Shutdown over?

[fskimospy]

Lots of substantive bipartisan jobs bills were obstructed by Reid at a time when unemployment was very high. He's a scumbag politician who obstructed at every turn...even going to the point of abandoning regular order and disallowing amendments to bills. (Note: When taking power, Republicans immediately reinstated regular order). There is no doubt Republicans obstructed on some issues...especially ACA. But, in addition to hundreds of bipartisan bills, there where even 24 substantive bills from the House solely sponsored by Democrats, that Reid obstructed as well. Reid was a complete and utter scumbag imo and did irreparable harm to this country during his tenure as Senate majority leader.

This is a bizarre partisan fantasy that I assume comes from consuming far too much right wing news. Here's what factcheck has to say about that:

https://www.factcheck.org/2014/11/boehners-bipartisan-bunk/

Regardless though by all means link those 24 'substantive bills solely sponsored by Democrats' so we can all see how substantive they are and their eventual fates in the Senate.

As for the Republicans immediately reinstating regular order are you fucking kidding me. Anyone who has been paying even the slightest bit of attention to the Senate over the last year would know that there has never been a less regular order of business in the entire history of the US Senate from the day the Constitution was ratified.

 

[K1052]

As for the Republicans immediately reinstating regular order are you fucking kidding me. Anyone who has been paying even the slightest bit of attention to the Senate over the last year would know that there has never been a less regular order of business in the entire history of the US Senate from the day the Constitution was ratified.

Lol, order so regular that McCain tanked the ACA repeal over it.

 

[SP33Demon]

Hardly. Slaves used be counted as 3/5 of a person when it came to the census.

For presidential electoral votes, voters in California only get 1/3 the voting power of someone in Wyoming for example. New York, and Texas are treated similarly.

If you believe in equality and 1 person = 1 vote you should find I disturbing that constitutionally rural states are more equal than others thanks to the electoral college.

Or, there's this thing called outreach. Maybe Dems could try that to voters in swing states instead of whining about things they will never be able to change (electoral college) in our lifetimes. Oh wait, Dems can't even get fundraising right anymore so there goes plans for outreach and as of November, the RNC had $39.8 million in cash on hand vs DNC's $6.3 million. My how the mighty have fallen.

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/946186086128214016

Jake Tapper‏Verified account @jaketapper
Jake Tapper Retweeted GOP The fundraising superiority of @gop over @dnc this year is not to be dismissed and it’s kind of astounding how Democrats aren’t publicly sounding an alarm

 

[Jhhnn]

There were a shit-ton of bipartisan bills from the House that Reid obstructed....and you say this was all part of the GOP's obstructionist strategy? What color is the sky in your world?

Not quite true-

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...nn-jenkins-blames-harry-reid-do-nothing-sena/

The real issue isn't any of that but rather removing the protections that at least 800K Dreamers currently have. That's what it's all about. How badly do you want to see them screwed over?

 

[SP33Demon]

Vote to invoke cloture passed. Now on to the actual vote over the CR then the House.

Yup, Schumer says they now have a deal. Bunch of chickenshits = Dems, close the government down for an entire workday claiming they won't budge and then puss out after polling says the country ain't buying their BS.

 

[interchange]

Illegal inmigration, outsourcing and globalization are contributing factors to the jobless hopelessness that is fueling the opiate crisis.

This is a very interesting observation. Illegal immigration is not contributing to joblessness. However, belief that illegal immigration is contributing to joblessness definitely contributes to jobless hopelessness which definitely contributes to the opioid crisis.

Is it a good idea to create a scapegoat, persecute it, and net the rewards of doing so? I think it didn't work out so well in the end for either Adolf Hitler or the world. Think things will go differently this time?

 

[K1052]

Or, there's this thing called outreach. Maybe Dems could try that to voters in swing states instead of whining about things they will never be able to change (electoral college) in our lifetimes. Oh wait, Dems can't even get fundraising right anymore so there goes plans for outreach and as of November, the RNC had $39.8 million in cash on hand vs DNC's $6.3 million. My how the mighty have fallen.

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/946186086128214016

RNC/DNC fundraising is only one small part of the picture for both sides. Both parties have groups that are raising a lot of money as are individual candidates themselves.

The DCCC just posted a record figure for a non-election year.

The Democratic Party organization charged with reclaiming the House majority said Monday that it raised more than $100 million in 2017, a record total for a non-election year.

With $9.5 million in December receipts, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee brought its total for the year to $105.4 million. In 2015, the last comparable year, the DCCC raised $68.2 million.

The robust fundraising numbers come amid growing confidence from top Democrats that the party could win the House majority in November. Democrats need to flip two dozen seats to take back the chamber after losing its majority in a 2010 landslide.

The DCCC’s fundraising outstripped its Republican counterpart each month from May through December, ending the year ahead by about $20 million. The National Republican Congressional Committee raised $85 million for the year, according to figures shared with the Washington Examiner earlier this month.

However, the NRCC maintains a significant advantage in cash on hand, with $43.6 million in its coffers at year’s end vs. $38.9 million for the DCCC.

http://wapo.st/2DwG4BG?tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.a0dddd390629

 

[SP33Demon]

So Mitch "I stole the supreme court" McConnel is now offering Democrats his promise to one day allow DACA to be spoken of in the senate in order to turn the government back on?


If they fall for this crap I will be very disappointed. They need to keep it shut down until they get DACA. If that means it stays shut down until midterms then so be it. McConnel will be out of a job soon enough.

Your heroes folded like a cheap lawn chair at the first sign of negative polling. Hope it was worth it, can't keep crying wolf - especially on Feb 8th when we go through this entire process again - before your own party's supporters start calling BS and jumping ship.

 

[K1052]

Yup, Schumer says they now have a deal. Bunch of chickenshits = Dems, close the government down for an entire workday claiming they won't budge and then puss out after polling says the country ain't buying their BS.

Polling is mixed on who will blame who. Pointless anyway since everybody will forget about this once president dumbass opens his yap again.

 

[SP33Demon]

RNC/DNC fundraising is only one small part of the picture for both sides. Both parties have groups that are raising a lot of money as are individual candidates themselves.

The DCCC just posted a record figure for a non-election year.



http://wapo.st/2DwG4BG?tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.a0dddd390629

"However, the NRCC maintains a significant advantage in cash on hand, with $43.6 million in its coffers at year’s end vs. $38.9 million for the DCCC." That's a huge advantage regardless of funny money numbers the DCCC says they got.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Reality of the Schumer Shutdown.

 

[SP33Demon]

Polling is mixed on who will blame who. Pointless anyway since everybody will forget about this once president dumbass opens his yap again.

It's not "mixed". 65% of independents didn't want a shutdown to happen over immigration, that is the only stat you need to know. Progressive Senate Dems won't be pulling this stunt again lest they really lose their minds, which isn't out of the realm of possibilities now that the party is in a huge divide in the caucus. They've now proven to be willing to cut off their nose to spite their face, polling be damned.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/22/politics/shutdown-latest/index.html

California Sen. Dianne Feinstein, who is facing a primary challenge from the left, said she is "disappointed" as she left the chamber.

In an indication of progressive sentiment: A frustrated Kamala Harris emerged from the vote and told reporters she doesn’t believe McConnell made any commitment, as her colleagues are claiming.

“Listen, I’m disappointed with a conversation that suggests a false choice, you either fund the government or you take care of these DACA kids,” Harris said. “We can do both.”

As for McConnell’s so-called commitment, Harris shot it down.

“I don’t believe he made any commitment whatsoever and I think it would be foolhardy to believe he made a commitment,” Harris said.

According to a Democratic source, progressive senators are not happy with their colleagues who are voting for this deal, a sign of a deep divide in the caucus.

See bolded ^

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

This is a bizarre partisan fantasy that I assume comes from consuming far too much right wing news. Here's what factcheck has to say about that:

https://www.factcheck.org/2014/11/boehners-bipartisan-bunk/

Regardless though by all means link those 24 'substantive bills solely sponsored by Democrats' so we can all see how substantive they are and their eventual fates in the Senate.

Per your link, half the jobs bills were bipartisan in that they received more than 20 votes from Democrats. In addition, Politifact deemed the 24 of the 55 bills sponsored solely by Democrats to be substantive....but didn't list them. If you want to spin and twist these facts in some way....go for it. I find your "reality" fascinating.

As for the Republicans immediately reinstating regular order are you fucking kidding me. Anyone who has been paying even the slightest bit of attention to the Senate over the last year would know that there has never been a less regular order of business in the entire history of the US Senate from the day the Constitution was ratified.

Regular order in the context of allowing minority party sponsored amendments to be heard on the floor. Are you intentionally trying to twist my words?

 

[Jhhnn]

Yup, Schumer says they now have a deal. Bunch of chickenshits = Dems, close the government down for an entire workday claiming they won't budge and then puss out after polling says the country ain't buying their BS.

Spin it! The details have yet to emerge. Your claims of victory are premature.

 

[K1052]

"However, the NRCC maintains a significant advantage in cash on hand, with $43.6 million in its coffers at year’s end vs. $38.9 million for the DCCC." That's a huge advantage regardless of funny money numbers the DCCC says they got.

uh huh

 

[Jhhnn]

Reality of the Schumer Shutdown.

Gawd. Pirro is a hack.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Not quite true-

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...nn-jenkins-blames-harry-reid-do-nothing-sena/

The real issue isn't any of that but rather removing the protections that at least 800K Dreamers currently have. That's what it's all about. How badly do you want to see them screwed over?

Conservatives are evil and the worse human beings you could possibly imagine...and of course we want Dreamers screwed over in the most horrible of ways. It's all just that fucking simple...when you have a brain the size of a pea.

 

[K1052]

It's not "mixed". 65% of independents didn't want a shutdown to happen over immigration, that is the only stat you need to know. Progressive Senate Dems won't be pulling this stunt again lest they really lose their minds, which isn't out of the realm of possibilities now that the party is in a huge divide in the caucus. They've now proven to be willing to cut off their nose to spite their face, polling be damned.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/22/politics/shutdown-latest/index.html


See bolded ^

Been watching more than single polls. Nobody will remember this a week or less from now anyway, as I said. He'll probably call the Queen a bitch or something in like two days.

 

[Starbuck1975]

This is a very interesting observation. Illegal immigration is not contributing to joblessness. However, belief that illegal immigration is contributing to joblessness definitely contributes to jobless hopelessness which definitely contributes to the opioid crisis.

Is it a good idea to create a scapegoat, persecute it, and net the rewards of doing so? I think it didn't work out so well in the end for either Adolf Hitler or the world. Think things will go differently this time?

Of course it does. Illegal inmigration creates an exploitable labor pool that tangibly suppresses wages and has a ripple effect across the entire economy.

 

[Jhhnn]

This is a very interesting observation. Illegal immigration is not contributing to joblessness. However, belief that illegal immigration is contributing to joblessness definitely contributes to jobless hopelessness which definitely contributes to the opioid crisis.

Is it a good idea to create a scapegoat, persecute it, and net the rewards of doing so? I think it didn't work out so well in the end for either Adolf Hitler or the world. Think things will go differently this time?

Agreed. The GOP deliberately promulgates that false belief. The difficulties of formerly prosperous regions are a direct result of Job Creator activities. Pump 'em, dump 'em & move on to greener pastures.

 

[Starbuck1975]

RESIST!!! (so long as it is politically advantageous)

 

[Jhhnn]

RESIST!!! (so long as it is politically advantageous)

As I pointed out, the details of any deal have yet to emerge. Claims that the Dems caved are premature at best.

 

[SlowSpyder]

RESIST!!! (so long as it is politically advantageous)

That's what it is about to too many today. Partisan agenda before America.

 

[fskimospy]

Per your link, half the jobs bills were bipartisan in that they received more than 20 votes from Democrats. In addition, Politifact deemed the 24 of the 55 bills sponsored solely by Democrats to be substantive....but didn't list them. If you want to spin and twist these facts in some way....go for it. I find your "reality" fascinating.

So in other words you're taking the exact opposite conclusion of my link while citing it for credibility. Lol.

From my link:

“Both parties have played the ‘bipartisan’ game by picking off one or two strays from the other side and claiming the high ground, but it is a big stretch,” he said. “These are not bipartisan by any reasonable definition of the term. It may be an even bigger stretch to call most of those bills ‘jobs’ bills.”

As for what Politifact said, you either didn't read that link well or you are intentionally twisting what it said. It talked about bills awaiting action in the Senate, which could be the case for any number of reasons. It did not say that they were blocked by Reid. You clearly have no idea what was in the bills you're making claims about, which, amusingly enough, did not stop you from making the claims.

So you said Reid was holding up Democratic sponsored bills. List those bills and let's look at their content and their fate. You made a claim so I'm inviting you to work with me to see if that claim is true or not. Since presumably you would wouldn't want to keep claiming things that are false, let's take this journey of discovery together!

Regular order in the context of allowing minority party sponsored amendments to be heard on the floor. Are you intentionally trying to twist my words?

No, I'm using the definition of regular order that the Senate uses. You certainly can't ask us to use a definition of 'regular order' that you just made up. Both ACA repeal and their tax bill were passed under nothing even remotely resembling regular order. In fact, the ACA repeal efford was so insanely irregular that it spawned a mutiny within GOP ranks because of how irresponsible it was. Then you had the tax bill that no one had read passed with changes handwritten into the margins. Not sure how you forgot this already. The idea that McConnell has pursued regular order is laugh-out-loud absurd.

 

[Jhhnn]

Of course it does. Illegal inmigration creates an exploitable labor pool that tangibly suppresses wages and has a ripple effect across the entire economy.

Malarkey. Areas with the highest concentrations of illegals are among the most prosperous. If what you offer were true that wouldn't be the case. They went to the jobs in ways that depressed area Americans simply did not.