Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: marincounty
How nice, you've been welcomed into homes for tea..witnessed new schools being built..
seen wells dug...
I suppose that's the new rationale for the war, to build schools and hospitals.
Let's see, no WMD, no connection to Al Qaeda, no threat to the US-but we're building schools.
Meanwhile, our schools are crumbling, hospitals are closing, but we have unlimited money for Iraq. How about another round of tax cuts?
it's always funny to see liberals complain about paying for other peoples' problems... the irony in that belief is nearly beyond comprehension.
Just let me get this straight: when is it ok to help out another person?
Last point: if you dont believe in the current threats to the US, then you are beyond ignorant, or you live in dreamland...or both. Will it take another building blowing up to convince you otherwise? How about another dozen embassies or so being blown to pieces? At which point will you wake up and say "duh, i guess they really do want to kill us all...derrrr" ?
Maybe I, and those like me, should let the next bomb go off instead of working to stop them... maybe that would remind you that we really and truly are at war with more fanatical enemies than you can imagine, and with more conviction than you can fathom.
Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Your point was the war is costing us $1000 per person and you'd pay your share. The only thing I was trying to point out is that we don't have 300 million taxpayers, so your $1000 perperson figure isn't really accurate in figuring your share. It needs to be figured by the number of people who are actually paying taxes.
I only mentioned SS to try and illustrate my point, because most people on SS aren't paying any federal income taxes so someone will have to pay their share, because they sure can't afford to pay it.
I said write a check (a personal one), I never mentioned tax payers. It's just a simple concept to illustrate a point. Of course most could not afford the $1000, so I'm willing to roll back those trillion dollar tax cuts for the rich, sacrifice and all.
Originally posted by: palehorse74
For the record, I am nobodies "pawn." If I bend to the will of another, it's by choice and choice alone. I also research these subjects myself through first-hand experience, travel, discourse with every interested party, and more books than you can possibly imagine. That sure as hell trumps those of you who spit propoganda and rhetoric that always sounds like it comes straight of a "How to emulate your hero Michael Moore" guidebook.
"Your social-communist propoganda is a joke Laruso!"
oh yes, that's right. I just swept the leg...
Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Will it take another building blowing up to convince you otherwise? How about another dozen embassies or so being blown to pieces? At which point will you wake up and say "duh, i guess they really do want to kill us all...derrrr" ?
Maybe I, and those like me, should let the next bomb go off instead of working to stop them... maybe that would remind you that we really and truly are at war with more enemies than you can imagine, and with more conviction than you can fathom.
You sound scared and frightened, I suppose the terrorist already won in your neck of the woods. Us "liberals" in the blue states, you know the states where terrorist attack, not bum-fck nowhere-land, except risk and brave it. We don't surrender to our fears and let the government turn the land of the free into the land of the police state. Seek therapy, you have nothing to fear but fear itself.
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: marincounty
How nice, you've been welcomed into homes for tea..witnessed new schools being built..
seen wells dug...
I suppose that's the new rationale for the war, to build schools and hospitals.
Let's see, no WMD, no connection to Al Qaeda, no threat to the US-but we're building schools.
Meanwhile, our schools are crumbling, hospitals are closing, but we have unlimited money for Iraq. How about another round of tax cuts?
it's always funny to see liberals complain about paying for other peoples' problems... the irony in that belief is nearly beyond comprehension.
Just let me get this straight: when is it ok to help out another person?
Last point: if you dont believe in the current threats to the US, then you are beyond ignorant, or you live in dreamland...or both. Will it take another building blowing up to convince you otherwise? How about another dozen embassies or so being blown to pieces? At which point will you wake up and say "duh, i guess they really do want to kill us all...derrrr" ?
Maybe I, and those like me, should let the next bomb go off instead of working to stop them... maybe that would remind you that we really and truly are at war with more fanatical enemies than you can imagine, and with more conviction than you can fathom.
Originally posted by: conjur
You're not a pawn, palehorse74?
Well, read this:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=52&threadid=1773833&enterthread=y
Originally posted by: palehorse74
uhh, I think you missed the point. I do not fear those things, because I live them. It's the common citizen who needs to fear them and therefore recognize the ever-present threat against them.
second, I'm in Washington DC... so woot! nice job on that whole "bum-fck nowhere-land" theory.
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Yeah, when we find that bomb, you'll volunteer to guard it so nobody can disarm it right. LMAO.
If you don't let me fight terrorism, I'll terrorize you. DUHHHHH!
you know that is not what I meant with the bomb comment. I was making the point that too many people have forgotten the real reasons we are at war, and that is why they cant comprehend that it may take 50 more years to end it.
forget all of the propoganda for one second, and it all comes down to two things:
1) making the Greater Middle East better in every way.
2) Killing every last terrorist who wishes that America be destroyed.
3) Making the US more secure and more financially stable.
very worthy missions if you ask me.
ps: ok, im really leaving this time...
Originally posted by: palehorse74
I wish that all of my fellow Americans would rediscover the concepts of "conviction" and "sacrifice;" concepts that were alive and well no more than 50 years ago, but have somehow been left behind in the dust of the "I Want it Here and Now" generation.
Less than 3000 US dead in 4+ years of fighting OEF and OIF... As a soldier, I recognize the possibility of and necessity for death in warfare, and I accept it. Why can't all Americans do the same?
The goal in Iraq and Afghanistan is to democratize the middle east and Central Asia; and thus bring them out of the 7th century. Is it possible? I guess we'll have to wait and see. The point is that the overall intentions are worthy of respect, and it's therefore worth the effort to actually WAIT and see!
This is a long-term project folks. This is not a 1hr TV-series episode wherein the good guys overcome the bad guys in 60minutes or less. This "war" will be one that takes decades! Don't you all understand that!?
In the end, I believe that we (The Western civilized world) can triumph.
But for that to happen, it's going to take conviction and more sacrifice on everyone's part.
The goal here is to make our childrens' children safe. Is that too abstract or intangible for you to fathom or accept?
Stay the course people, and for God's sake, please don't politically force a premature withdrawal. -I- am willing to go over there time and time again to do my part in building their nations. All I ask, if you are not willing to risk your own arse, is that you support me and give the entire mission time to succeed (decades) so as not to make my efforts and sacrifice null and void.
Dont you get it? Are you simply too soft or afraid to accept the longterm sacrifices?
FACT: More than 2500 US soldiers died in a single day of fighting on D-day. The men and women of that era damn well knew the true meanings of the words conviction and sacrifice.
Wake up people. Please.
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Yeah, when we find that bomb, you'll volunteer to guard it so nobody can disarm it right. LMAO.
If you don't let me fight terrorism, I'll terrorize you. DUHHHHH!
you know that is not what I meant with the bomb comment. I was making the point that too many people have forgotten the real reasons we are at war, and that is why they cant comprehend that it may take 50 more years to end it.
forget all of the propoganda for one second, and it all comes down to two things:
1) making the Greater Middle East better in every way.
2) Killing every last terrorist who wishes that America be destroyed.
3) Making the US more secure and more financially stable.
very worthy missions if you ask me.
ps: ok, im really leaving this time...
I just don't believe that a democracy will last there unless they can organize themselves enough to fight for it themselves. It's like give them a fish or teach them to fish. Right now we seem to be giving them the fish when we should be teaching them to fish.
Originally posted by: mc00
sarcasm on]
give this guy an oscar....
[sarcasm off]
Originally posted by: palehorse74
we have seen children run toward us with smiles the size and brightness of suns; always ready with a hug!
Originally posted by: palehorse74
I wish that all of my fellow Americans would rediscover the concepts of "conviction" and "sacrifice;" concepts that were alive and well no more than 50 years ago, but have somehow been left behind in the dust of the "I Want it Here and Now" generation.
Less than 3000 US dead in 4+ years of fighting OEF and OIF... As a soldier, I recognize the possibility of and necessity for death in warfare, and I accept it. Why can't all Americans do the same?
The goal in Iraq and Afghanistan is to democratize the middle east and Central Asia; and thus bring them out of the 7th century. Is it possible? I guess we'll have to wait and see. The point is that the overall intentions are worthy of respect, and it's therefore worth the effort to actually WAIT and see!
This is a long-term project folks. This is not a 1hr TV-series episode wherein the good guys overcome the bad guys in 60minutes or less. This "war" will be one that takes decades! Don't you all understand that!?
In the end, I believe that we (The Western civilized world) can triumph.
But for that to happen, it's going to take conviction and more sacrifice on everyone's part.
The goal here is to make our childrens' children safe. Is that too abstract or intangible for you to fathom or accept?
Stay the course people, and for God's sake, please don't politically force a premature withdrawal. -I- am willing to go over there time and time again to do my part in building their nations. All I ask, if you are not willing to risk your own arse, is that you support me and give the entire mission time to succeed (decades) so as not to make my efforts and sacrifice null and void.
Dont you get it? Are you simply too soft or afraid to accept the longterm sacrifices?
FACT: More than 2500 US soldiers died in a single day of fighting on D-day. The men and women of that era damn well knew the true meanings of the words conviction and sacrifice.
Wake up people. Please.
To a Bush apologist, perhaps. To those of us not trying desperately to spin his dishonest act of aggression, these deaths reinforce why a "war" must always be the last resort, why we must use such force only when there is an urgent and otherwise insurmountable threat to America, why we must never send our men and women to die for a lie.Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Why? That's all this "omg people are dying in war" translates to.Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
You're an ass.Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Waaaaaa people die in war? Waaaaa! No way! MOMMY! Why do people die in war!? Why don't they shoot at eachother with beebee guns!?!??!?! WAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
I just heard that on the news. R.I.P.Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Death toll from today's attack is over 130 with 7 U.S. soldiers killed.Originally posted by: conjur
Today's death toll is now 110 (163 over the last two days)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5525105,00.html
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Yeah, when we find that bomb, you'll volunteer to guard it so nobody can disarm it right. LMAO.
If you don't let me fight terrorism, I'll terrorize you. DUHHHHH!
you know that is not what I meant with the bomb comment. I was making the point that too many people have forgotten the real reasons we are at war, and that is why they cant comprehend that it may take 50 more years to end it.
forget all of the propoganda for one second, and it all comes down to two things:
1) making the Greater Middle East better in every way.
2) Killing every last terrorist who wishes that America be destroyed.
3) Making the US more secure and more financially stable.
very worthy missions if you ask me.
ps: ok, im really leaving this time...
Those "real" reasons came long after the first dozen or so "real" reasons. WMD, Mushroom Clouds, African Uranium, Aluminium Tubes, links to Al Queda, Attack Drones!, stockpiles around Tikrit. All just vapour, yet all "real" reasons that started the war.
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Yeah, when we find that bomb, you'll volunteer to guard it so nobody can disarm it right. LMAO.
If you don't let me fight terrorism, I'll terrorize you. DUHHHHH!
you know that is not what I meant with the bomb comment. I was making the point that too many people have forgotten the real reasons we are at war, and that is why they cant comprehend that it may take 50 more years to end it.
forget all of the propoganda for one second, and it all comes down to two things:
1) making the Greater Middle East better in every way.
2) Killing every last terrorist who wishes that America be destroyed.
3) Making the US more secure and more financially stable.
very worthy missions if you ask me.
ps: ok, im really leaving this time...
"1) making the Greater Middle East better in every way. "
man I'm sorry to be rude but fck man, is not our fckin ' job to protect the world and convert them to Democracy, is up to them and is there choice if they want to be free land... even most of those country claim United State is flawed within own Democracy... if they want our help let them come to us, with no string attachs.
"2) Killing every last terrorist who wishes that America be destroyed."
if this was true... damn, I wish I could get rid of all the damn roaches in New York City Apartments. but seriously, I doubt it we going stop terriost completely we destroy one cell and another is going pop out...
"3) Making the US more secure and more financially stable."
how so ? if we spending sh!t load of money into this war... over here what they doing slowly ripping our rights for the name of security. and our boarder freely open and our school going down drain(well new york city) so on so on. We have own problems in the states man. if we want to protect own country than do it right way without stripping people rights don't say is not possible because is BS man.
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Yeah there are GIs who oppose the war, but the vast majority are for it. Ironically those who are seeing the action first-hand too.Originally posted by: DonVito
Actually I know a lot of GIs who oppose the war, but they go because it's their duty. One of my closest friends is the mother of an infant and a toddler, and she's in Balad right now.Originally posted by: BlancoNino
There's a difference between showing compassion and respect to U.S. soldiers killed and whining and complaining they've been killed. You can't support the troops AND support the war solely because the vast majority of the troops support the war. Unless you want to drive around with a sticker that says "I support our troops that don't support the war", but that would look tacky and we wouldn't want that, would we?
Support for President Bush and for the war in Iraq has slipped significantly in the last year among members of the military?s professional core, according to the 2005 Military Times Poll.
Approval of the president?s Iraq policy fell 9 percentage points from 2004; a bare majority, 54 percent, now say they view his performance on Iraq as favorable. Support for his overall performance fell 11 points, to 60 percent, among active-duty readers
of the Military Times newspapers.
[...]
The drops in support seen in the Military Times Poll are ?real drops, but I see them as reflecting the tone of the country,? said David Segal, a military sociologist at the University of Maryland. ?People in the military talk to folks back home. Eventually, the military does catch up [with public opinion].? Other changes from ?04
I wouldn't call 54% a "vast majority".The poll asked active-duty members if they believed several leadership institutions had the military?s best interests at heart. The results:
? 58 percent agreed that President Bush had their best interests at heart, down 11 percentage points from a year ago.
? 64 percent agreed that senior uniformed leaders had their best interests at heart, down six points.
? Congress saw the most dramatic drop: Just 31 percent agreed Congress looked out for their best interests, less than half the number a year ago.
It is unclear whether respondents identified Congress more with the current Republican leadership , or with minority Democrats who have increasingly called for a quick pullout from Iraq , something most poll respondents oppose. Based on follow-up interviews with poll respondents, the heated debate itself may be a factor.
?Collectively, they can?t make a decision together,? said Navy Machinist?s Mate 1st Class James McKelvy, an instructor at the U.S. Naval Academy. ?It?s really hard to take orders from a body of people that really seems like they don?t have their act together.? Well-publicized problems supplying combat equipment may have hurt the image of leaders across the board.
?It takes a major war for us to decide to put armor on our vehicles and put armor on our troops,? said Marine Staff Sgt. Jeremy Jensen. ?It?s taken so long to even up-armor all of our Humvees.?
The drop also may be tied to pay and benefits issues. A declining percentage rate their pay and allowances as excellent, which may reflect smaller pay increases in recent budgets. Federal officials also have taken criticism for shortfalls in funding for veterans? health care.
A riot outside Baghdad has left two dead and dozens injured. Hundreds of Iraqis took to the streets of Nasiriyah (nah-sih-REE'-uh) yesterday to protest the state of unemployment in Iraq.
Originally posted by: conjur
01/06/06 AP: Hundreds protest unemployment in Iraq
http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=4327866
A riot outside Baghdad has left two dead and dozens injured. Hundreds of Iraqis took to the streets of Nasiriyah (nah-sih-REE'-uh) yesterday to protest the state of unemployment in Iraq.
Yeah, so much has improved.