I wonder if Trump remembers he was for it before he was against it before he was for it or if he even remembers that the reason he missed his party was the shutdown which might make him mad all over again and maybe he just won't sign the bill because he can never get that party back?House has passed their bill. One last stop before the shutdown is over.
You need to start with the employers, as that will be more effective than any wall. I wish the federal government would start by penalizing employers. Of course affluent blue staters would lose their collective sh!t if they had to pay fair market prices for their landscapers, housecleaners, produce pickers and hand car washes.
I wonder if Trump remembers he was for it before he was against it before he was for it or if he even remembers that the reason he missed his party was the shutdown which might make him mad all over again and maybe he just won't sign the bill because he can never get that party back?
Regarding dreamers, something I saw that I think sums it up nicely.
If your parents sneak you and themselves into Disney Land, when Disney Land finds out and kicks all of you out of the park, is it Disney Land's fault or your parents fault for the child getting kicked out?
We should know as soon as he officially makes his unofficial twitter brain fart.I wonder if Trump remembers he was for it before he was against it before he was for it or if he even remembers that the reason he missed his party was the shutdown which might make him mad all over again and maybe he just won't sign the bill because he can never get that party back?
Nah, he's right. There's no "may or may not" about it. You're awful.I may or may not be awful, but that doesn't change the fact that there is logic you simply don't like but cannot dispute there. But by all means, avoid the argument and just label me as you see fit.
Lameness. They're not throwing the Dreamers out, just denying them the ability to legally earn a living or to become citizens. The GOP loves Free Market labor & illegals are part of their calculus. If they weren't illegal they'd have rights & would present the same management problems as American labor... They might even unionize meatpacking & other industries who hire them. Can't have that. The threat of La Migra keeps them nicely compliant.
I'll be clear on my stance, I think we should look at allowing most of those who have gone down productive paths, been good members of society to stay. But, if they're using up social programs just leaching off the system, have criminal records (particularly if they have violent criminal records) I think they need to be sent to their home country now, not later. They are here illegally, there is nothing wrong with vetting that population of people. Nothing wrong with wages rising to help fill jobs. As an example, if illegal Latinos will work for minimum wage or less to clean our toilets, maybe when they're not there to hire that job becomes higher paying and gets filled by tax paying citizens instead.
I'll be clear on my stance, I think we should look at allowing most of those who have gone down productive paths, been good members of society to stay. But, if they're using up social programs just leaching off the system, have criminal records (particularly if they have violent criminal records) I think they need to be sent to their home country now, not later.
Who will be able to argue with your logic since you have already told yourself it is logic. If I told you your argument isn't logical you would tell me that it is and then I would tell you that it's not and so on. In San Francisco we have free days where people can go to the museums for free, fault free days for not paying? What is the reason we assign fault to people who can't pay? What kind of monsters build dreams in the hearts of children then extorts their parents for money to satisfy them. Whose fault is it they are allowed to do that? Clearly fault is the product of people who hide behind fault as a means of control for their own selfish advantage. Now there's some real logic for you. And yes it is logic no matter what you say.I may or may not be awful, but that doesn't change the fact that there is logic you simply don't like but cannot dispute there. But by all means, avoid the argument and just label me as you see fit.
I'll be clear on my stance, I think we should look at allowing most of those who have gone down productive paths, been good members of society to stay. But, if they're using up social programs just leaching off the system, have criminal records (particularly if they have violent criminal records) I think they need to be sent to their home country now, not later. They are here illegally, there is nothing wrong with vetting that population of people. Nothing wrong with wages rising to help fill jobs. As an example, if illegal Latinos will work for minimum wage or less to clean our toilets, maybe when they're not there to hire that job becomes higher paying and gets filled by tax paying citizens instead.
No, the point was really more to demonstrate how poor your initial attempt at an analogy was. One *can't* spend one's entire life as a resident of Disney Land. As a hypothetical, it's absurd. The situations are really fundamentally dissimilar.So Disney would be obligated to keep them because they have been there illegally so long without a ticket? That sounds retarded to me to be honest.
I am OK if my job gets outsourced, it will be a signal to me that I have become a replaceable cog and need to up my game or do something else. It's not my goal in life to do things that can be done cheaper and/or better by someone else. I have no interest in anyone's pity, or being hired simply because I am an American. I work to develop unique skill set that a company will gladly pay a lot to get, because they derive significant excess value from it, because they can't get it elsewhere, and/or because they don't want a competitor to have it instead. Most big tech employers have offices around the world anyways, and can already hire much cheaper. The main issue is not nationality or cost, it's the skill. Tech is a winner take all game.what he is saying is its ok for your job to be outsourced but not his.
I am OK if my job gets outsourced, it will be a signal to me that I have become a replaceable cog and need to up my game or do something else. It's not my goal in life to do things that can be done cheaper and/or better by someone else. I have no interest in anyone's pity, or being hired simply because I am an American. I work to develop unique skill set that a company will gladly pay a lot to get, because they derive significant excess value from it, because they can't get it elsewhere, and/or because they don't want a competitor to have it instead. Most big tech employers have offices around the world anyways, and can already hire much cheaper. The main issue is not nationality or cost, it's the skill. Tech is a winner take all game.
If you want to be a biorobot who competes with automation, illegals, and outsourced labor, that's cool, but don't expect a middle class lifestyle.
Funny, both my grandfathers built very comfortable middle class lives doing jobs that they took incredible pride in trades their grandkids can no longer make a living from, not because there is no demand, but because illegals are undercutting them on price.
Typical liberal attitude that craft work is shit work.
Do you want DACA then?
You should let Trump know as he shut it down.
Yeh, it's all about you, obviously. If we want middle class lifestyles we just need to employ different means to have them, like higher taxes at the top & greater redistribution. It's the only answer regardless of how badly we wish it weren't.
I am OK if my job gets outsourced, it will be a signal to me that I have become a replaceable cog and need to up my game or do something else. It's not my goal in life to do things that can be done cheaper and/or better by someone else. I have no interest in anyone's pity, or being hired simply because I am an American. I work to develop unique skill set that a company will gladly pay a lot to get, because they derive significant excess value from it, because they can't get it elsewhere, and/or because they don't want a competitor to have it instead. Most big tech employers have offices around the world anyways, and can already hire much cheaper. The main issue is not nationality or cost, it's the skill. Tech is a winner take all game.
If you want to be a biorobot who competes with automation, illegals, and outsourced labor, that's cool, but don't expect a middle class lifestyle.
The middle class is broke dude. No homeowner can afford to pay a craftsman $100/hr when he's lucky to make $25/hr.
It really caused a lot of changes in my daily life...oh wait, no it didn't! They could shut it down and leave it shut down for all the good they do.Republicans just released a government spending bill, then went back behind closed doors, and then realized they don't have the votes within their own caucus. Deadline is Friday.
Basically, the White House literally shit all over a bipartisan agreement on DACA and border security that would've made funding the government much easier. They are grossly incompetent, as per yoosh, and somehow it's all the Democrats' fault.
So, do you think the government shuts down, or do you think Republicans in Congress can get the votes they need for another continuing resolution?
Edit: Looks like Mitch and Chuck have reached a deal, in the absence of leadership from the President, to pass a CR through Feb 8. Mitch agrees to have an open, neutral process on immigration and an up or down vote on immigration reform and DREAM Act. What remains to be seen is whether the President gets on board, or what Speaker Ryan and the House will do given the Hastert Rule and the Freedumb Caucus' tendency to throw a wrench in anything "bipartisan".
It really caused a lot of changes in my daily life...oh wait, no it didn't! They could shut it down and leave it shut down for all the good they do.
The goal of social safety net programs is for people to have health care and not be destitute. Not to provide a middle class lifestyle.Yeh, it's all about you, obviously. If we want middle class lifestyles we just need to employ different means to have them, like higher taxes at the top & greater redistribution. It's the only answer regardless of how badly we wish it weren't.
The goal of social safety net programs is for people to have health care and not be destitute. Not to provide a middle class lifestyle.
You're describing DACA exactly. Pretty much as President Obama drew it up. Is it possible that you're in the closet about being a democrat? It would explain a lot of things.I'll be clear on my stance, I think we should look at allowing most of those who have gone down productive paths, been good members of society to stay. But, if they're using up social programs just leaching off the system, have criminal records (particularly if they have violent criminal records) I think they need to be sent to their home country now, not later.