't have offered a lot of customers Windows upgrades to Win7 back in that day; the upgrades weren't cheap and it resulted in a lot of happy customers who could see the very obvious performance difference (mostly in the boot-up and settle-down time). For a lot of machines it made a massive difference. Even on a modern machine with a HDD and is otherwise easily equipped to handle either OS, I bet Win7 would still cold-boot and settle down on it probably a minute quicker than Vista.

Having said that, my wife prefers Vista (the UI really) on her desktop (Sandy Bridge era); if she generally puts it in sleep mode rather than shutting it down, it's as responsive as any modern Win7 PC. That's not really a practical approach for a laptop though, is it.

Win8 and Win10 actually offered something new then just another rehash of desktop PC OS IMHO.
A desktop PC OS has to do a particular job. Its user interface system involves a screen, a keyboard and either a mouse or a touchpad. That's why there's a lot of UI similarities between platforms, including Win8 and Win10, various Linux operating environments/window managers and OS X. Win8x took a beating because its designers ignored the vast majority of their users' needs. The designers of Win10 backpedaled to some extent and came up with something that's a cross between Win7 and Win8x.

I'm failing to see where the extra value is in adopting Win8x or 10 purely from a UI perspective, or what is particularly "new" here.

My point being for a new PC I still think Win10 is a better choice, already stated why ie better security, more features, far longer life span.
Win7 is already over six years old and coming to the last four years of its life, Win10 on the other hand is virtually brand new, software and games companies will be concentrating on Win10 as their main OS for now and the near future.
The "longer life span" and subsequent third party support is the only point here that I think has any significant value; IMHO if I were to build a new machine for a customer and put Win7 on it, it would be incredibly short-sighted. As for extra security, I would suggest that anyone check the vulnerability lists for Win7, 8x and 10. Admittedly I haven't checked them myself yet (I had on a few occasions with Win8x), but I would be very surprised if Win10 has significantly less vulnerabilities than its predecessors, I bet it is receiving just as many patches via Windows Update, and for the same problems as its predecessors, so while I appreciate incremental security improvements, I think it's somewhat blinkered/optimistic to push security as a big reason to adopt Win10.

As for features, I find it somewhat laughable when I look at the steps backwards that the camera photo import system has taken; Win8x doesn't even include an option for deleting camera photos after importing! Win10 thankfully includes that option (which IMO was a total deal breaker), yet it apparently doesn't include the option to specify the folder it should import the photos to. WinXP's photo import system managed this job perfectly well. Vista's and Win7's import system is OK as well.

The two control panels in Windows 10 are also an amusing work-in-progress, but admittedly Microsoft has been fudging the Control Panel overhaul for ten years (since and including Vista), so perhaps expecting them to finally pick a direction was a tad optimistic.
 
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Charlie98

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People saying "why bother" buying 7 because it's discontinued in 2020, think about what you are saying. That's four years away.

You will note that I'm still running W7 on my own 3 machines (and the other 3 I immediately support.) In fact, I dropped W8.1 on my game rig and loaded my last copy of W7 on it, even though I didn't think W8.1 was that bad (with certain modifications.) I wasn't aware that you were still able to upgrade W8 to W8.1... I figured MS took that away from you now that W10 is in your face.

In the OP's case, I don't see how spending the money on a piece of software that will only be supported for 4 more years and that has already been compromised by MS updates (unless you go in and diddle with it)makes just a whole lot of sense given that he already has a W8 license. If the W8>8.1 upgrade is available, that's what I would recommend.
 

escrow4

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Nobody has mentioned you can download Win 10 with the media creation tool - the latest 1511 build - onto a USB, install it, and use your 8 key to activate it. 7 is an old dog, 8/8.1 have been replaced by 10. There is no reason not to use 10. At all in this situation.
 

Mem

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I personally ran 7 the longest of any OS and I'd rather use 10 with classic shell.


My Linux distros has any of my Windows OS beat for longest period, they have superior Start menus(not an issue for me however) and better layout then any Windows OS, my Win7 went way of the "Dodo" quite a few years ago, don't miss it one bit.

Shame Linux does not have gaming support like Windows has, oh well no OS is perfect .
 
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