Republicans should admit publicly what they have already admitted privately. The build a wall slogan was a nice catchy campaign tool but is horrendous and unfeasible policy. I can think of many many things to do with 25 billion USD that would be much more impactful to every American citizen.There will be no productive discussion on DACA if the wall is not part of it. Democrats need to give him a bone here or they're wasting their breath trying to get this deal done. It's just that simple.
Republicans remember the promises made and the promises broken regarding border security after Reagan granted amnesty to 2.7 illegals. Republicans want legitimate and effective border security and DACA has zero chance of passing without it. Spin it any way you like, but that's the reality here.It did include additional resources for border security. (also, separate from this legislation border security funding went up about 50% during Obama's term)
Regardless, you've now gone from saying the Democrats 'did nothing' to that the Democrats didn't sufficiently meet the Republicans' demands. Odd how it's always the Democrats' fault each way. If you look back over the last 20 years or so you will see over and over again that Republicans have been the ones who refuse to sign off on immigration reform. (I think you even provided a link previously that showed as much)
It depends what you mean when you say 'the wall'. Trump is not going to get 1,933 miles of wall even though he campaigned for it (and I believe he knows this)...but give him 100 miles in strategic areas and he'll be elated imo. We can get DACA done...IF Democrats don't blow this opportunity.Republicans should admit publicly what they have already admitted privately. The build a wall slogan was a nice catchy campaign tool but is horrendous and unfeasible policy. I can think of many many things to do with 25 billion USD that would be much more impactful to every American citizen.
Republicans remember the promises made and the promises broken regarding border security after Reagan granted amnesty to 2.7 illegals. Republicans want legitimate and effective border security and DACA has zero chance of passing without it. Spin it any way you like, but that's the reality here.
Republicans remember the promises made and the promises broken regarding border security after Reagan granted amnesty to 2.7 illegals. Republicans want legitimate and effective border security and DACA has zero chance of passing without it. Spin it any way you like, but that's the reality here.
It depends what you mean when you say 'the wall'. Trump is not going to get 1,933 miles of wall even though he campaigned for it (and I believe he knows this)...but give him 100 miles in strategic areas and he'll be elated imo. We can get DACA done...IF Democrats don't blow this opportunity.
fskimospy and I were talking about the filibuster that occurred when Democrats had control of the House and Senate under Obama for 2 years.
I can think of many many things to do with 25 billion USD that would be much more impactful to every American citizen.
It depends what you mean when you say 'the wall'. Trump is not going to get 1,933 miles of wall even though he campaigned for it (and I believe he knows this)...but give him 100 miles in strategic areas and he'll be elated imo. We can get DACA done...IF Democrats don't blow this opportunity.
So what? You missed the context of the conversation...that's what.And.. So what? The Senate got past all that in 2013 & the GOP controlled House refused to act upon it. They've refused every overture to revisit the issue until Trump dumped it in their lap & wandered somewhere off the reservation.
But, well, Trump gave them these hostages, you see, and the GOP loves taking hostages, so...
So what? You missed the context of the conversation...that's what.
The people who defend the border disagree with you and support the wall in strategic locations...but what the f*ck do they know about it anyway! Offer Trump this and DACA has a good chance of getting passed. Dig in...rant and rave...and nothing will get done. You chose.The same story. Well he doesn't mean a wall. He means an idea. Well he means policing. Well he means a wall in some places but not others. Well he means a wall the entire way. How can we negotiate when the goal post is constantly moving and one side has no idea what it wants?
Also just think about it. People travel hundreds of miles and you think a wall will stop them. Is an ocean stopping migrants from Africa entering Europe? Like I said people smuggle in, cross on boats, tunnel under, climb over, or simply fly over in a plane to visit and simply decide to stay. I would say almost no wall regardless of how strategically placed is a good investment. If you want to talk border security or immigration most people on the Democratic side are very reasonable to these issues but the discussion has to start rooted in reality and facts, not in campaign slogans from a guy they didn't even want in the first place.
Yes, in a much broader context, all subsequent administrations were culpable in creating the problem we have today.I think the context would be that the GOP has refused to sign on to immigration reform over and over and over again for the last 20-25 years. It's not entirely their fault, but it's far more their fault than anyone else's.
Clinton tried reform - GOP said no.
Bush tried reform - GOP freaked out.
Obama tried reform (twice!) - GOP freaked out twice.
The people who defend the border disagree with you and support the wall in strategic locations...but what the f*ck do they know about it anyway! Offer Trump this and DACA has a good chance of getting passed. Dig in...rant and rave...and nothing will get done. You chose.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/...order-wall-needed-only-in-strategic-locations
Don't give an inch on the wall and I bet I know what happens to DACA.I think if someone would ask them what would be more useful, a wall, or 10,000 more border patrol agents which we could hire and pay for 10 years for roughly the same cost as building the wall (note that does not include the money we would need to upkeep the wall), I bet I know what their answer would be.
Trump will settle for less imo. Just make an offer...a legitimate offer...not some horseshit authorization crap.The Border Patrol agents union is pushing for a much smaller wall than Trump is foaming over. The union is looking to protect their job numbers and a full wall would drastically reduce the number of agents needed in this currently grossly bloated agency.
Guys low with no policy, diplomatic, or academic experience have strong opinions about academic, diplomatic policy issues.The people who defend the border disagree with you and support the wall in strategic locations...but what the f*ck do they know about it anyway! Offer Trump this and DACA has a good chance of getting passed. Dig in...rant and rave...and nothing will get done. You chose.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/...order-wall-needed-only-in-strategic-locations
Do you think that someone who was willing to risk death getting here and deportation, exploitation, and imprisonment once they got here would be kept "living in fear" by having to pay a financial penalty to stay after breaking our immigration laws?
So what? You missed the context of the conversation...that's what.
Oh, I agree. Trump has America by the short and curlies. We are going to piss away a ton of money on a wall, and a large part of that money will probably go directly into Trump's wallet, which is why he is so adamant about it.Don't give an inch on the wall and I bet I know what happens to DACA.
Do you think someone brave enough and dedicated enough to do the things you mentioned is a net contributor compared to the unemployed yokel on government assistance in western Idaho bitching about immigrants, and who's only contribution to the country is having the godly grace to have been born here?
The context is that you're trying to rationalize current bad behavior from the GOP w/ lack of leadership from Trump under a heap of revisionist history.
Is DACA the right thing to do, or not? The vast majority of the public seems to think it is, so why can't the GOP just step up & do the right thing?
I’d be all for deporting native born unemployed yokels if we could. Yet my position is still the same, if you have no intention whatsoever of enforcing a law (and think it’s unethical anyway) you should be advocating for its repeal. No one on the left side in this thread has advocated for open borders/ repeal of our immigration laws so the logical inference is that you want these laws to retain a degree of power and influence over immigrants.
And the vast majority of the public also wants increased border security as well. Why can't Democrats do the right thing? DACA is going to die because of hard-line extremists like you. And it's such a fn easy compromise....for sane people.The context is that you're trying to rationalize current bad behavior from the GOP w/ lack of leadership from Trump under a heap of revisionist history.
Is DACA the right thing to do, or not? The vast majority of the public seems to think it is, so why can't the GOP just step up & do the right thing?