I don't think the dems should be using this line of argument right now. If the filibuster is pulled, we are all very fucked with the current shitshow in congress.
I don't think the dems should be using this line of argument right now. If the filibuster is pulled, we are all very fucked with the current shitshow in congress.They aren't. Mitch McConnell could pass a spending bill with 50+1 any time he wishes.
Trump wins again. Democrat traitors give GOP everything they want in exchange for promises they already know are meaningless.
Mitch already drops the 60 vote rule when ever he find it convenient. In this case, he decided more was to be gained by shutting down the government.I don't think the dems should be using this line of argument right now. If the filibuster is pulled, we are all very fucked with the current shitshow in congress.
You know McConnell isn't going to keep this promise. Will be interesting to see what happens next. And even if he does, the House will never hear it, so what's the point?Looks like a compromise has been reached. Ds saying they'll vote yes.
In addition to DACA votes on ACA stabilization appear to have been (again) promised to secure Collins + a couple Ds. Timing is the real question now. If McConnell fucks everybody he made deals with over again all bets will be off in Feb when the CR runs out.
You know, that does bother me. The minority party should have the power to bring forth some items to vote on too.
He dropped it for the USSC, and used reconciliation a couple of time. My understanding is reconciliation can't be used here.Mitch already drops the 60 vote rule when ever he find it convenient. In this case, he decided more was to be gained by shutting down the government.
You know McConnell isn't going to keep this promise. Will be interesting to see what happens next. And even if he does, the House will never hear it, so what's the point?
As usual with shutdowns I don't think anybody really won.
It's one of the more dysfunctional aspects of our government in recent years and unlike most of the #bothsides nonsense this really is something both parties have done.
I am 100% in favor of, if a bill is voted down, the opposition immediately has the option and authority to hold a vote on a counter proposal.
Looks like a compromise has been reached. Ds saying they'll vote yes.
In addition to DACA votes on ACA stabilization appear to have been (again) promised to secure Collins + a couple Ds. Timing is the real question now. If McConnell fucks everybody he made deals with over again all bets will be off in Feb when the CR runs out.
Yeah, the Majority of the Majority crap needs to die.It's one of the more dysfunctional aspects of our government in recent years and unlike most of the #bothsides nonsense this really is something both parties have done.
It's one of the more dysfunctional aspects of our government in recent years and unlike most of the #bothsides nonsense this really is something both parties have done.
until the next scandal.
There were a shit-ton of bipartisan bills from the House that Reid obstructed....and you say this was all part of the GOP's obstructionist strategy? What color is the sky in your world?Bothsiderism doesn't look good on anybody. The GOP attempted to gum up the works of the Senate with an endless stream of bills that had no hope of passage during Reid's leadership. It was part of their obstructionist strategy. Reid rightfully refused to advance them.
Neither McConnell nor Ryan can prevent defections when it comes to an actual vote on legislation that enjoys bipartisan support so they simply prevent a vote from occurring.
Yeah, the Majority of the Majority crap needs to die.
There were a shit-ton of bipartisan bills from the House that Reid obstructed....and you say this was all part of the GOPs obstructionist strategy? What color is the sky in your world?
Neither McConnell nor Ryan can prevent defections when it comes to an actual vote on legislation that enjoys bipartisan support so they simply prevent a vote from occurring.
There were a shit-ton of bipartisan bills from the House that Reid obstructed....and you say this was all part of the GOPs obstructionist strategy? What color is the sky in your world?
As usual with shutdowns I don't think anybody really won.
Lots of substantive bipartisan jobs bills were obstructed by Reid at a time when unemployment was very high. He's a scumbag politician who obstructed at every turn...even going to the point of abandoning regular order and disallowing amendments to bills. (Note: When taking power, Republicans immediately reinstated regular order). There is no doubt Republicans obstructed on some issues...especially ACA. But, in addition to hundreds of bipartisan bills, there where even 24 substantive bills from the House solely sponsored by Democrats, that Reid obstructed as well. Reid was a complete and utter scumbag imo and did irreparable harm to this country during his tenure as Senate majority leader.That's an exceedingly generous view in favor of Republicans. The vast majority of the 'bipartisan' bills passed by the House were on uncontroversial issues that were eventually passed by the Senate anyway. There were very few bipartisan bills of substance that Reid blocked, primarily because there were very few bills of substance that the House would pass that could attract any Democratic votes.
So yes, both parties have on occasion done this and it's a bad thing. The idea that there were a 'shit ton' of these that Reid blocked is a partisan fantasy though.
Their principles are evil? How so?If you obstruct obstruction, isn’t that obstruction? It’s not the definition I see as the issue. I’m not really interested in the color of the sky so much as the potential deflection that may be the real intention. I don’t see any sky color that says that republicans are the true masters and applies of obstruction. All for the good of course. You have to save the majority from deviant opinions. America is only for white people. White supremacy and anything that furthers and advantages whites is good. Conservatives are far more morally dedicated and faithful to their principles than liberals. Too bad their principles are also evil. The conservative tide sweeping the country is one that flushes toilets.
White supremisists now control 4 branches of government and government by the people is dead.
Swing states matter more whether you like it or not.so people from california arent real americans?