The United States of America is a country on Earth, and we did it, and we might do it again.
You have problems with this basic logic.
We did a big one in the 80's with a promise of no more ILLEGALS and better border control and immigration enforcement. So now we are going to do another BIGGER one but this time, it will work? LOL.
Uh huh.
No country on Earth would do such a thing, let alone do it again.
How about do not give them blanket amnesty/green card/citizenship/etc. before we are done with all of the LEGALS first? Gotta love how you keep saying "deporting" over and over again while ignore my statement about what would happen if you sneak in or overstay your visa at any sovereign nation. Any, it does not matter if it is a developed or developing country.
Would you be:
a) Allow to stay and become legal as you advocate so many times in this site just because you were able to stay below the radar and <insert more excuses>.
b) Kick out.
Same question to ALL posters that are advocating for ILLEGALS.
The United States of America is a country on Earth, and we did it, and we might do it again.
You have problems with this basic logic.
How did it not work?No, look like you do not understand logic.
Did it and it did not work but let try it again, right?
I do not claim to be so brilliant like certain posters here but I know that do the same thing over and over again but expect different result(s) = crazy/nut.
So,you really are advocating an immigration Gestapo to deport them. That's what it would take.
How did it not work?
I hear a hiss.You are playing dumb here, you are better than that. Did I say anything about "deport"? I said many times no more blanket amnesty, let enforce immigration rule and law as they are in the book and that is my stance.
Again, specifically, what didn't work? The folks who arrived since the 1980s would have come regardless of the amnesty. We offered them jobs and a dearth of death squads.Then - 3-4 million ILLEGALS
Now - 11 million ILLEGALS (at least)
Then - promise of border control/immigration enforcement
Now - promise of border control/immigration enforcement (but it will really work this time).
Does that look like it was a successful policy to you?
Again, specifically, what didn't work? The folks who arrived since the 1980s would have come regardless of the amnesty. We offered them jobs and a dearth of death squads.
You are playing dumb here, you are better than that. Did I say anything about "deport"? I said many times no more blanket amnesty, let enforce immigration rule and law as they are in the book and that is my stance.
Nothing about deportation. Feel free to quote my exact words.
You seem to think the amnesty had any impact on immigrants' decisions to come here. Why would that factor in any way? If you're living in Shitholistan and you know if you can sneak into America, someone is going to hire you and there aren't death squads here like at home, would the fact that you could never get legal status here dissuade you in any way?We have even more ILLEGALS than ever before, our border is a mess, our immigration rules and laws are being ignored by millions and millions of ILLEGALS and you think it was working fine with that big amnesty in the 80's?
Hell, if you think it was working fine, then why other countries would not follow our "successful model"? Serious question and not a pretentious one.
We have even more ILLEGALS than ever before, our border is a mess, our immigration rules and laws are being ignored by millions and millions of ILLEGALS and you think it was working fine with that big amnesty in the 80's?
Hell, if you think it was working fine, then why other countries would not follow our "successful model" and open their borders? Serious question and not a pretentious one.
How did it not work?
No country on Earth would do such a thing, let alone do it again with more ILLEGALS.
Watch us.We did a big one (with 3-4 million ILLEGALS IIRC) in the 80's with a promise of no more ILLEGALS and better border control and immigration enforcement. So now we are going to do another BIGGER one (at least 11 million ILLEGALS) but this time, it will work...because of reason? LOL.
Uh huh.
No country on Earth would do such a thing, let alone do it again with more ILLEGALS.
You are playing dumb here, you are better than that. Did I say anything about "deport"? I said many times no more blanket amnesty, let enforce immigration rule and law as they are in the book and that is my stance.
Nothing about deportation. Feel free to quote my exact words.
"immigration rule and law as they are in the book" means they're subject to deportation. If ICE had the funding and the manpower, they'd all be deported. That's the simple truth. And that's your position. Dunno why you work so hard to deny it.
You have no solution other than the status quo which isn't a solution at all.
I'm not sure. It seems to have worked. After the amnesty we have fewer illegal immigrants.
Brazil gave amnesty to around 600,000 illegal immigrants.
Spain offered amnesty to 43,000 illegal immigrants (almost one percent of their total population!)
Jamaica is currently offering amnesty to their 20,000 or so illegal immigrants.
EDIT: I mathed wrong, correcting it.
Serious question what is your source for the claim in bold?
You seem to think the amnesty had any impact on immigrants' decisions to come here. Why would that factor in any way? If you're living in Shitholistan and you know if you can sneak into America, someone is going to hire you and there aren't death squads here like at home, would the fact that you could never get legal status here dissuade you in any way?
Also, despite the hysterical rhetoric, our border is far more secure now than at any previous time in our nation's history.
You are right, it didn't work. So do us all a favor and explain what would need to be fixed in order for it to work or how you plan on collecting and deporting 11 million people (be sure to explain how this time, under your plan, we will be successful in rounding up all these people).
Are we clear now?
3-4 million last time, at least 11 million this time.
11 >>>>> 3-4 million.
Scroll up and see my multiple replies to Jhhnn and other posters' suggestions. No one (at least not from me ) is advocating of deportation.