Shutdown over?

[hal2kilo]

Regarding dreamers, something I saw that I think sums it up nicely.

If your parents sneak you and themselves into Disney Land, when Disney Land finds out and kicks all of you out of the park, is it Disney Land's fault or your parents fault for the child getting kicked out?

You also suck at analogies. Something you don't suck at?

 

[BlueWeasel]

My grandfather was comfortable on 1100k a year.

I too could be comfortable on $1.1 million a year.

 

[SlowSpyder]

You also suck at analogies. Something you don't suck at?

I'm sure you'll explain why this analogy doesn't apply. Or just do the typical leftist AT P&N move and throw a one liner out that doesn't address the subject hoping other leftists will join the bandwagon... but never will the subject actually be broached.

 

[IronWing]

I may or may not be awful, but that doesn't change the fact that there is logic you simply don't like but cannot dispute there. But by all means, avoid the argument and just label me as you see fit.

I will. You're an awful person. Your "logic" is nothing but hackery.

 

[zinfamous]

I too could be comfortable on $1.1 million a year.

I noticed that, too. I had just assumed he was revealing the real entitlements he felt he deserved, and that it wasn't just a typo.

 

[fskimospy]

Regarding dreamers, something I saw that I think sums it up nicely.

If your parents sneak you and themselves into Disney Land, when Disney Land finds out and kicks all of you out of the park, is it Disney Land's fault or your parents fault for the child getting kicked out?

This is a stupid argument. Who is to 'blame' is entirely irrelevant at this point, we should be focusing on what the best policy is moving forward. Making policy based on whether or not someone's parents are perceived to have blame several decades back is a child's way of understanding the world.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Aww, Republicans now care about worker safety and benefits. Touching.

Like the Democrats do. Humorous.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Yet you've been making the same arguments that the Nazis made before you: Blame the lessers, blame the others. No need to sac up and adapt when convenient scapegoats are just around the corner, right?

You get that, right?

As for immigrants undercutting highly skilled laborers like masons and plumbers and electricians and such, you complain about shoddy work and lack of regulations. Lack of insured work. But hey--that's the grand holy market economy coming to your rescue, right? The theory dictates that these folks will lose out to the truly skilled professionals when their shoddy work leads to unclaimable insurance requests. Trust the market, right?

You are smarter than Godwin's law. The whole argument against undocumented labor is that is undermines wages, which is why most trade unions tend to find themselves aligned with conservatives when it comes to immigration reform.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Regarding dreamers, something I saw that I think sums it up nicely.

If your parents sneak you and themselves into Disney Land, when Disney Land finds out and kicks all of you out of the park, is it Disney Land's fault or your parents fault for the child getting kicked out?

If Disney throws them in the lake to drowned it is Disney fault.

 

[Starbuck1975]

So wheres the employer reprecussions?

You need to start with the employers, as that will be more effective than any wall. I wish the federal government would start by penalizing employers. Of course affluent blue staters would lose their collective sh!t if they had to pay fair market prices for their landscapers, housecleaners, produce pickers and hand car washes.

 

[ewdotson]

I'm sure you'll explain why this analogy doesn't apply. Or just do the typical leftist AT P&N move and throw a one liner out that doesn't address the subject hoping other leftists will join the bandwagon... but never will the subject actually be broached.

Because your analogy doesn't involve the kids spending twenty years in Disney Land, unable to even remember a time in their lives when they weren't Disney-icans?

 

[Starbuck1975]

I don't know about you, but I've had a pretty awful time dealing with entitled contractors who end up doing a piss-poor job. I'm usually a pretty calm and collected person, but I nearly lost my cool when I pointed out some mudding compound on the window to the head contractor. Why? Because his response was to start telling me how to take it off! I have literally not dealt with a single contractor yet that I'd be willing to bring back.

I am not talking about Bob the handyman. Sounds like a good opportunity to watch some youtube videos!

 

[SMOGZINN]

You are smarter than Godwin's law. The whole argument against undocumented labor is that is undermines wages, which is why most trade unions tend to find themselves aligned with conservatives when it comes to immigration reform.

The problem is that the argument is a sham. There is a hundred things pushing blue collar wages down and illegal immigration is such a small factor that is hardly matters at all. The Republicans work on breaking unions, killing worker protections, and deregulation of industry has 1000x more effect on lowering wages than immigration, legal or otherwise.

It also occurs to me that the easiest way to stop illegal immigration is to make it easier to immigrate legally. People only immigrate illegally because we have made it so difficult and expensive to do it the right way. But I hear almost nothing from Republicans about that.

 

[ch33zw1z]

You need to start with the employers, as that will be more effective than any wall. I wish the federal government would start by penalizing employers. Of course affluent blue staters would lose their collective sh!t if they had to pay fair market prices for their landscapers, housecleaners, produce pickers and hand car washes.

Lol, yeah the affluent blue staters losing their shit....that's the problem.

Not the Conservatives, no siree, they've already lost it.

Oh, btw, markets will adjust. If the price is too high...then move to the next one. Or are you simply implying illegal immgrants do superior work in blue states because red states dont have the funds, you know....a get what you pay for scenario.

At least we won't have to hear all the red staters whining, they can just move to the blue states and work hard for their living. More peeps of the federal aid program also, win win.

 

[IronWing]

Of course affluent blue staters would lose their collective sh!t if they had to pay fair market prices for their landscapers, housecleaners, produce pickers and hand car washes.

Yawn

 

[hal2kilo]

Yawn

He's such an expert on us.

 

[SlowSpyder]

If Disney throws them in the lake to drowned it is Disney fault.

I too am against drowning illegal immigrants.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Because your analogy doesn't involve the kids spending twenty years in Disney Land, unable to even remember a time in their lives when they weren't Disney-icans?

So Disney would be obligated to keep them because they have been there illegally so long without a ticket? That sounds retarded to me to be honest.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Yawn

If you're tired, I can make you a coffee

 

[Starbuck1975]

He's such an expert on us.

You are my reference point

 

[Aikouka]

I am not talking about Bob the handyman. Sounds like a good opportunity to watch some youtube videos!

Due to the incompetence that I've seen in a few different areas, I've been teaching myself a lot about electrical, construction, etc. Going back to my kitchen renovation, it was a bit amusing when the contractor came in prior to putting up the drywall. I had done the insulation and such, which also included installing a new header to allow me to run a horizontal vent for the stove. I poured a lot of effort into making sure that thing was correct. I read the tables in the IBC that define how your header should be constructed (straight down to the type of wood), and also did research on things like proper plywood orientation (apparently, yes... that is a thing). So, when I told him about it, he seemed to doubt me; however, it only took him a single measurement to see that I did do it all correctly, and there wouldn't be any issues.

 

[K1052]

I think the most amusing part of this whole thing is Ted Cruz all over tv saying he always opposed shutdowns.

It's like the world's shittiest attempt at a Jedi Mind Trick.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You are smarter than Godwin's law. The whole argument against undocumented labor is that is undermines wages, which is why most trade unions tend to find themselves aligned with conservatives when it comes to immigration reform.

In both cases it's fallacious. How many "comfortable middle class" workers and in what fields are they? This isn't migrants it's the economic powers that be. Remember when America was the land of opportunity? You parents? Guess what, that's largely gone and illegals aren't the reason

Here is the US today. These numbers in essence show the odds of breaking out of the class one was born into. Billy Joel decades ago had the measure of this in "Allentown". Today doing as good as your old man did isn't nearly as likely and moving up? That's a bone that everyone ought to know is nothing more than a ploy. Hell, reviews are deliberately manipulated in many cases so those who deserve a raise don't get one, and the people in charge of that get a big bonus for not giving it to others.

But that chart- The lower number the higher your chances of advancement over you parents. We're crappy compared to those commie socialist nations, whose people aren't worn out and tossed for new fodder. We aren't dying because of McDonalds, we're not burning the candle at both ends, we're busting it up into a dozen pieces and burning all the ends. We've peaked on lifespan and are headed the wrong way. It's absolutely insane.

We're all living in Allentown and appeals to baseball, apple pies and sunny days with every Sunday off and having a "comfortable live" one could enjoy listing to the Beach Boys and other fantasies.

Moving to a two class society isn't a good idea and all the platitudes of Trump and the Republicans are self serving nonsense.

 

[K1052]

House has passed their bill. One last stop before the shutdown is over.

 

[Thunder 57]

If Disney throws them in the lake to drowned it is Disney fault.

What? So just because they have to leave Disney they are tossed into a lake?

...It also occurs to me that the easiest way to stop illegal immigration is to make it easier to immigrate legally. People only immigrate illegally because we have made it so difficult and expensive to do it the right way. But I hear almost nothing from Republicans about that.

Agreed. If we made legal immigration much easier, would you be for deporting the ones that commit violent crimes?