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K1052

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Herein lies the truth. Americans want humane immigration, but they also want cheap sh!t. You can't have both.


Who implemented the short sighted DACA to begin with? Trump ran on a nationalist and populist platform, with inmigration squarely in his sights. DACA was a bandaid. It always hurts to rip off a bandaid. Democrat Senators have to dig in on DACA because all of their presidential hopefuls are currently out sprinting one another to claim the far left.

This is a remarkable abdication of any responsibility for actions taken in contravention of the public desire that will hurt hundreds of thousands of people.
 
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Phynaz

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Which part of the Republicans controlling the House, Senate, and White House do you fail to understand?

What part of a government shutdown being on the heads of Dems that won't fund the government is it that you fail to understand?

Really, what would you say to my dad? Something like "Oh! sorry you followed the rules to become a citizen, we were only kidding. Anyone that that breaks our laws and can manage to get within our borders have the same rights and privileges you do as a naturalized citizen. To make sure the illegal immigrants can get all the benefits of living in the United States we are going to stop proving to you those benefits."

Again, how is that not fucked up?
 

brycejones

Lifer
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Democrat Senators have to dig in on DACA because all of their presidential hopefuls are currently out sprinting one another to claim the far left.

Not acting like a dick to people who only know this country and are here through no fault of their own is now "far left".

So common decency is something that you now attribute to extreme liberals.
 
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Lol, what else is new. That place operates in an alternate dimension.

Also apparently the WH has said that Trump will not go to Florida until the government is funded. As late as yesterday he was going to headline a 100K a ticket party to celebrate the anniversary of his inauguration at Mar-a-Lago. He's not gonna be pleased lol.

Yup, money & admiration will be missed. Dear Leader will be pissed.
 

brycejones

Lifer
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What part of a government shutdown being on the heads of Dems that won't fund the government is it that you fail to understand?

Really, what would you say to my dad? Something like "Oh! sorry you followed the rules to become a citizen, we were only kidding. Anyone that that breaks our laws and can manage to get within our boarders half the same rights and privileges you do as a naturalized citizen. To make sure the illegal immigrants can get all the benefits of living in the United States we are going to stop proving to you those benefits."

Again, how is that not fucked up?

The only thing fucked up is the ass whipping you just gave that poor straw man.
 
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repoman0

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Jun 17, 2010
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What part of a government shutdown being on the heads of Dems that won't fund the government is it that you fail to understand?

Really, what would you say to my dad? Something like "Oh! sorry you followed the rules to become a citizen, we were only kidding. Anyone that that breaks our laws and can manage to get within our borders have the same rights and privileges you do as a naturalized citizen. To make sure the illegal immigrants can get all the benefits of living in the United States we are going to stop proving to you those benefits."

Again, how is that not fucked up?

Do you even know what DACA is?
 

Homerboy

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Lol, what else is new. That place operates in an alternate dimension.

Also apparently the WH has said that Trump will not go to Florida until the government is funded. As late as yesterday he was going to headline a 100K a ticket party to celebrate the anniversary of his inauguration at Mar-a-Lago. He's not gonna be pleased lol.

no refunds will be given!
 
Feb 4, 2009
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What part of a government shutdown being on the heads of Dems that won't fund the government is it that you fail to understand?

Really, what would you say to my dad? Something like "Oh! sorry you followed the rules to become a citizen, we were only kidding. Anyone that that breaks our laws and can manage to get within our borders have the same rights and privileges you do as a naturalized citizen. To make sure the illegal immigrants can get all the benefits of living in the United States we are going to stop proving to you those benefits."

Again, how is that not fucked up?

Just for clarification:
Someone brought here as an infant that now is working should be deported correct?
Someone brought here as a child and served in the Military should be deported?

I just want to make sure you understand what this is about.
 
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Starbuck1975

Lifer
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This is a remarkable abdication of any responsibility for actions taken in contravention of the public desire that will hurt hundreds of thousands of people.
Immigration reform should be a topic completely independent from a decision on whether or not to fund the government, but Trump thrives on chaos and both parties are digging in during an election year, so here we are.
 

Phynaz

Lifer
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Just for clarification:
Someone brought here as an infant that now is working should be deported correct?
Someone brought here as a child and served in the Military should be deported?

I just want to make sure you understand what this is about.

Both those apply to my dad. Would you like to see his United States Navy decorations? His naturalization papers?

So again, why should his government stop proving him services over people that aren't US citizens?
 
Feb 4, 2009
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What part of a government shutdown being on the heads of Dems that won't fund the government is it that you fail to understand?

Really, what would you say to my dad? Something like "Oh! sorry you followed the rules to become a citizen, we were only kidding. Anyone that that breaks our laws and can manage to get within our borders have the same rights and privileges you do as a naturalized citizen. To make sure the illegal immigrants can get all the benefits of living in the United States we are going to stop proving to you those benefits."

Again, how is that not fucked up?

It’s fucked up because even assuming there will be some kind of filibuster republicans have 85% of the votes to pass it provided they all worked together. They literally need a few extra votes of 50 or so people to get this over the line it very odd that they appear incapable of doing that even though they have had months to tackle this problem
 
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repoman0

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Both those apply to my dad. Would you like to see his United States Navy decorations? His naturalization papers?

So again, why should his government stop proving him services over people that aren't US citizens?

So your dad was brought here illegally as a child and was given a path to legal citizenship, but fuck these 700,000 other kids, they don't deserve the same chance.
 
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Both those apply to my dad. Would you like to see his United States Navy decorations? His naturalization papers?

So again, why should his government stop proving him services over people that aren't US citizens?

I agree this is how deals work, everyone needs something. This is the opinion piece Republicans need to sit the fuck down and figure out exactly what they want regarding healthcare, social security, Medicare and immigration.
The President shitting on the bi-partisan deal that everyone appeared satisfied with did not help, the President ignoring requests from his own Party to tell them what he wants.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
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Not acting like a dick to people who only know this country and are here through no fault of their own is now "far left".

So common decency is something that you now attribute to extreme liberals.
That's quite the logical leap. DACA was a poor decision. You cannot enact immigration reform through executive edict. It was a temporary fix.

The appeal to "common decency" is always politically opportunistic.

Immigration and citizenship is a very costly path for those who do not have the luxury of crossing a border. Should we refund the thousands of dollars immigrants typically have to spend to obtain citizenship? That would be fair and decent.
 

brycejones

Lifer
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Immigration and citizenship is a very costly path for those who do not have the luxury of crossing a border. Should we refund the thousands of dollars immigrants typically have to spend to obtain citizenship? That would be fair and decent.

I must have missed the "free with DACA" coupon DACA recipients received.

Can you post a picture of it?
 

SMOGZINN

Lifer
Jun 17, 2005
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What part of a government shutdown being on the heads of Dems that won't fund the government is it that you fail to understand?

Really, what would you say to my dad? Something like "Oh! sorry you followed the rules to become a citizen, we were only kidding. Anyone that that breaks our laws and can manage to get within our borders have the same rights and privileges you do as a naturalized citizen. To make sure the illegal immigrants can get all the benefits of living in the United States we are going to stop proving to you those benefits."

Again, how is that not fucked up?

I would say be carful that Trump does not revoke his citizenship too. Complain to much and he might. Is that the government you want?
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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Immigration reform should be a topic completely independent from a decision on whether or not to fund the government, but Trump thrives on chaos and both parties are digging in during an election year, so here we are.

In principle I agree however with Trump blowing up the bipartisan talks after saying he wanted a congressional solution while the deadline nears for DACA recipients there seems to be little practical alternative. Also the GOP can't even muster a simple majority for their CR so it's not all the Dem 2020 crowd.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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What part of a government shutdown being on the heads of Dems that won't fund the government is it that you fail to understand?

Really, what would you say to my dad? Something like "Oh! sorry you followed the rules to become a citizen, we were only kidding. Anyone that that breaks our laws and can manage to get within our borders have the same rights and privileges you do as a naturalized citizen. To make sure the illegal immigrants can get all the benefits of living in the United States we are going to stop proving to you those benefits."

Again, how is that not fucked up?
I give you credit for sticking tight to a Republican talking point but your point has nothing to do with the shutdown.
 

Phynaz

Lifer
Mar 13, 2006
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I agree this is how deals work, everyone needs something. This is the opinion piece Republicans need to sit the fuck down and figure out exactly what they want regarding healthcare, social security, Medicare and immigration.
The President shitting on the bi-partisan deal that everyone appeared satisfied with did not help, the President ignoring requests from his own Party to tell them what he wants.

Congress should be banding together against Trump and pass at least a temporary budget by a non-veto-able margin.
 
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