You truly do live in a bubble.I am OK if my job gets outsourced, it will be a signal to me that I have become a replaceable cog and need to up my game or do something else. It's not my goal in life to do things that can be done cheaper and/or better by someone else. I have no interest in anyone's pity, or being hired simply because I am an American. I work to develop unique skill set that a company will gladly pay a lot to get, because they derive significant excess value from it, because they can't get it elsewhere, and/or because they don't want a competitor to have it instead. Most big tech employers have offices around the world anyways, and can already hire much cheaper. The main issue is not nationality or cost, it's the skill. Tech is a winner take all game.
If you want to be a biorobot who competes with automation, illegals, and outsourced labor, that's cool, but don't expect a middle class lifestyle.
Ahhh Billy Joel, the voice of Baby Boomer angst. You should have also mentioned "We Didn't Start the Fire", the "hey its not our fault we inherited the most powerful nation in the world and irreparably screwed it up with our greed" anthem.In both cases it's fallacious. How many "comfortable middle class" workers and in what fields are they? This isn't migrants it's the economic powers that be. Remember when America was the land of opportunity? You parents? Guess what, that's largely gone and illegals aren't the reason
Here is the US today. These numbers in essence show the odds of breaking out of the class one was born into. Billy Joel decades ago had the measure of this in "Allentown". Today doing as good as your old man did isn't nearly as likely and moving up? That's a bone that everyone ought to know is nothing more than a ploy. Hell, reviews are deliberately manipulated in many cases so those who deserve a raise don't get one, and the people in charge of that get a big bonus for not giving it to others.
But that chart- The lower number the higher your chances of advancement over you parents. We're crappy compared to those commie socialist nations, whose people aren't worn out and tossed for new fodder. We aren't dying because of McDonalds, we're not burning the candle at both ends, we're busting it up into a dozen pieces and burning all the ends. We've peaked on lifespan and are headed the wrong way. It's absolutely insane.
We're all living in Allentown and appeals to baseball, apple pies and sunny days with every Sunday off and having a "comfortable live" one could enjoy listing to the Beach Boys and other fantasies.
Moving to a two class society isn't a good idea and all the platitudes of Trump and the Republicans are self serving nonsense.
You're describing DACA exactly. Pretty much as President Obama drew it up. Is it possible that you're in the closet about being a democrat? It would explain a lot of things.
God this is the funniest shit ever. @SlowSpyder decides to just talk about what he wants for this country instead of reiterating conservative talk radio nonsense and basically just describes DACA.
Cuz her emailsAnd yet, he won't ever acknowledge the irony in it.....or that he's even arguing for DACA.
Best be careful talking about female cousins as we've got some around here who might become overly stimulated by that kind of talk.Cuz her emails
Ahhh Billy Joel, the voice of Baby Boomer angst. You should have also mentioned "We Didn't Start the Fire", the "hey its not our fault we inherited the most powerful nation in the world and irreparably screwed it up with o+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+--ur greed" anthem.
As for the two class society, we are already there and it is most pronounced in blue states...the preachy affluent NIMBY class and the suppressed wages working class that serves it.
A homeowner can pay that, just not very often. I have a plaster/ drywall repair guy who can make the craters of the moon as smooth as a baby's ass & make it look easy while he's doing it. He charged me basically that for the last job & I was happy to pay him. I sure as Hell can't keep him working all the time, however.
You're describing DACA exactly. Pretty much as President Obama drew it up. Is it possible that you're in the closet about being a democrat? It would explain a lot of things.
I don't support the growing divide, I am simply an observer of it. Democrats ignored the divide and Trump exploited it. That dynamic will inevitably shift, and the new fault lines will emerge.I don't particularly care for Billy Joel. I'm more a Trent Reznor guy, but the point and more importantly the facts remain as stated. That you support the growing divide doesn't change anything. That blue states support the red one doesn't change anything. That Republicans in power support this baldly does. Your parents wouldn't have the chance today to get where they did. The ridiculous notion that tax cuts create jobs is a lie and it always was. If the Republicans cared they would have tied job creation performance to rates. Nope.
Blue State, Red State? Guess what? I don't give a rat's ass. You can play the apologist and bait the partisans but I know shit when it smells and the Republican defense of their actions is ridiculously terrible.
But Buttery Emails!!! Republicans do nothing but divert from their contemptuous actions. But but! No buts. The Dems do not offer the best of all possible solutions and sometimes they aren't very clever however given that the Republicans of today are as dumb and dishonest as can be and the leadership shows itself to embrace corruption (Nunes is a great example of party over people), and the deplorable Trump who makes a box of rocks look like a Very Stable Genius.
Apologists, oy vay.
Edit- in response to changes you made while posting- Increasing wealth for the top. No floor for the bottom, heck let's use $4 an hour because Trump certainly is a fan of that. NIMBY? Oh yeah, exempt FL from offshore energy development, you know where Trump and his ilk live. Not in my backyard. There's nothing exclusive to the rich elite. In the backyard of many, your people support toxic wastes, dumping toxins and not cleaning up. Well the peons can deal with that. Hell the stupid peons embrace that for their children.
Destroy the EPA, inflict stupidity in place of expertise, nothing so low that won't be done to the public, well not your betters of course.
It’s very disingenuous to say openness to the premise of dreamers staying “represents DACA exactly” as there are very different ways you could implement DACA. For example as I’ve said I don’t think citizenship should be given to any DACA recipient and citizenship should only be allowed for those who entered via legal channels. Jhhnn and others strongly disagree with that and would completely refuse a DACA solution that only provided permanent green cards/ work permits.
I grew up on welfare and lived through enough shit. So if I live in a bubble, it's one I built for myself by trying to not be interchangeable with uneducated labor or robots. If you think working jobs that illegals do now is going to give you a middle class lifestyle, you are the one in a bubble.You truly do live in a bubble.
Do you not even know the basic qualifications for DACA??? They have already been vetted. They have to renew in order to maintain their status. Nobody else can qualify after 9/5 because Trump ended the initial application process, so this is a finite pool of people.
"You must be currently in school, have graduated, or obtained an equivalent certificate of completion from high school, successfully obtained a general education development (GED) certificate, or must have been honorably discharged from the Armed Forces of the United States; and
You must not have been convicted of a felony, significant misdemeanor, three or more other misdemeanors, and must not pose a threat to national security or public safety."
This country does not deserve a broad middle class. It has been voting for 40 years to destroy it.Why not, if that's the only way left to have a broad middle class?
Ahhh Billy Joel, the voice of Baby Boomer angst. You should have also mentioned "We Didn't Start the Fire", the "hey its not our fault we inherited the most powerful nation in the world and irreparably screwed it up with our greed" anthem.
As for the two class society, we are already there and it is most pronounced in blue states...the preachy affluent NIMBY class and the suppressed wages working class that serves it.
This country does not deserve a broad middle class. It has been voting for 40 years to destroy it.
What? So just because they have to leave Disney they are tossed into a lake?
Yes, and not just violent crimes. Commit a felony and you lose the right to be protected by our society (at least up until they become naturalized citizens, then they are American citizens and must be treated like any other.)Agreed. If we made legal immigration much easier, would you be for deporting the ones that commit violent crimes?
A homeowner can pay that, just not very often. I have a plaster/ drywall repair guy who can make the craters of the moon as smooth as a baby's ass & make it look easy while he's doing it. He charged me basically that for the last job & I was happy to pay him. I sure as Hell can't keep him working all the time, however.
It's easy to say by simply looking at American politics since Reagan. This country deserves whatever trickles down to it, and I don't think a broad middle class is going to be it.That's easy to say when you occupy a position of privilege, isn't it?
It's easy to say by simply looking at American politics since Reagan. This country deserves whatever trickles down to it, and I don't think a broad middle class is going to be it.
Broad middle class (for whites) was a product of the New Deal, when taxes were high and progressive. Someone has to pay for the tax cuts for the rich. And what used to be the middle class is it.Protip, going around saying "since you won't vote for higher taxes for the rich, fvck off and die" isn't a good way of bringing people around to your way of thinking.
I remember Democrats selling us out to free trade, globalization and Wall StreetI don't recall Democrats taking up the banner of trickle down, cutting taxes for the investor class, destroying Unions, gutting the IRS, destroying pensions or laying waste to financial regulations. I don't recall a lot of moralistic raving from Dems defining poverty as a state of moral turpitude or civil servants as leeches, either.
You need to look to conservatives to find that stuff.
Then we started at the same place in life. I was born in the projects.I grew up on welfare and lived through enough shit. So if I live in a bubble, it's one I built for myself by trying to not be interchangeable with uneducated labor or robots. If you think working jobs that illegals do now is going to give you a middle class lifestyle, you are the one in a bubble.
Republicans just gave a monster tax cut to tech companies, foreign earnings are now tax free, and they can transfer intellectual property overseas to shift US profits there and get out of US taxes. So you just keep waiting for the trickle down.Then we started at the same place in life. I was born in the projects.
I do not place blind faith in technology. I believe the tech oligarchs have an obligation to the workers they are rapidly displacing. The economy is going through a massive sea change. Do we want to raise all boats or just sink the ones we don't like?
It's easy to say by simply looking at American politics since Reagan. This country deserves whatever trickles down to it, and I don't think a broad middle class is going to be it.