Shutdown over?

[Moonbeam]

Real bigots make huge extrapolations and generalizations to rationalize their demonization of millions and millions of human beings who don't happen to share their particular political worldview. Physician, heal thyself!

Racism is now the official policy of the Republican party? Your twisted worldview and abject, unabashed bigotry is truly amazing. Sadly, I think you've finally lost it.

I patiently explained all that to you. For example:

The damage that racists do to 'the other' both intentionally via fear induced hatred, or as it seeps out into a bias against certain people at an unconscious level are both repugnant and evil."

So, my dear physician, have you eliminated your racist unconscious bias? And how would you know? I mentioned, did I not, the following:

"No person who wishes to pretend to an ounce of decency can support Republican party that we see before us today. Where this pernicious racism is absent, the white supremacist doctrine dictating Republican legislation would be obvious."

For what reason, do you suppose it's not obvious to you? Which is why I said words to the effect that: The incapacity to see the endemic racism of Republican policy is not something you can see and for this reason:

"Your out, of course, is to deny what is obvious. Decent people don't like to admit to being racist even though it is now official policy of the Republican party. They depend on that to hold power"

I believe that the Republican party is both white supremacist and hideous in that denial, that they have become monsters that threaten American values and the welfare of the nation itself. You stand in opposition to the principles of equality that have made this nation a beacon of light is a world full of darkness and hate. Republicans are monsters that have swallowed the snake whole and are now the disciples of Satan. I wish them all a speedy trip to hell.

It is quite natural, I think, for decent people to want to deny this. Perhaps I shouldn't have called you decent. You apparently thought that your blindness and need to deny was somehow you own fault. Scum-ball Republicans, you should know, have been forgiven. If you can forgive me you will know just how hard that is.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Yes, I first remember hearing the 'if you don't like bigots then you are a bigot' argument in about sixth grade. It is as dumb now as it was then.

Trump's racism is obvious to everyone with a functioning brain. If you want to continue to support someone you know to be a racist that's your business. That choice has consequences though.

That's a lie...I didn't make the 'if you don't like bigots then you are a bigot' argument. I made the argument that you extrapolated your opinion that our President is racist and used this as the sole basis to smear millions and millions of people as also being racist since they happen to support his policies in some way. Your twisted thinking and abject dishonesty are classic fskimospy. Pathetic.

 

[fskimospy]

That's a lie...I didn't make the 'if you don't like bigots then you are a bigot' argument. I made the argument that you extrapolated your opinion that our President is racist and used this as the sole basis to smear millions and millions of people as also being racist since they happen to support his policies in some way. Your twisted thinking and abject dishonesty are classic fskimospy. Pathetic.

Right, there's no confusion about what you're saying. Your argument is that your support for placing an obvious racist in power should not reflect on your own views on race. I'm telling you that's wrong.

 

[Moonbeam]

I gave you the definition of a bigot...and you qualify in spades. Deal with it bigot.

"Real bigots make huge extrapolations and generalizations to rationalize their demonization of millions and millions of human beings who don't happen to share their particular political worldview."

Satan and all his minions are really really upset about that. They demand it stop. But wouldn't a demon by any other name still be a demon? Oh, and did I tell you that you are evil and should be ejected from the country and deported to, I don't know, pick your own shithole? I think not. I think what I did was ask you to see what the Republican party is standing for and what it is doing to attract the votes it needs to win while doing everything it can to prevent the immigration of folk less susceptible to Republican horseshit brainwashing.

 

[Jaskalas]

Right, there's no confusion about what you're saying. Your argument is that your support for placing an obvious racist in power should not reflect on your own views on race. I'm telling you that's wrong.

Obvious to who? Therein lies the rub.

 

[glenn1]

Have you thought about that maybe we should? How much harm does recreational weed do to society? And how much does it cost to catch, process, and lock up all those potheads? We all know the math, and it's not pretty.

Then you change the law. Scheduling MJ is stupid and could and should be undone via legislative process, just as we can and should increase the quota of legal immigrants. I don't have a problem with immigrants, I have a problem with those who knowingly break our immigration laws knowing people like Jhhnn don't want to enforce laws for political reasons and yet have no desire to change or abolish those laws for political reasons. You'll notice that Jhhnn never says we should just have open borders (which I'd be open minded to support), he just wants to not enforce the laws but leave them in place because it gives him power. Power to influence the immigrant community to vote for Dems, and still have the capability to hire cheap slave labor and have ICE deport them if the household help gets too uppity. He's engaging in the same bullshit behavior that small towns do when they know the appropriate speed limit is 50 yet put up speed limit signs saying 30 so they can profit from handing out tickets. It's not about safety or any of the stated goals, it's about making money. Keeping our current immigration laws and quotas in place while not bothering to enforce them is the same damn thing. Open the borders or raise quotas by 2, 3, 10 times current levels for all I care but then enforce the laws you do leave in place.

 

[Moonbeam]

Then you change the law. Scheduling MJ is stupid and could and should be undone via legislative process, just as we can and should increase the quota of legal immigrants. I don't have a problem with immigrants, I have a problem with those who knowingly break our immigration laws knowing people like Jhhnn don't want to enforce laws for political reasons and yet have no desire to change or abolish those laws for political reasons. You'll notice that Jhhnn never says we should just have open borders (which I'd be open minded to support), he just wants to not enforce the laws but leave them in place because it gives him power. Power to influence the immigrant community to vote for Dems, and still have the capability to hire cheap slave labor and have ICE deport them if the household help gets too uppity. He's engaging in the same bullshit behavior that small towns do when they know the appropriate speed limit is 50 yet put up speed limit signs saying 30 so they can profit from handing out tickets. It's not about safety or any of the stated goals, it's about making money. Keeping our current immigration laws and quotas in place while not bothering to enforce them is the same damn thing. Open the borders or raise quotas by 2, 3, 10 times current levels for all I care but then enforce the laws you do leave in place.

Immigrants generally come from very conservative societies and would naturally vote that way here had Republicans not been so deeply wedded to racism as a means to get insure a majority vote that anybody with a brain would have known was unsustainable. Republicans painted themselves into such a racist corner that they offend even their natural allies. Just what one might anticipate from people with a brain defect.

 

[Moonbeam]

Obvious to who? Therein lies the rub.

Exactly, which accounts for pretty much everything I said here. The definition of a bigot, in my opinion, is somebody who has been programmed to believe that Truth and the Good is whatever they happened to have beaten into them as children creating an unconscious assumption that whatever the nonsense is they support, it is not a biased inculcated program, but the actual good. This lock, this prison, this assumption that happens completely beyond the level of a person's awareness, the belief that what they believe is actually the real good, makes it impossible for them to see they are bigots or to let go of that bigotry. No moral person will admit to the possibility the good does not exist. To be moral is to be good. This is why there is the saying, You can always tell a bigot, but you can't tell him much. This is why bigotry is obvious to people who are not programmed in whatever the bigotry happens haphazardly to consists of and to which the bigot him or herself is completely blind to

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

"Real bigots make huge extrapolations and generalizations to rationalize their demonization of millions and millions of human beings who don't happen to share their particular political worldview."

Satan and all his minions are really really upset about that. They demand it stop. But wouldn't a demon by any other name still be a demon? Oh, and did I tell you that you are evil and should be ejected from the country and deported to, I don't know, pick your own shithole? I think not. I think what I did was ask you to see what the Republican party is standing for and what it is doing to attract the votes it needs to win while doing everything it can to prevent the immigration of folk less susceptible to Republican horseshit brainwashing.

What exactly is the Republican Party standing for that you find so evil and reprehensible?

 

[IronWing]

What exactly is the Republican Party standing for that you find so evil and reprehensible?

Greed and mean-spirited stupidity have been the twin pillars of the Republican Party for decades.

 

[Moonbeam]

What exactly is the Republican Party standing for that you find so evil and reprehensible?

Probably that they support a monster and will do what they can to protect and foster his contagion, that he makes decent and normal Americans vomit at the thought he's President, that we have elected an inept, ignoramus who happens also to be a narcissistic sociopath. I also find it especially galling that a mass of brain dead Russian botspawn dare to call themselves the real Americans. That and a few thousand other things, but I don't want to bore you.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Right, there's no confusion about what you're saying. Your argument is that your support for placing an obvious racist in power should not reflect on your own views on race. I'm telling you that's wrong.

I didn't vote for Trump. Did you vote for Clinton? You know...the one who openly joked about "colored people's time" and Mahatma Gandhi owning a gas station, framed young black males as "super-predators" that need to be "brought to heel", and called one of her campaign operatives "That f*cking Jew bastard".

By voting for Clinton, you supported an obvious racist, so it follows using your own incredibly horrid "logic", that her racism reflects your own views on race as well. Or is this somehow different in your world?

 

[IronWing]

"I never voted for the people I fervently defend on the internet."

 

[ivwshane]

I didn't vote for Trump. Did you vote for Clinton? You know...the one who openly joked about "colored people's time" and Mahatma Gandhi owning a gas station, framed young black males as "super-predators" that need to be "brought to heel", and who called one of her campaign operatives "That f*cking Jew bastard".

By voting for Clinton, you supported an obvious racist, so it follows using your own incredibly horrid "logic", that her racism reflects your own views on race as well. Or is this somehow different in your world?

I just wanted to quote this post as it highlights just how low the right is willing to go to ignore the truth. Whataboutism at its finest.


The"racist" joke he's referring to:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/11/politics/bill-de-blasio-hillary-clinton-racial-joke/index.html

 

[Jhhnn]

Then you change the law. Scheduling MJ is stupid and could and should be undone via legislative process, just as we can and should increase the quota of legal immigrants. I don't have a problem with immigrants, I have a problem with those who knowingly break our immigration laws knowing people like Jhhnn don't want to enforce laws for political reasons and yet have no desire to change or abolish those laws for political reasons. You'll notice that Jhhnn never says we should just have open borders (which I'd be open minded to support), he just wants to not enforce the laws but leave them in place because it gives him power. Power to influence the immigrant community to vote for Dems, and still have the capability to hire cheap slave labor and have ICE deport them if the household help gets too uppity. He's engaging in the same bullshit behavior that small towns do when they know the appropriate speed limit is 50 yet put up speed limit signs saying 30 so they can profit from handing out tickets. It's not about safety or any of the stated goals, it's about making money. Keeping our current immigration laws and quotas in place while not bothering to enforce them is the same damn thing. Open the borders or raise quotas by 2, 3, 10 times current levels for all I care but then enforce the laws you do leave in place.

So dishonest, even with yourself. You have no real interest in open borders or higher immigration quotas. If you did, you'd fill those quotas with people who already live here & who already vetted themselves in the process. Which is not to say that I've advocated either of those things.

I contend that we can't hold undocumented or "temporary" long time residents apart from full participation in America w/o doing damage to ourselves. If we want to pin the blame for their presence on somebody then we need to pin it on ourselves. Whatever the reasons, we let it happen for 20 years. These people are already part of America. We need to embrace that simply because there really is no other viable solution. It is what it is.

In the meanwhile, undocumented immigration has been balanced out for 10 years, so we must be doing that part well at this point. If people really think we should do it better, OK. The rules at the border & points of entry can necessarily be more strict than what we establish for ourselves as a society.

Culturally speaking, America is like the Borg. We always have been. We will take your cultural distinctiveness & add it to our own, constantly recreating ourselves in the process. It's part of what makes this a great country.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Probably that they support a monster and will do what they can to protect and foster his contagion, that he makes decent and normal Americans vomit at the thought he's President, that we have elected an inept, ignoramus who happens also to be a narcissistic sociopath. I also find it especially galling that a mass of brain dead Russian botspawn dare to call themselves the real Americans. That and a few thousand other things, but I don't want to bore you.

Sigh...I was hoping for specific policies they're promoting that you find to be especially evil. Your emotions obviously run deep...and I see that your hatred of Trump and those who elected him has now been fully justified in your mind...leaving little doubt that we need more "decent and normal Americans"...just like you. Imagine that! You crack me up.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

"I never voted for the people I fervently defend on the internet."

If your referring to me...you're dead wrong. Do you ever engage in honest discussion? Or are you just content trolling people with idiotic comments and horseshit accusations?

 

[glenn1]

So dishonest, even with yourself. You have no real interest in open borders or higher immigration quotas. If you did, you'd fill those quotas with people who already live here & who already vetted themselves in the process. Which is not to say that I've advocated either of those things.

I contend that we can't hold undocumented or "temporary" long time residents apart from full participation in America w/o doing damage to ourselves. If we want to pin the blame for their presence on somebody then we need to pin it on ourselves. Whatever the reasons, we let it happen for 20 years. These people are already part of America. We need to embrace that simply because there really is no other viable solution. It is what it is.

In the meanwhile, undocumented immigration has been balanced out for 10 years, so we must be doing that part well at this point. If people really think we should do it better, OK. The rules at the border & points of entry can necessarily be more strict than what we establish for ourselves as a society.

Culturally speaking, America is like the Borg. We always have been. We will take your cultural distinctiveness & add it to our own, constantly recreating ourselves in the process. It's part of what makes this a great country.

So even though I've been calling for higher immigration quotas publicly on this board for years you want to say "I have no real interest in it"? The issue isn't that I'm secretly trying to call for higher quotas without meaning it, the problem is that you literally don't want existing undocumented folks to face any consequences whatsoever. That I would not and never would agree to.

 

[Moonbeam]

Sigh...I was hoping for specific policies they're promoting that you find to be especially evil. Your emotions obviously run deep...and I see that your hatred of Trump and those who elected him has now been fully justified in your mind...leaving little doubt that we need more "decent and normal Americans"...just like you. Imagine that! You crack me up.

You could make this a lot easier if you simply admitted you want Trump impeached. Are you worried somebody will call you a bigot for feeling that way?

 

[IronWing]

If your referring to me...you're dead wrong. Do you ever engage in honest discussion? Or are you just content trolling people with idiotic comments and horseshit accusations?

Point to the spot on the doll where truth touched you.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

You could make this a lot easier if you simply admitted you want Trump impeached. Are you worried somebody will call you a bigot for feeling that way?

Actually, it wouldn't bother me in the slightest if he was impeached...assuming he has indeed committed an impeachable offense (other than being a complete ass clown). Does that make a decent and normal American like you feel better?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Point to the spot on the doll where truth touched you.

I have neither the time nor the crayons to explain this to you.

 

[fskimospy]

I didn't vote for Trump. Did you vote for Clinton? You know...the one who openly joked about "colored people's time" and Mahatma Gandhi owning a gas station, framed young black males as "super-predators" that need to be "brought to heel", and called one of her campaign operatives "That f*cking Jew bastard".

By voting for Clinton, you supported an obvious racist, so it follows using your own incredibly horrid "logic", that her racism reflects your own views on race as well. Or is this somehow different in your world?

It's irrelevant if you explicitly voted for him, your posts on here clearly support him. Your attempt to depict Clinton as a racist is the typical sort of casual dishonesty that you always peddle in. You realize you aren't fooling anyone, right?

Trump is a racist and we all know it. If you want to defend a racist that has consequences as to how other people view you. If you don't want other people to consider you to be a racist, stop defending them.

 

[bshole]

Actually, it wouldn't bother me in the slightest if he was impeached...assuming he has indeed committed an impeachable offense (other than being a complete ass clown). Does that make a decent and normal American like you feel better?

Honestly with Pence as the backup, I am ambivalent as well. Regarding Russia, nothing he has done since gaining the Presidency has benefited Russia. All of his actions seem to run counter to Russia's interests. If there were shenanigans, I imagine Putin is having some buyer's remorse. Russia was probably fucked no matter who was elected.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Honestly with Pence as the backup, I am ambivalent as well. Regarding Russia, nothing he has done since gaining the Presidency has benefited Russia. All of his actions seem to run counter to Russia's interests. If there were shenanigans, I imagine Putin is having some buyer's remorse. Russia was probably fucked no matter who was elected.

I share your concern about Pence.

So far I've seen zero credible evidence regarding Russian collusion or that they've benefited in any way from a Trump presidency. Truth be told, this was more about their hatred for Clinton than anything else imo.

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/clinton-putin-226153