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dmcowen674

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More signs that Global warming does not exist. :roll:

8-15-2005 Thousands Blacked Out Across Northeast

BOSTON - Thousands of people across the Northeast had no electricity for alarm clocks and air conditioners Monday following waves of violent thunderstorms.

Wind gusting to 80 mph knocked trees onto power lines, lightning started fires and torrential rain flooded streets in parts of eastern Pennsylvania, northern New Jersey, southeastern New York, Connecticut and eastern Massachusetts on Sunday.

The mayor of Stamford, Conn., said the damage was the worst since an ice storm in 1973. "We've never seen anything like it," said Dannel Malloy.

However, the storms brought at least a little relief from a stifling heat wave that had driven temperatures above 100 degrees with high humidity.

Before the storms, Consolidated Edison in New York had record demand for power during the weekend, said spokesman Chris Olert.

 
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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
More signs that Global warming does not exist. :roll:

8-15-2005 Thousands Blacked Out Across Northeast

BOSTON - Thousands of people across the Northeast had no electricity for alarm clocks and air conditioners Monday following waves of violent thunderstorms.

Wind gusting to 80 mph knocked trees onto power lines, lightning started fires and torrential rain flooded streets in parts of eastern Pennsylvania, northern New Jersey, southeastern New York, Connecticut and eastern Massachusetts on Sunday.

The mayor of Stamford, Conn., said the damage was the worst since an ice storm in 1973. "We've never seen anything like it," said Dannel Malloy.

However, the storms brought at least a little relief from a stifling heat wave that had driven temperatures above 100 degrees with high humidity.

Before the storms, Consolidated Edison in New York had record demand for power during the weekend, said spokesman Chris Olert.

What's your point?
It's hot here too. Two years ago we had something similar happen in October. Global warming OH NOES!!!!!!!!!!11!1!1!!!! Turns out it's a record high pressure system. When it goes so will the heat.
 

piasabird

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Long term evidence of what?

Our temperature records only go back to around 1800; not much evidence in that record.
 

cquark

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: cquark
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Truth be told, in the history of the earth it has been MUCH warmer than it is now and MUCH colder and there have been some rather violent swings between the two.

True, but that's no reason not to worry, as some of the Earth's dramatic past climates killed large percentages of species living at the time. I'm interested in the survival of human civilization, not the planet. The planet just a ball of rock that doesn't care much if there's a mile thick ice in the tropics as happened during the snowball Earth phase, but human civilization wouldn't have survived that climate.

What's more, just to add to the overall confusion on the topic, CO2 levels have been MUCH higher (by over 10 times) than they are now and during some of those elevated CO2 periods we've seen ice ages.

What's your source for this? What other environmental factors were important at those times?

Check the graph...
Why can't we keep this crap on one thread?

That junkscience site is a propaganda tool for anti-environmental groups. There's no way I'm trusting a random image off their site with all of its well known errors. If you can post a reference to that graph as part of a publication in a peer-reviewed scientific journal, I'll consider it.
 

cquark

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
More signs that Global warming does not exist. :roll:

8-15-2005 Thousands Blacked Out Across Northeast

BOSTON - Thousands of people across the Northeast had no electricity for alarm clocks and air conditioners Monday following waves of violent thunderstorms.

Wind gusting to 80 mph knocked trees onto power lines, lightning started fires and torrential rain flooded streets in parts of eastern Pennsylvania, northern New Jersey, southeastern New York, Connecticut and eastern Massachusetts on Sunday.

The mayor of Stamford, Conn., said the damage was the worst since an ice storm in 1973. "We've never seen anything like it," said Dannel Malloy.

However, the storms brought at least a little relief from a stifling heat wave that had driven temperatures above 100 degrees with high humidity.

Before the storms, Consolidated Edison in New York had record demand for power during the weekend, said spokesman Chris Olert.

What's your point?
It's hot here too. Two years ago we had something similar happen in October. Global warming OH NOES!!!!!!!!!!11!1!1!!!! Turns out it's a record high pressure system. When it goes so will the heat.

You're right that global warming isn't as simple as record temperatures everywhere at every point in time. Some areas will even become cooler due to changing weather patterns and ocean currents. Evidence is accumulating that hurricanes are strongly dependent on ocean surface temperatures, which means that we'll see more and worse storms over the next few decades as the world warms.
 

shoegazer

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Check the graph...
Why can't we keep this crap on one thread?

that graph should be taken with a grain of salt. it's tough to predict global avg temperature 400,000 years ago when we have ice core records, much less 400 million years ago when we don't.

but, yeah, temperature and co2 has been higher and lower in the past compared to now.

if anything, the graph supports the theory that temperature and c02 concentrations are linked.

we are burning fossil fuels that are stored carbon from a few hundred million years ago. the increase in co2 in the oceans and air can be traced back to us fairly accurately and quantitatively.

so, are we pushing the climate to one of the major changes that that graph shows?
 

Whaspe

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Originally posted by: Stunt
What are you talking about, Domes?...Fvck that...Canada the next tropical destination?!...YES PLEASE!

From one man not looking forward to another season of frigid cold to another: :beer:



Anyone hear about the meeting today in Churchill Manitoba? Apparently global warming will be opening up trade routes through the Arctic Sea making Churchill a potential major port and stop along the trading route. I'll see if I can get a link on it.
 

RichPLS

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Environmental Myth

The theory of man caused global climate change is a fairly new idea. For many years it was believed that God created and maintained Earth to be used by man. The bogus idea that man through the burning of fossil fuels is causing the earth to warm has been the mantra of many anti-American and anti-capitalistic groups for the past decade and a half.
My first memory involving global climate change was in the fourth grade. I was shocked to learn that the earth was in the beginning stages of another ice age. I was shocked and terrified as any ten year old would be. I could imagine having to fight wooly mammoths for space on the sidewalks as I walked to school. The thought that the earth might be warming apparently did not exist in our textbooks nor was it taught in class. I never really thought about climate change for several years as I was more concerned with pursuing members of the fairer sex and building and driving fast vehicles.
Apparently between 1980 and the middle part of the 1990?s the United States has caused the earth to reheat. I believe this is wrong and being used to deepen the coffers and environmental groups and the pocketbooks of their leaders. I heard Rush Limbaugh say once that ?Everything that happens in this world of any importance is directly related to money?. This was one of the most profound things I had ever heard. I believe this is exactly the reason for the expansion of Earth First, the Sierra Club and other radical preservation groups.
The global warming debate is highly technical and is difficult to understand for even the so-called experts. ?The global warming debate, like many environmental issues, is scientifically complex and highly emotional. Its complexity hinders informed debate and its emotionalism makes consensus elusive. Part of the problem is that climatology (the discipline dealing most directly with global climate issues) is a young and inexact science. But much of the problem can be traced to special interest's manipulation of the political process. Contrary to conventional wisdom, many fundamental questions about global warming remain unanswered. Two crucial questions are: 1) Is significant human-induced global warming actually occurring? 2) If it is occurring, will the net effects be beneficial or harmful? In neither case is the answer an unambiguous "yes." (Baden)
Many experts believe that man made global warming is actually not occurring at all. Baden says ?First, significant global warming may not be occurring. Certainly, the historical relationship between CO and temperature changes is ambiguous. Although levels of atmospheric CO have risen nearly 40 percent since the turn of the century, data from within the United States indicates no statistically significant increase in mean annual temperatures. In fact, between 1920 and 1987, there was a slight cooling trend. Data also indicates that the rise in hemispheric temperature has been significantly less than expected given the increase in CO. And the region most likely to see temperature increases, the Arctic, has actually cooled since about l940. Furthermore, the climate models used to predict warming depend on numerous unknowns. For example, we do not know how changes in cloud cover will affect global temperatures. Although the models agree that a warmer earth is likely to be a cloudier earth, it is unknown whether more clouds will cool the planet by reflecting sunlight or warm the planet by trapping re-radiated heat before it escapes into space. The net effect is unclear. Neither do the models explain the impact of temperature changes on polar ice and snow. A warmer climate may increase precipitation and produce more ice and snow in colder areas. This would increase the earth's albedo and cool the planet. (Baden)
There are many myths associated with global warming, not the least of these myths is the scientific models used to predict and interpolate data and results. ?The myth of "global warming" starts with an accurate observation: The amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is rising. It is now about 360 parts per million, vs. 290 at the beginning of the 20th century, Reasonable estimates indicate that it may eventually rise as high as 600 parts per million. This rise probably results from human burning of coal, oil and natural gas, although this is not certain. Earth's oceans and land hold some 50 times as much carbon dioxide as is in the atmosphere, and movement between these reservoirs of carbon dioxide is poorly understood. The observed rise in atmospheric carbon dioxide does correspond with the time of human release and equals about half of the amount released.?
One of the most unusual findings by these scientists is how placing hydrocarbons into the atmosphere. Robinson says ?Standing timber in the United States has already increased by 30% since 1950. There is now 60 tons of timber for every American. Tree-ring studies further confirm this spectacular increase in tree growth rates. It has also been found that mature Amazonian rain forests are increasing in biomass at about two tons per acre per year. A composite of 279 research studies predicts that overall plant growth rates will ultimately double as carbon dioxide increases. (Robinson)? I agree with Robinson that it is considered borderline sacrilegious speech to the pagans and druids that make up the environmental movement to think that anything positive can come from humanity. It is basically hate speech to say that something positive has come from the industrial revolution however Robinson says ?What mankind is doing is moving hydrocarbons from below ground and turning them into living things. We are living in an increasingly lush environment of plants and animals as a result of the carbon dioxide increase. Our children will enjoy an Earth with twice as much plant and animal life as that with which we now are blessed. This is a wonderful and unexpected gift from the industrial revolution.
Hydrocarbons are needed to feed and lift from poverty vast numbers of people across the globe. This can eventually allow all human beings to live long, prosperous, healthy, productive lives. No other single technological factor is more important to the increase in the quality, length and quantity of human life than the continued, expanded and unrationed use of the Earth's hydrocarbons, of which we have proven reserves to last more than 1,000 years. Global warming is a myth. The reality is that global poverty and death would be the result of Kyoto's rationing of hydrocarbons (Robinson).?
These myths are also perpetuated by our popular culture and pray upon the idiocy and ignorance of the typical consumer and moviegoer. Last summer Roland Emmerich produced the ridiculous flick ?The Day After Tomorrow?. This was the most absurd movie I have viewed, well, ever. This was an obvious attempt to pray upon the limited and left leaning intellect of the would be ?green? voters to get them to the polls to vote against President George W. Bush. Mike Walters writes ?The film packages and sells what environmentalists have been preaching in schools and in public for decades: the idea that technological advances that prolong and enrich human life come at the cost of destroying the planet through global warming - a suggested increase in worldwide temperatures caused by man-made greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide. With the release of "The Day After Tomorrow," people and the media have a renewed interest in this topic. However, there seems to be a lack of hard evidence suggesting that the earth really is getting warmer, that such weather patterns are outside of the normal fluctuation ranges or that any of it is caused by human activity. (Walters)?
If this issue were just the beliefs of some burned out chain rattling hippies it would not be that big of an issue. Walters states that ?If this were a small misunderstanding, it wouldn't be a problem to clear up. However, an incredible amount of people believe in this. In a national survey of 1,000 adults conducted by the polling firm Global Strategy Group this year, 70 percent of Americans polled said they consider global warming to be a "very serious" or "somewhat serious" problem. (Walters)? While I have not performed such a detailed study myself I have found the results to be similar even among students of my esteemed institution who should frankly know better. Often when discussing environmental issues with the average student I find myself as confused as Michael Moore at a Mensa convention. This disinformation is a plague sweeping our country by virtue of our pitiful system of public education and ultimately maturing into misguided leftists making their voting decisions on science which is less substantial than the story of Rumpelstiltskin.
In closing it is important to remember when discussing with these well-meaning but poorly educated wing nuts that they truly mean well. They really believe that America is to blame for the imaginary problems of the planet. We are constantly bombarded with stories of how evil American corporations are shipping all of the American manufacturing jobs to China. It seems logical to me that manufacturing, i.e. factories would produce massive amounts of pollution. I have yet to hear however one environmental organization blame China or the Russia for any environmental problems. I believe this disrobes the wizard of environmentalism and shows him for what he really is, an America hating pagan.
In summary I hope to have dispelled some of the beliefs of this cult of ignorance and manipulation and showed it for what it really is. As long as Greenpeace, The Sierra Club, and Earth First are profitable these myths will keep being perpetuated perhaps Karry Mullis the 1993 Nobel Prize Winner said it best "Environmentalists predict that global warming is coming, and our emissions are to blame. They do that to keep us worried about our role in the whole thing. If we aren't worried and guilty, we might not pay their salaries. It's that simple."
 

Whaspe

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Originally posted by: coomar
Originally posted by: Stunt
What are you talking about, Domes?...Fvck that...Canada the next tropical destination?!...YES PLEASE!


what are you talking about, if you want to live in the tropical climate, move to the tropics, leave canada nice and cold

Snow sports enthusiast? Or are you the guy I see biking to work when it's -40 degrees Celsius? (-40 Celsius equals -40 Fahrenheit)
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: cquark
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Truth be told, in the history of the earth it has been MUCH warmer than it is now and MUCH colder and there have been some rather violent swings between the two.

True, but that's no reason not to worry, as some of the Earth's dramatic past climates killed large percentages of species living at the time. I'm interested in the survival of human civilization, not the planet. The planet just a ball of rock that doesn't care much if there's a mile thick ice in the tropics as happened during the snowball Earth phase, but human civilization wouldn't have survived that climate.

What's more, just to add to the overall confusion on the topic, CO2 levels have been MUCH higher (by over 10 times) than they are now and during some of those elevated CO2 periods we've seen ice ages.

What's your source for this? What other environmental factors were important at those times?

Check the graph...
Why can't we keep this crap on one thread?

Science class wasn't your strong class was it.

Look at the gragh. What was happening millions of years ago?

Super high Volcanic activity spewing a ton of crap into the atmospehere acting like a blanket. The planet will not go into that young volcanic stage ever again.
 

yankeesfan

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I have an honest question:

Where is the refutation of the myth, if it is one, that Krakatoa released more harmful gases into the atmosphere than we humans have in history? I read that somewhere. Thanks.
 

shoegazer

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hmm, i think it's that krakatoa released gasses and particles into the atmosphere that don't have a long residency time (time in the atmosphere).

i think the co2 released wasn't all that significant. (co2 has a residency time of around 100-200 years)

 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: yankeesfan
I have an honest question:

Where is the refutation of the myth, if it is one, that Krakatoa released more harmful gases into the atmosphere than we humans have in history? I read that somewhere. Thanks.

Not true. Thanks.
 

yankeesfan

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: yankeesfan
I have an honest question:

Where is the refutation of the myth, if it is one, that Krakatoa released more harmful gases into the atmosphere than we humans have in history? I read that somewhere. Thanks.

Not true. Thanks.

It's not true that there is credible refutation? If you want to endear yourself to the person you are trying to convince, it would not be good if you try to make fun of them, as well. Way to go, winner! :roll:

I am not educated in this field of discussion, and I wished for some help in this instance. Nice job screwing that up.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: yankeesfan
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: yankeesfan
I have an honest question:

Where is the refutation of the myth, if it is one, that Krakatoa released more harmful gases into the atmosphere than we humans have in history? I read that somewhere. Thanks.

Not true. Thanks.

It's not true that there is credible refutation? If you want to endear yourself to the person you are trying to convince, it would not be good if you try to make fun of them, as well. Way to go, winner! :roll:

I am not educated in this field of discussion, and I wished for some help in this instance. Nice job screwing that up.

Doh, sorry. This issue is just pissing me off with all the same idiotic statements by various people. When I read your Post I just didn't read it as you intended and thus my idiotic response.
 
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Originally posted by: cquark
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: cquark
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Truth be told, in the history of the earth it has been MUCH warmer than it is now and MUCH colder and there have been some rather violent swings between the two.

True, but that's no reason not to worry, as some of the Earth's dramatic past climates killed large percentages of species living at the time. I'm interested in the survival of human civilization, not the planet. The planet just a ball of rock that doesn't care much if there's a mile thick ice in the tropics as happened during the snowball Earth phase, but human civilization wouldn't have survived that climate.

What's more, just to add to the overall confusion on the topic, CO2 levels have been MUCH higher (by over 10 times) than they are now and during some of those elevated CO2 periods we've seen ice ages.

What's your source for this? What other environmental factors were important at those times?

Check the graph...
Why can't we keep this crap on one thread?

That junkscience site is a propaganda tool for anti-environmental groups. There's no way I'm trusting a random image off their site with all of its well known errors. If you can post a reference to that graph as part of a publication in a peer-reviewed scientific journal, I'll consider it.

That is actually part of the point in posting it. So much of the 'science' that is quoted or cited in the global warming debate is either bad science or non-peer reviewed studies. The "hockey graph" would be the best example of such a study. I've already posted the link on here somewhere but the main author of the study that generated the graph won't release his data for outside examination. In the mean time people point to that graph and cite it like it's real science.

A lot of these studies that I look at can't seem to get past the whole "correlation doesn't equal causation" test. That is where science starts. You observe a possible correlation and then you start to establish if the two are related. Example: science has noted that in the last 100 or so years atmospheric CO2 concentrations have risen. Coincidently in the last 100 or so years temperatures have risen. Therefore A causes B.

But that is not good science. Especially when we know that in the past higher concentrations of CO2 have been present during ice ages. We also know that tempertures have fluctuated wildly in the recent geological past with no influence from man. We also know that CO2 concentrations have risen and fallen with out the influence of man. This is not to say that CO2 is not the cause of rising temps, nor is it to say that man is not influencing CO2 concentrations... but it's not evidence that it is either.
 

cquark

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Originally posted by: yankeesfan
I have an honest question:

Where is the refutation of the myth, if it is one, that Krakatoa released more harmful gases into the atmosphere than we humans have in history? I read that somewhere. Thanks.

The Greenhouse effect works by retaining heat, but volcanic eruptions create a stratospheric veil of fine dust and add sulfates to the atmosphere that both block heat from the Sun before it can be retained. Krakatoa instead caused global cooling, leading to what people called "the year without a summer" and spectacular sunsets for years afterward.
 
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Originally posted by: cquark
Originally posted by: yankeesfan
I have an honest question:

Where is the refutation of the myth, if it is one, that Krakatoa released more harmful gases into the atmosphere than we humans have in history? I read that somewhere. Thanks.

The Greenhouse effect works by retaining heat, but volcanic eruptions create a stratospheric veil of fine dust and add sulfates to the atmosphere that both block heat from the Sun before it can be retained. Krakatoa instead caused global cooling, leading to what people called "the year without a summer" and spectacular sunsets for years afterward.

In the more recent past Mt Pinatubo did the same thing.
 

coomar

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krakatoa dropped the world's temperature by a couple degrees for a few years if I remember right
 
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Originally posted by: Ferocious
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Hopefully we can come up with a solution before it's too late!

I was thinking about the movie 'Total Recall' with those breathable domed cities (on Mars) and all those mutants walking around. I'd hate to live like that.

Freeze more ice cubes?
 

RichPLS

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Originally posted by: RichPLS
Environmental Myth

If this issue were just the beliefs of some burned out chain rattling hippies it would not be that big of an issue. Walters states that ?If this were a small misunderstanding, it wouldn't be a problem to clear up. However, an incredible amount of people believe in this. In a national survey of 1,000 adults conducted by the polling firm Global Strategy Group this year, 70 percent of Americans polled said they consider global warming to be a "very serious" or "somewhat serious" problem. (Walters)? While I have not performed such a detailed study myself I have found the results to be similar even among students of my esteemed institution who should frankly know better. Often when discussing environmental issues with the average student I find myself as confused as Michael Moore at a Mensa convention. This disinformation is a plague sweeping our country by virtue of our pitiful system of public education and ultimately maturing into misguided leftists making their voting decisions on science which is less substantial than the story of Rumpelstiltskin.
In closing it is important to remember when discussing with these well-meaning but poorly educated wing nuts that they truly mean well. They really believe that America is to blame for the imaginary problems of the planet. We are constantly bombarded with stories of how evil American corporations are shipping all of the American manufacturing jobs to China. It seems logical to me that manufacturing, i.e. factories would produce massive amounts of pollution. I have yet to hear however one environmental organization blame China or the Russia for any environmental problems. I believe this disrobes the wizard of environmentalism and shows him for what he really is, an America hating pagan.
In summary I hope to have dispelled some of the beliefs of this cult of ignorance and manipulation and showed it for what it really is. As long as Greenpeace, The Sierra Club, and Earth First are profitable these myths will keep being perpetuated perhaps Karry Mullis the 1993 Nobel Prize Winner said it best "Environmentalists predict that global warming is coming, and our emissions are to blame. They do that to keep us worried about our role in the whole thing. If we aren't worried and guilty, we might not pay their salaries. It's that simple."

 

shoegazer

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

A lot of these studies that I look at can't seem to get past the whole "correlation doesn't equal causation" test. That is where science starts. You observe a possible correlation and then you start to establish if the two are related. Example: science has noted that in the last 100 or so years atmospheric CO2 concentrations have risen. Coincidently in the last 100 or so years temperatures have risen. Therefore A causes B.

But that is not good science. Especially when we know that in the past higher concentrations of CO2 have been present during ice ages. We also know that tempertures have fluctuated wildly in the recent geological past with no influence from man. We also know that CO2 concentrations have risen and fallen with out the influence of man. This is not to say that CO2 is not the cause of rising temps, nor is it to say that man is not influencing CO2 concentrations... but it's not evidence that it is either.

the thing is, we can keep track of the co2 we release. the increase in co2 in the oceans and atmosphere matches up with the co2 we are releasing.

higher concentrations of co2 cause higher temperatures. of course, there are countless other feedback factors influencing the worlds climate that could nullify the effect of co2.

but, humans are definitely perturbing the worlds natural co2 concentrations, and we know that co2 has played a major role in climate over the earth's history.
 
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Originally posted by: shoegazer
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

A lot of these studies that I look at can't seem to get past the whole "correlation doesn't equal causation" test. That is where science starts. You observe a possible correlation and then you start to establish if the two are related. Example: science has noted that in the last 100 or so years atmospheric CO2 concentrations have risen. Coincidently in the last 100 or so years temperatures have risen. Therefore A causes B.

But that is not good science. Especially when we know that in the past higher concentrations of CO2 have been present during ice ages. We also know that tempertures have fluctuated wildly in the recent geological past with no influence from man. We also know that CO2 concentrations have risen and fallen with out the influence of man. This is not to say that CO2 is not the cause of rising temps, nor is it to say that man is not influencing CO2 concentrations... but it's not evidence that it is either.

the thing is, we can keep track of the co2 we release. the increase in co2 in the oceans and atmosphere matches up with the co2 we are releasing.

higher concentrations of co2 cause higher temperatures. of course, there are countless other feedback factors influencing the worlds climate that could nullify the effect of co2.

but, humans are definitely perturbing the worlds natural co2 concentrations, and we know that co2 has played a major role in climate over the earth's history.

To an extent I agree. It's fairly easy to track how much CO2 we are releasing and how that affects the overall CO2 atmospheric content.

But to say that CO2 causes high temperatures is patently unprovable as we know that elevated CO2 conditions have occured during ice ages as well as periods of elevated temperature.

To say that CO2 causes warming is the same as saying that where we see "A" we also tend to see "B". Therefore A causes B. That is a fallacy without proof of causation, which we clearly don't have. Additionally we have correlation between high CO2 concentrations and cooler temperatures. Nobody is saying that A causes B in those known situations.

The one thing that is not arguable is that we live in a dynamic climate. The hows and whys of the dynamic nature of teh climate have many theories and observations as to how it all works. Hard science and evidence seem to be hard to come by though.
 
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