Situation In Iraq Has Worsened

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
We waited over 10 years...

Edit: and.... iran has a nuclear program capable of enriching weapons grade uranium, which they claim to be using for power, and wont even let the russians inspect what they are doing. (Iran and russia have good relations).

Completely different issue.

So does Pakistan and North Korea... what's George doing about that?

Frankly, Iran's trying to hurry up BECAUSE Bush wants to invade them too and a nuclear weapon is the only deterrence that they could have.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Acanthus
We waited over 10 years...

Edit: and.... iran has a nuclear program capable of enriching weapons grade uranium, which they claim to be using for power, and wont even let the russians inspect what they are doing. (Iran and russia have good relations).

Completely different issue.

So does Pakistan and North Korea... what's George doing about that?

Frankly, Iran's trying to hurry up BECAUSE Bush wants to invade them too and a nuclear weapon is the only deterrence that they could have.

Pakistan is a friend of the US, and invading NK just isnt an option.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Acanthus
We waited over 10 years...

Edit: and.... iran has a nuclear program capable of enriching weapons grade uranium, which they claim to be using for power, and wont even let the russians inspect what they are doing. (Iran and russia have good relations).

Completely different issue.

So does Pakistan and North Korea... what's George doing about that?

Frankly, Iran's trying to hurry up BECAUSE Bush wants to invade them too and a nuclear weapon is the only deterrence that they could have.

Pakistan is a friend of the US, and invading NK just isnt an option.

Why not?

 

[Acanthus]

One of the largest standing armies in the world with backing from the the largest standing army in the world?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Acanthus
We waited over 10 years...

Edit: and.... iran has a nuclear program capable of enriching weapons grade uranium, which they claim to be using for power, and wont even let the russians inspect what they are doing. (Iran and russia have good relations).

Completely different issue.

So does Pakistan and North Korea... what's George doing about that?

Frankly, Iran's trying to hurry up BECAUSE Bush wants to invade them too and a nuclear weapon is the only deterrence that they could have.

Pakistan is a friend of the US, and invading NK just isnt an option.

BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!

Pakistan is a fragile government. Musharraf isn't our friend. He's merely accepting "aid" from the US in return for showing a bit of force against Al Qaeda. Look at what he's going to earn for his loyalty now:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051225/pl_nm/arms_india_pakistan_dc

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Acanthus
We waited over 10 years...

Edit: and.... iran has a nuclear program capable of enriching weapons grade uranium, which they claim to be using for power, and wont even let the russians inspect what they are doing. (Iran and russia have good relations).

Completely different issue.

So does Pakistan and North Korea... what's George doing about that?

Frankly, Iran's trying to hurry up BECAUSE Bush wants to invade them too and a nuclear weapon is the only deterrence that they could have.

Pakistan is a friend of the US, and invading NK just isnt an option.

BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!

Pakistan is a fragile government. Musharraf isn't our friend. He's merely accepting "aid" from the US in return for showing a bit of force against Al Qaeda. Look at what he's going to earn for his loyalty now:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051225/pl_nm/arms_india_pakistan_dc

I know all about why he is friendly to the US, and yes, Musharraf isnt exactly in a great position of power. Regardless of the reasons, he is friendly to the US. Much moreso than Iran or NK.

 

[conjur]

I'll grant you that but your more general statement that Pakistan is a friend to the US is bogus. It's a temporary "loyalty", perhaps even borrowed.

 

[CaptnKirk]

As the Godfather once said:

Either we get your signature on the paper . . or your brains on the paper.
Don't much matter which one we get.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: conjur
And in that 10 years did anything happen? No.



Iran hasn't made any threatening moves, though, have they?

Well, they did support Hezbollah in its attacks in the 90s and apparently have allowed Al Qaeda to move freely in/out of the country but this administration didn't seem to worried about that in 2002/2003. Why would they be worried now?

ok, so, it seems you argument has now shifted to the fact that we chose the wrong target. I plan to use this post of yours in defense of the war with Iran that now seems inevitable. Will you be crying about most of the world invading Iran when it happens? I guess we'll have to wait and see... but atleast you admit that we should, and better yet, you admit that we probably should have done so 3 years ago instead of Iraq!

that's good stuff. I plan to hold you to that once the bombs start falling in Iran.

excellent.

 

[dahunan]

We are not supposed to invade anyone based on their THOUGHTS

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: conjur
And in that 10 years did anything happen? No.



Iran hasn't made any threatening moves, though, have they?

Well, they did support Hezbollah in its attacks in the 90s and apparently have allowed Al Qaeda to move freely in/out of the country but this administration didn't seem to worried about that in 2002/2003. Why would they be worried now?

ok, so, it seems you argument has now shifted to the fact that we chose the wrong target. I plan to use this post of yours in defense of the war with Iran that now seems inevitable. Will you be crying about most of the world invading Iran when it happens? I guess we'll have to wait and see... but atleast you admit that we should, and better yet, you admit that we probably should have done so 3 years ago instead of Iraq!

that's good stuff. I plan to hold you to that once the bombs start falling in Iran.

excellent.

I think I understand why you don't think. It must be because it makes your brain hurt.

I'm trying to find where in my post above I support invading Iran. Let me read through it again....

...hmmm...nope, still not finding it.

You see. I was for invading Iraq back in 2003. I had some doubts but I was generally like you at the time (a Kool-Aid drinker). I swallowed the red pill about 9 mos. later and realized how much wool I was looking through. I can see so much more clearly now.

Iraq represented the low-hanging fruit. Iran would have made a more justified victim than Iraq but, like Iraq, Iran had never attacked the US directly and wasn't part of the 9/11 attacks. Iran was more turning a blind eye to what was going through its country. To attack Iran would require a huge # of troops and would result in a much larger casualty count as well as cost a tremendous amount more in deficit spending. That's three strikes, imo.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: conjur
To attack Iran would require a huge # of troops and would result in a much larger casualty count as well as cost a tremendous amount more in deficit spending. That's three strikes, imo.

it's seems to me that you are only worried about the cost, not the reasons...

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: conjur
To attack Iran would require a huge # of troops and would result in a much larger casualty count as well as cost a tremendous amount more in deficit spending. That's three strikes, imo.

it's seems to me that you are only worried about the cost, not the reasons...

What reasons?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: conjur
To attack Iran would require a huge # of troops and would result in a much larger casualty count as well as cost a tremendous amount more in deficit spending. That's three strikes, imo.

it's seems to me that you are only worried about the cost, not the reasons...

What reasons?

gee, i dont know, how about...

1) They are led by maniacs who want nukes to wipe Israel off of the map, and have said so on live TV in recent weeks!
2) They overtly harbor and finance terrorists from nearly every known terrorist group on the planet, including some of the world's most wanted!
3) They just gave the entire world the finger and reopened their nuclear research facilities.
4) They have directly financed and orchestrated terrorist attacks around the globe via Hezbollah which was formed and led by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard itself!
5) THEY WANT TO NUKE ISRAEL AND THE US OFF THE MAP!!!111 Did I already say that?
6) They consistently send troops, supplies, and finances over the boarder to the insurgent groups in Iraq AND Afghanistan; who are then killing our troops every week using said troops, financing, and supplies.

hmm... what else?! how about BECAUSE THEY SEEM TO BE SOME OF THE MOST EVIL SOB's ON THE PLANET, and they would like nothing more than to see every Jew, Christian on the planet DEAD?!

need I go on, or will you try to dismiss all of the above as some sort of hyperbole?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: conjur
To attack Iran would require a huge # of troops and would result in a much larger casualty count as well as cost a tremendous amount more in deficit spending. That's three strikes, imo.

it's seems to me that you are only worried about the cost, not the reasons...

What reasons?

gee, i dont know, how about...

1) They are led by maniacs who want nukes to wipe Israel off of the map, and have said so on live TV in recent weeks!
2) They overtly harbor and finance terrorists from nearly every known terrorist group on the planet, including some of the world's most wanted!
3) They just gave the entire world the finger and reopened their nuclear research facilities.
4) They have directly financed and orchestrated terrorist attacks around the globe via Hezbollah which was formed and led by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard itself!
5) THEY WANT TO NUKE ISRAEL AND THE US OFF THE MAP!!!111 Did I already say that?
6) They consistently send troops, supplies, and finances over the boarder to the insurgent groups in Iraq AND Afghanistan; who are then killing our troops every week using said troops, financing, and supplies.

hmm... what else?! how about BECAUSE THEY SEEM TO BE SOME OF THE MOST EVIL SOB's ON THE PLANET, and they would like nothing more than to see every Jew, Christian on the planet DEAD?!

need I go on, or will you try to dismiss all of the above as some sort of hyperbole?

Well, who do they think they are, their own country or something??

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: conjur
To attack Iran would require a huge # of troops and would result in a much larger casualty count as well as cost a tremendous amount more in deficit spending. That's three strikes, imo.

it's seems to me that you are only worried about the cost, not the reasons...

What reasons?

gee, i dont know, how about...

1) They are led by maniacs who want nukes to wipe Israel off of the map, and have said so on live TV in recent weeks!
2) They overtly harbor and finance terrorists from nearly every known terrorist group on the planet, including some of the world's most wanted!
3) They just gave the entire world the finger and reopened their nuclear research facilities.
4) They have directly financed and orchestrated terrorist attacks around the globe via Hezbollah which was formed and led by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard itself!
5) THEY WANT TO NUKE ISRAEL AND THE US OFF THE MAP!!!111 Did I already say that?
6) They consistently send troops, supplies, and finances over the boarder to the insurgent groups in Iraq AND Afghanistan; who are then killing our troops every week using said troops, financing, and supplies.

hmm... what else?! how about BECAUSE THEY SEEM TO BE SOME OF THE MOST EVIL SOB's ON THE PLANET, and they would like nothing more than to see every Jew, Christian on the planet DEAD?!

need I go on, or will you try to dismiss all of the above as some sort of hyperbole?

2) Iran supports Israel terrorist group Hezbollah which was created to get Israel out of Lebanon. The most well known terrorist group is Al-Qaeda which Iran does not support.

3) Iran is not breaking any international laws with their nuclear program. None. It is all legal.

5) Iran never said they want to nuke Israel off the map. Iran has chemical weapons. The size of Israel + chemical weapons = total destruction of Israeli people.

6) There is no evidence to suggest Iran is sending anything over the border to help with the Iraq insurgency. 99% of the Insurgents are Arab. Iranians are not Arab.
-If the U.S had a strong case about this they would be showing the evidence. Iran is fighting their own Arab insurgency in Iran.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: conjur
To attack Iran would require a huge # of troops and would result in a much larger casualty count as well as cost a tremendous amount more in deficit spending. That's three strikes, imo.

it's seems to me that you are only worried about the cost, not the reasons...

What reasons?

gee, i dont know, how about...

1) They are led by maniacs who want nukes to wipe Israel off of the map, and have said so on live TV in recent weeks!
2) They overtly harbor and finance terrorists from nearly every known terrorist group on the planet, including some of the world's most wanted!
3) They just gave the entire world the finger and reopened their nuclear research facilities.
4) They have directly financed and orchestrated terrorist attacks around the globe via Hezbollah which was formed and led by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard itself!
5) THEY WANT TO NUKE ISRAEL AND THE US OFF THE MAP!!!111 Did I already say that?
6) They consistently send troops, supplies, and finances over the boarder to the insurgent groups in Iraq AND Afghanistan; who are then killing our troops every week using said troops, financing, and supplies.

hmm... what else?! how about BECAUSE THEY SEEM TO BE SOME OF THE MOST EVIL SOB's ON THE PLANET, and they would like nothing more than to see every Jew, Christian on the planet DEAD?!

need I go on, or will you try to dismiss all of the above as some sort of hyperbole?

gee, warmonger much? This is the problem with setting the precedent of going on the offensive first with military action. As far as Iran is concerned nothing has changed in the last 20-30 years that would signify an increased threat to Isreal and the US. And Iran hasn't done anything that can't be resolved using diplomatic means with respect to their nuclear programs, but let's just go to war with them instead right?

The fact that Iran and North Korea are ramping up nuclear programs is a direct result of the west failing to focus on diplomatic solutions instead of military solutions. I cannot blame the NK or Iran for their actions, when the rest of the world kicked Sadaam and Iraq around, they no doubt understand that they are next.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: conjur
To attack Iran would require a huge # of troops and would result in a much larger casualty count as well as cost a tremendous amount more in deficit spending. That's three strikes, imo.

it's seems to me that you are only worried about the cost, not the reasons...

What reasons?

gee, i dont know, how about...

1) They are led by maniacs who want nukes to wipe Israel off of the map, and have said so on live TV in recent weeks!
2) They overtly harbor and finance terrorists from nearly every known terrorist group on the planet, including some of the world's most wanted!
3) They just gave the entire world the finger and reopened their nuclear research facilities.
4) They have directly financed and orchestrated terrorist attacks around the globe via Hezbollah which was formed and led by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard itself!
5) THEY WANT TO NUKE ISRAEL AND THE US OFF THE MAP!!!111 Did I already say that?
6) They consistently send troops, supplies, and finances over the boarder to the insurgent groups in Iraq AND Afghanistan; who are then killing our troops every week using said troops, financing, and supplies.

hmm... what else?! how about BECAUSE THEY SEEM TO BE SOME OF THE MOST EVIL SOB's ON THE PLANET, and they would like nothing more than to see every Jew, Christian on the planet DEAD?!

need I go on, or will you try to dismiss all of the above as some sort of hyperbole?

Well, who do they think they are, their own country or something??

how in the HELL does their being a sovereign nation excuse those offenses!?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: conjur
To attack Iran would require a huge # of troops and would result in a much larger casualty count as well as cost a tremendous amount more in deficit spending. That's three strikes, imo.

it's seems to me that you are only worried about the cost, not the reasons...

What reasons?

gee, i dont know, how about...

1) They are led by maniacs who want nukes to wipe Israel off of the map, and have said so on live TV in recent weeks!
2) They overtly harbor and finance terrorists from nearly every known terrorist group on the planet, including some of the world's most wanted!
3) They just gave the entire world the finger and reopened their nuclear research facilities.
4) They have directly financed and orchestrated terrorist attacks around the globe via Hezbollah which was formed and led by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard itself!
5) THEY WANT TO NUKE ISRAEL AND THE US OFF THE MAP!!!111 Did I already say that?
6) They consistently send troops, supplies, and finances over the boarder to the insurgent groups in Iraq AND Afghanistan; who are then killing our troops every week using said troops, financing, and supplies.

hmm... what else?! how about BECAUSE THEY SEEM TO BE SOME OF THE MOST EVIL SOB's ON THE PLANET, and they would like nothing more than to see every Jew, Christian on the planet DEAD?!

need I go on, or will you try to dismiss all of the above as some sort of hyperbole?

gee, warmonger much? This is the problem with setting the precedent of going on the offensive first with military action. As far as Iran is concerned nothing has changed in the last 20-30 years that would signify an increased threat to Isreal and the US. And Iran hasn't done anything that can't be resolved using diplomatic means with respect to their nuclear programs, but let's just go to war with them instead right?

The fact that Iran and North Korea are ramping up nuclear programs is a direct result of the west failing to focus on diplomatic solutions instead of military solutions. I cannot blame the NK or Iran for their actions, when the rest of the world kicked Sadaam and Iraq around, they no doubt understand that they are next.

Well thankfully most of the civilized world leaders disagree with you on this one. We'll see hwo well diplomacy works for the next few months when this is brought before the UN Security Council. My bet is that Iran plays along for a while, without giving in at all in the end...

And there is a timeline involved here. Some estimates say that they may have nuclear-capable missiles by the end of March, or early April. I can assure you that Israel will never let them come that close to possessing nukes, trust me on that.

I truly pray that you are correct and that diplomacy solves the problem; however, based on the immaturity and fanaticism that Iran's leadership has proven themselves to possess, I seriously have my doubts that they'll EVER comply with world pressure. They THINK that having their oil as blackmail will be enough to deter the world, but they are very wrong; especially with Israel watching them with a keen eye...

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: conjur
To attack Iran would require a huge # of troops and would result in a much larger casualty count as well as cost a tremendous amount more in deficit spending. That's three strikes, imo.

it's seems to me that you are only worried about the cost, not the reasons...

What reasons?

gee, i dont know, how about...

1) They are led by maniacs who want nukes to wipe Israel off of the map, and have said so on live TV in recent weeks!
2) They overtly harbor and finance terrorists from nearly every known terrorist group on the planet, including some of the world's most wanted!
3) They just gave the entire world the finger and reopened their nuclear research facilities.
4) They have directly financed and orchestrated terrorist attacks around the globe via Hezbollah which was formed and led by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard itself!
5) THEY WANT TO NUKE ISRAEL AND THE US OFF THE MAP!!!111 Did I already say that?
6) They consistently send troops, supplies, and finances over the boarder to the insurgent groups in Iraq AND Afghanistan; who are then killing our troops every week using said troops, financing, and supplies.

hmm... what else?! how about BECAUSE THEY SEEM TO BE SOME OF THE MOST EVIL SOB's ON THE PLANET, and they would like nothing more than to see every Jew, Christian on the planet DEAD?!

need I go on, or will you try to dismiss all of the above as some sort of hyperbole?

Well, who do they think they are, their own country or something??

how in the HELL does their being a sovereign nation excuse those offenses!?

Irregardless of what offenses they have (or have not?) committed, war is always the last resort. You'd think the mess we're in in Iraq would be enough of a lesson to the US in the "value" of pre-emptive strike/bombing other nations.

To push for another such attack is ludicrous IMO. Maybe if Bush hadn't blown all his credibility on WMD's?????

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Aimster
2) Iran supports Israel terrorist group Hezbollah which was created to get Israel out of Lebanon. The most well known terrorist group is Al-Qaeda which Iran does not support.

That may be the foundation upon which Hezbollah was created, but they certainly have not limited their acts of terror to Lebanon and Israel. Hebollah has worked hand-in0hand for YEARS with other terrorist organizations, INCLUDING Al Qaeda. Google is your friend, or better yet, go read ANY book about them.

3) Iran is not breaking any international laws with their nuclear program. None. It is all legal.

Wrong, they are directly disobbeying the laws governing atomic energy and participation in the UN. Why is do you think that EU3, the US, and everyone else are holding them accountable for reopening those facilities? It is because they have directly violated International mandates and laws.

5) Iran never said they want to nuke Israel off the map. Iran has chemical weapons. The size of Israel + chemical weapons = total destruction of Israeli people.

Ahh, you have no idea just how much MORE powerful a nuclear weapon is, do you?

6) There is no evidence to suggest Iran is sending anything over the border to help with the Iraq insurgency. 99% of the Insurgents are Arab. Iranians are not Arab.
-If the U.S had a strong case about this they would be showing the evidence. Iran is fighting their own Arab insurgency in Iran.

Wrong again.
Iran sending supplies and aid to Iraqi insurgents:
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=4577
http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,12858,1585931,00.html
http://nyjtimes.com/cover/11-11-05/IranWarnedNotToMeddle.htm
etc etc...

Like I said before, Google is your friend.. or read books. Whatever the case, you are wrong on every point.

G'day

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: conjur
To attack Iran would require a huge # of troops and would result in a much larger casualty count as well as cost a tremendous amount more in deficit spending. That's three strikes, imo.

it's seems to me that you are only worried about the cost, not the reasons...

What reasons?

gee, i dont know, how about...

1) They are led by maniacs who want nukes to wipe Israel off of the map, and have said so on live TV in recent weeks!
2) They overtly harbor and finance terrorists from nearly every known terrorist group on the planet, including some of the world's most wanted!
3) They just gave the entire world the finger and reopened their nuclear research facilities.
4) They have directly financed and orchestrated terrorist attacks around the globe via Hezbollah which was formed and led by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard itself!
5) THEY WANT TO NUKE ISRAEL AND THE US OFF THE MAP!!!111 Did I already say that?
6) They consistently send troops, supplies, and finances over the boarder to the insurgent groups in Iraq AND Afghanistan; who are then killing our troops every week using said troops, financing, and supplies.

hmm... what else?! how about BECAUSE THEY SEEM TO BE SOME OF THE MOST EVIL SOB's ON THE PLANET, and they would like nothing more than to see every Jew, Christian on the planet DEAD?!

need I go on, or will you try to dismiss all of the above as some sort of hyperbole?

Well, who do they think they are, their own country or something??

how in the HELL does their being a sovereign nation excuse those offenses!?

Irregardless of what offenses they have (or have not?) committed, war is always the last resort. You'd think the mess we're in in Iraq would be enough of a lesson to the US in the "value" of pre-emptive strike/bombing other nations.

To push for another such attack is ludicrous IMO. Maybe if Bush hadn't blown all his credibility on WMD's?????

The entire world agrees that what Iran has done is wrong, and dangerous. Bush is not alone on this one, so you had better wake up and get behind the efforts this time, IF diplomacy fails. What will your excuses for opposition be if/when the entire civilized world attacks Iran? What in the hell is it going to take to make you realize that the ball is in IRAN'S court, not ours?!

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: conjur
To attack Iran would require a huge # of troops and would result in a much larger casualty count as well as cost a tremendous amount more in deficit spending. That's three strikes, imo.

it's seems to me that you are only worried about the cost, not the reasons...

What reasons?

gee, i dont know, how about...

1) They are led by maniacs who want nukes to wipe Israel off of the map, and have said so on live TV in recent weeks!
2) They overtly harbor and finance terrorists from nearly every known terrorist group on the planet, including some of the world's most wanted!
3) They just gave the entire world the finger and reopened their nuclear research facilities.
4) They have directly financed and orchestrated terrorist attacks around the globe via Hezbollah which was formed and led by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard itself!
5) THEY WANT TO NUKE ISRAEL AND THE US OFF THE MAP!!!111 Did I already say that?
6) They consistently send troops, supplies, and finances over the boarder to the insurgent groups in Iraq AND Afghanistan; who are then killing our troops every week using said troops, financing, and supplies.

hmm... what else?! how about BECAUSE THEY SEEM TO BE SOME OF THE MOST EVIL SOB's ON THE PLANET, and they would like nothing more than to see every Jew, Christian on the planet DEAD?!

need I go on, or will you try to dismiss all of the above as some sort of hyperbole?

Well, who do they think they are, their own country or something??

how in the HELL does their being a sovereign nation excuse those offenses!?

Irregardless of what offenses they have (or have not?) committed, war is always the last resort. You'd think the mess we're in in Iraq would be enough of a lesson to the US in the "value" of pre-emptive strike/bombing other nations.

To push for another such attack is ludicrous IMO. Maybe if Bush hadn't blown all his credibility on WMD's?????

The entire world agrees that what Iran has done is wrong, and dangerous. Bush is not alone on this one, so you had better wake up and get behind the efforts this time, IF diplomacy fails. What will your excuses for opposition be if/when the entire civilized world attacks Iran? What in the hell is it going to take to make you realize that the ball is in IRAN'S court, not ours?!

Well, if the entire world agrees, then let them do the dirty work for a change.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Well thankfully most of the civilized world leaders disagree with you on this one. We'll see hwo well diplomacy works for the next few months when this is brought before the UN Security Council. My bet is that Iran plays along for a while, without giving in at all in the end...

And there is a timeline involved here. Some estimates say that they may have nuclear-capable missiles by the end of March, or early April. I can assure you that Israel will never let them come that close to possessing nukes, trust me on that.

I truly pray that you are correct and that diplomacy solves the problem; however, based on the immaturity and fanaticism that Iran's leadership has proven themselves to possess, I seriously have my doubts that they'll EVER comply with world pressure. They THINK that having their oil as blackmail will be enough to deter the world, but they are very wrong; especially with Israel watching them with a keen eye...[/quote]

IF the UN and the entire world finds Iran to be in non-compliance, then sanctions will be imposed by the UN security council. There is no need for a war to be declared by Mr. Bush. If military action is required, let the world deal with it.

I think that a nuclear program, functioning and verified, is what countries like NK and Iran want, it's a bargaining chip, not an act of war. Surprisingly we always underestimate the intelligence of these governments, Its obvious they want something in return for dismantling nuclear programs. We need to have a dialogue, as a world community, to figure out what the next step is.

I just don't think the next step is war. Russia, at the height of the cold war, posed much more of a threat than Iran or NK as they are today. They don't have missles pointed at anybody right now. And they are not stupid, they don't want war anymore than we do...we...don't want war right?

 

[tommywishbone]

Update: Today was a filthy bloody mess in Iraq. Thank you, carry on.


Edit: Because my spelling is worse than my grammar.