Shutdown over?

[dank69]

There's no doubt that Democrats had the opportunity to avoid the shutdown. I'm not sure turning this into a blame game is going to help our partisanship problem.

We are way past helping our partisanship problem. Liberals want to destroy America. Everyone knows this.

 

[K1052]

Haha thanks but it wasn't my call. I just paid attention to the words he said. Plus he has to pander to a bunch of inbred retards if he wants to hold on to his job.

CHIP is very important to Doug Jones, it's one of if not the signature program he ran on. GOP was still well short of what they needed so letting him go do his thing cost nothing.

 

[Bitek]

Illegals over Americans! The Schumer Shutdown should result in big wins for the Dems this fall. /s

CNN poll: DACA not worth a shutdown, except to Democrats

How damned stupid can the Dem's be? Pretty damned stupid but it does show how much their backs are to the wall. Without the votes of illegals they know their party is history. The only way they can stay alive in Trump's America is by perpetuating and creating even more government dependency. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

So you are calling the 1000 Daca recipients serving in the military illegal immigrants and unworthy to be called Americans.

You also want to destroy American families and rip father's and mother's from their American born spouses and children.

Why? Because you hate shitholers and poors, and fucking them up is priority #2 after cutting taxes for billionaires.

 

[UNCjigga]

lol @ "Schumer shutdown." Hey, I think 2 + 2 = taco as long as I say it does, too!

what a rube. It's as if you simply don't care about the world in front of you.

They choose to go with the downloaded talking points rather than open their eyes as to what actually happened. Repugs had already decided that a shutdown might be in their best interests, and certainly did not spend the last 24 hours trying to avoid one.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Views on the importance of shutdowns have certainly changed since the ancient mists of 2013, haven't they? Then, it was more important to the Republicans that access to health care for the working lower classes be repealed than that the government be allowed to operate for another 16 days. Something must have changed to make suspending deportations of longtime productive and family-based US residents less important than a shutdown. I wonder what that could have been...

Trump is a horrible "dealmaker". CHIP and DACA are overwhelmingly popular among the American public. A true leader and "dealmaker" would be aware of this and not just appeasing is base. Trump is like Lucy and pulls the football at the last minute with DACA when just a few days ago said he would sign whatever bill congress brings to him. That's just poor leadership. And not to mention McConnell was the 49th. Party before country.

It's not the incongruity between a shutdown and MAGA that befuddles me, it's the substantial quorum of US politicians and voters who'd consider that a shutdown represents an improvement in governance.

 

[IronWing]

You did know that it takes 60 votes in the Senate to pass an appropriation bill don't you? There's only 51 Republicans in the Senate, hopefully after the 2018 elections we can get 60, but i really doubt it.

Liar. McConnell can change it to 50+1 anytime he wishes.

 

[interchange]

We are way past helping our partisanship problem. Liberals want to destroy America. Everyone knows this.

Everyone wants to destroy America. We don't know what to do with the constant frustration of our hopes to grow.

 

[kage69]

Just got an email from a friend in MD, who is a contractor for the Navy. He is beyond pissed, is going to cancel 2 projects and a vacation he and wife had been planning for more than a year. This screws his life up for at least the next 2 months. He has never answered me as to if he voted for Dump, but I get from his fury that he did.

If he is any indication of the rage the GOP will be facing in November, these fools are FUCT.

I'm not happy to see my government get the Dump treatment, but if this is what it takes to get the point across to voters, so be it. Tick tock banana republicans!

 

[Starbuck1975]

Views on the importance of shutdowns have certainly changed since the ancient mists of 2013, haven't they? Then, it was more important to the Republicans that access to health care for the working lower classes be repealed than that the government be allowed to operate for another 16 days. Something must have changed to make suspending deportations of longtime productive and family-based US residents less important than a shutdown. I wonder what that could have been...

Trump is a horrible "dealmaker". CHIP and DACA are overwhelmingly popular among the American public. A true leader and "dealmaker" would be aware of this and not just appeasing is base. Trump is like Lucy and pulls the football at the last minute with DACA when just a few days ago said he would sign whatever bill congress brings to him. That's just poor leadership. And not to mention McConnell was the 49th. Party before country.

It's not the incongruity between a shutdown and MAGA that befuddles me, it's the substantial quorum of US politicians and voters who'd consider that a shutdown represents an improvement in governance.

CHIP is overwhelmingly popular.

DACA is overwhelmingly popular, but not as a precondition to pass the budget. That is the narrative that will form in the coming days. Was DACA worth shutting down the government over.

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/19/politics/cnn-poll-shutdown-trump-immigration-daca/index.html

 

[K1052]

CHIP is overwhelmingly popular.

DACA is overwhelmingly popular, but not as a precondition to pass the budget. That is the narrative that will form in the current days. Was DACA worth shutting down the government over.

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/19/politics/cnn-poll-shutdown-trump-immigration-daca/index.html

I'm increasingly skeptical that any narrative is going to really matter for either side given the rotational speed of the Trump propelled news cycle when some other horrible thing will, inevitably, blot out all memory that this ever happened except for a vague impression that the gov shut down under him.

 

[IronWing]

CHIP is overwhelmingly popular.

DACA is overwhelmingly popular, but not as a precondition to pass the budget. That is the narrative that will form in the current days. Was DACA worth shutting down the government over.

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/19/politics/cnn-poll-shutdown-trump-immigration-daca/index.html

The DACA negotiations with the Democrats are a sideshow, the Republican Plan B, and only required because the Republicans wanted the Dems to save them from themselves. Republican infighting is what shutdown the government. The testosterone poisoned politics of modern Republicanism and the belief that compromise means losing has made it all but impossible for Republicans to negotiate even amongst themselves.

 

[VRAMdemon]

CHIP is overwhelmingly popular.

DACA is overwhelmingly popular, but not as a precondition to pass the budget. That is the narrative that will form in the current days. Was DACA worth shutting down the government over.

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/19/politics/cnn-poll-shutdown-trump-immigration-daca/index.html

Agreed, that will be one narrative. I wiil say...as much as I sympathize with the DACA people I would rather the Dems spend their political capitol on funding CHIP.

Another narrative is they had a bi-partisan deal worked out on DACA but Trump did that one in, and refused to deal. Hard to run anything when the man in charge doesn't have a clue about what he wants. There was a deal to be made - the minority party said exactly what and how it could be done, but the Majority Party and Trump refused to deal.

The majority party has the means to pass the bills in the Senate even over the objections of the minority party, but they won't. And this will still somehow be the minority party's fault.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Can someone answer me this, Both of the bargaining chips for the republicans (CHIP and DACA) were recently allowed to expire by congress and/or by executive order. So, why does anyone think this wasn't planned to use these as a bargaining chip in future negotiations so the democrats will fight to get back to status quo but the republicans stand to actually gain something? I mean, Trump could just reverse his executive order on DACA, right? Does this really depend on congress?. If so, It's just disingenuous of Republicans and naïve of the Democrats.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Can someone answer me this, Both of the bargaining chips for the republicans (CHIP and DACA) were recently allowed to expire by congress and/or by executive order. So, why does anyone think this wasn't planned to use these as a bargaining chip in future negotiations so the democrats will fight to get back to status quo but the republicans stand to actually gain something? I mean, Trump could just reverse his executive order on DACA, right? Does this really depend on congress?. If so, It's just disingenuous of Republicans and naïve of the Democrats.

The two parties should just change their names to Disingenuous and Naive.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I'm increasingly skeptical that any narrative is going to really matter for either side given the rotational speed of the Trump propelled news cycle when some other horrible thing will, inevitably, blot out all memory that this ever happened except for a vague impression that the gov shut down under him.

This is very true. Trump continues to operate in a world where he can just behave disruptively and there are no repercussions.

I've seen very gifted negotiators operate this way and somehow manage to succeed. They thrive on creating chaos, with the knowledge that most people will buckle because they lose the patience or resources necessary to navigate it.

 

[K1052]

This is very true. Trump continues to operate in a world where he can just behave disruptively and there are no repercussions.

I've seen very gifted negotiators operate this way and somehow manage to succeed. They thrive on creating chaos, with the knowledge that most people will buckle because they lose the patience or resources necessary to navigate it.

In those cases that person doing the negotiating actually knows what they want and when to close the deal. Does not seem to be the case over at the WH...

 

[dank69]

Everyone wants to destroy America. We don't know what to do with the constant frustration of our hopes to grow.

Conservatives do not want to destroy America. They want to help America. They just refuse to accept any evidence that their policies are not good for America.

Liberals want to destroy America because they hate America and hate Americans. Also they like to eat babies.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Also, Is there some reason why the Majority can't invoke the "nuclear option" or whatever it was called in order to pass the CR or the budget? I suspect that the same as with every nuclear option... the retaliation is no fun at all. Republicans are aware they might lose their majorities this year, and they don't want to end up totally powerless if that happens.

Realistically, if the funding resolution can't pass without both parties, the question then becomes which party's "hostage" seems the most unreasonable. DACA is pre-existing policy, it is popular with the public, so it's really not smart for the Republicans to "shoot" this hostage. Of course we won't really know until the dust settles.

By now the government shutdown is recognized as the Republican "brand". They claim the government is broken, dysfunctional, and superfluous. The voters vote them in with this in mind and then they prove themselves right by going to Washington and fail to govern, and say "look how broken it is". Their base still buys this schtick, but most voters can see through it.

 

[interchange]

Conservatives do not want to destroy America. They want to help America. They just refuse to accept any evidence that their policies are not good for America.

Liberals want to destroy America because they hate America and hate Americans. Also they like to eat babies.

Are you someone that imagines a person contains only one motivation or at least cannot contain 2 motivations that directly oppose each other?

 

[feralkid]

The DACA negotiations with the Democrats are a sideshow, the Republican Plan B, and only required because the Republicans wanted the Dems to save them from themselves. Republican infighting is what shutdown the government. The testosterone poisoned politics of modern Republicanism and the belief that compromise means losing has made it all but impossible for Republicans to negotiate even amongst themselves.

Smells like Freedum Caucus.

 

[UglyCasanova]

The CR is insanity anyways. It’s money already spent, pay the bills.

 

[dank69]

Are you someone that imagines a person contains only one motivation or at least cannot contain 2 motivations that directly oppose each other?

That's an odd question to ask. Why do you think you are asking it?

 

[interchange]

That's an odd question to ask. Why do you think you are asking it?

Because I think most of the behavior we are seeing from politicians (etc.) these days isn't produced from the motivation they see most just. However, when a person perceives it impossible to gratify that motivation, they are faced with a choice. Do they accept total failure? Or do they sacrifice the first motivation to try and gratify second place? The second place motivation might be quite contrary to the first.

 

[VRAMdemon]

In those cases that person doing the negotiating actually knows what they want and when to close the deal. Does not seem to be the case over at the WH...

Yeah, the rank-and-file Republicans and the Democrats already came up with a plan and then Trump torpedoed it. Trump torpedoed the exact thing that he claimed he wanted (a DACA fix). Trump continues to play lip service to do things with all Americans in mind, but only have himself and people who fawn all over him in mind. This isn't what America was like when she was Great, when "The Other Guys" weren't automatically the enemy instead of fellow citizens. But that's where we are today.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Yeah, the rank-and-file Republicans and the Democrats already came up with a plan and then Trump torpedoed it. Trump torpedoed the exact thing that he claimed he wanted (a DACA fix). Trump continues to play lip service to do things with all Americans in mind, but only have himself and people who fawn all over him in mind. This isn't what America was like when she was Great, when "The Other Guys" weren't automatically the enemy instead of fellow citizens. But that's where we are today.

The only thing that Trump wants is for people to kiss his ass and bolster his ego so he can go play golf with an inflated head.