Situation In Iraq Has Worsened

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
The people of Iraq were our enemy? They were a threat? You want to impose democracy at the barrel of a gun? Yeah, that'll work.

When will you neocons realize that everything you've EVER said about this war has been WRONG and everything we've (the sane Americans) been saying has been DEAD-ON RIGHT?

How many times will you guys have to proved wrong before it sinks into your head?

right back at ya. Some of us know the truth becuase we are up to our necks in it, while some of you make your "profound decisions" regarding foreign policy and geopolitics from the safety and comforts of Ft. LivingRoom.

That makes you worse than the average Monday-morning Quarterback because you've never even played the f'n game.

Get a clue. Enlist and see for yourselves all of the beautiful gifts and added freedoms we are bringing the people of the Greater Middle East. Take a trip over there and risk your own arse for a change to see it all for yourself. If you do, then I assure you that you will change your mind. We are doing so much good in that region that it physically pains me everytime you, or someone like you, degrades our purpose and accomplishments there; simply because YOU cannot stomach the war, or any war. The concepts of sacrifice and commitment are beyond your reality. You have nothing to personally draw upon to comprehend the big picture. (But I bet you just LOVE to pretend that you do at every dinner party and social gathering you attend! "Listen to me, because I know the truth!")

You dont know jacksh*t about the truth. You would run and hide in Canada before allowing yourself to see the truth.

the sad thing is that I know you'll regret it all when you're old and on your deathbed. When you're lying there next to another dying man who DID serve his country, you'll ask yourself if you are worthy of his respect, and the answer you give yourself will be an emphatic NO. You'll regret never having tested yourself and you'll regret your lack of any real contribution to the greater good. The only thing you actually contribute to the world is carbon dioxide.

And therefore I doubt you'll ever know the truth.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Get a clue. Enlist and see for yourselves all of the beautiful gifts and added freedoms we are bringing the people of the Greater Middle East.

That's not what was sold as the need to invade - a ''Middle Eastern Gift and Beautification Project' was
NOT the mechanism used to leverage the mindset of the American People - fearmongering, lying, and deception was.

Be as gung-ho as you like in your command structure, but it's mission creep - not the original mission.
Urgency of immediate destruction of the United States by Nuclear and Bio-Chemical means was sold.
It was a boldfaced lie by thids administration, and they knew it going in - there would be little, if anything, found.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
The people of Iraq were our enemy? They were a threat? You want to impose democracy at the barrel of a gun? Yeah, that'll work.

When will you neocons realize that everything you've EVER said about this war has been WRONG and everything we've (the sane Americans) been saying has been DEAD-ON RIGHT?

How many times will you guys have to proved wrong before it sinks into your head?

Get a clue. Enlist and see for yourselves all of the beautiful gifts and added freedoms we are bringing the people of the Greater Middle East. Take a trip over there and risk your own arse for a change to see it all for yourself.

Here's some truth for you:

http://dahrjamailiraq.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album28&page=1

 

[Orignal Earl]

Troops sound off

Support for President Bush and for the war in Iraq has slipped significantly in the last year among members of the military?s professional core, according to the 2005 Military Times Poll.

Approval of the president?s Iraq policy fell 9 percentage points from 2004; a bare majority, 54 percent, now say they view his performance on Iraq as favorable. Support for his overall performance fell 11 points, to 60 percent, among active-duty readers
of the Military Times newspapers. Though support both for President Bush and for the war in Iraq remains significantly higher than in the public as a whole, the drop is likely to add further fuel to the heated debate over Iraq policy.

As in the previous two years, Military Times Poll respondents were reluctant to express opinions, even anonymously, about the commander in chief or his policies. About one in five refused to say whether they approved of the president?s performance on Iraq or overall.

?That?s my boss,? Army Lt. Col. Earnestine Beatty said in a follow-up interview. ?I can?t comment.? Kohn said he worried that asking such questions of military members and publishing the results could tarnish the military?s image as a nonpartisan institution.

The poll ?tends to communicate to the American people that the military is just like any other interest group,? Kohn said. ?We want the public image of the military to be decidedly apolitical."

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
The people of Iraq were our enemy? They were a threat? You want to impose democracy at the barrel of a gun? Yeah, that'll work.

When will you neocons realize that everything you've EVER said about this war has been WRONG and everything we've (the sane Americans) been saying has been DEAD-ON RIGHT?

How many times will you guys have to proved wrong before it sinks into your head?

right back at ya. Some of us know the truth becuase we are up to our necks in it, while some of you make your "profound decisions" regarding foreign policy and geopolitics from the safety and comforts of Ft. LivingRoom.

That makes you worse than the average Monday-morning Quarterback because you've never even played the f'n game.

Get a clue. Enlist and see for yourselves all of the beautiful gifts and added freedoms we are bringing the people of the Greater Middle East. Take a trip over there and risk your own arse for a change to see it all for yourself. If you do, then I assure you that you will change your mind. We are doing so much good in that region that it physically pains me everytime you, or someone like you, degrades our purpose and accomplishments there; simply because YOU cannot stomach the war, or any war. The concepts of sacrifice and commitment are beyond your reality. You have nothing to personally draw upon to comprehend the big picture. (But I bet you just LOVE to pretend that you do at every dinner party and social gathering you attend! "Listen to me, because I know the truth!")

You dont know jacksh*t about the truth. You would run and hide in Canada before allowing yourself to see the truth.

the sad thing is that I know you'll regret it all when you're old and on your deathbed. When you're lying there next to another dying man who DID serve his country, you'll ask yourself if you are worthy of his respect, and the answer you give yourself will be an emphatic NO. You'll regret never having tested yourself and you'll regret your lack of any real contribution to the greater good. The only thing you actually contribute to the world is carbon dioxide.

And therefore I doubt you'll ever know the truth.

Don't you know, it's all a liberal conspiracy to discredit all our fine, young cannibals?

Seriously though, I think that if Bush would have actually had to make some of the sacrafices people like you have had to make, that he would have never started the war with Iraq in the first place. He had a chance to make himself a place in history as a great President and isntead will likely go down as one of the worst.

Only time will tell what the "truth" really is, but it keeps looking more and more like a BIG mistake to me. According to the public opinion polls, the rest of America must think so too.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Acanthus
The fact of the matter is... we destroyed an enemy.

You guys squawk your stupid little one liners about "mission accomplished" (which was about defeating saddams regime, which obviously was accomplished, cry more) and "wheres bin laden?" (like its easy to find a guy hiding in pakistan among thousands of people spanning thousands of miles of mountains).

So our intelligence about WMD was wrong... the fact is, we eliminated an enemy to the US, and are building a democratic nation in its place.

People die in war, we get it.

I have friends in Iraq right now, and the 1st thing they tell me about the war is NOTHING good is covered by the media, and its NOTHING like its depicted.

The people of Iraq were our enemy? They were a threat? You want to impose democracy at the barrel of a gun? Yeah, that'll work.

When will you neocons realize that everything you've EVER said about this war has been WRONG and everything we've (the sane Americans) been saying has been DEAD-ON RIGHT?

How many times will you guys have to proved wrong before it sinks into your head?

This is like the 5th time ive been a "you neocons" from you.

Im an independant voter, that strongly disagrees on a lot of issues on both of your moronic sides.

 

[tommywishbone]

Oh yes, those Iraqi 6 yr olds were surely our enemy. And that old lady sitting in her mud house.... evil. And that donkey cart driver was planning to kill me.

A terrified cowardly mind can justify anything. Sieg Heil!

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: tommywishbone
Oh yes, those Iraqi 6 yr olds were surely our enemy. And that old lady sitting in her mud house.... evil. And that donkey cart driver was planning to kill me.

A terrified cowardly mind can justify anything. Sieg Heil!

so now you're calling us baby killers? are you attempting to say that we are all warmongers who intentionally target noncombatants?

get a clue you ignorant fool, and stick those accusations up where they belong!

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
The people of Iraq were our enemy? They were a threat? You want to impose democracy at the barrel of a gun? Yeah, that'll work.

When will you neocons realize that everything you've EVER said about this war has been WRONG and everything we've (the sane Americans) been saying has been DEAD-ON RIGHT?

How many times will you guys have to proved wrong before it sinks into your head?

Get a clue. Enlist and see for yourselves all of the beautiful gifts and added freedoms we are bringing the people of the Greater Middle East. Take a trip over there and risk your own arse for a change to see it all for yourself.

Here's some truth for you:

http://dahrjamailiraq.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album28&page=1

I know that truth moreso than you can ever imagine. YOU on the other hand are about as close to that truth sitting behind your PC as you will ever be. Save the images of blood and gore for your marches and rallies. Some of us have seen our own buddies in the same condition, and everytime you "feel sorry" for our enemies, you sh*t on our own who have given all they had for their Country...in other words, for YOU!

And anyone who knows the true story of the Battle for Fallujah will tell you: the noncombatant citizens were given WEEKS to leave, and they did leave. Everyone that stayed behind was an enemy of the free Iraq, and therefore an enemy of ours. So their deaths were well deserved.

How soon you all forget the images of our own civilian truck drivers getting their heads cut off with dull knives. It would do you some good to watch THOSE videos and remember who it is we are fighting, and why.

like I said, get a clue.

 

[tommywishbone]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: tommywishbone
Oh yes, those Iraqi 6 yr olds were surely our enemy. And that old lady sitting in her mud house.... evil. And that donkey cart driver was planning to kill me.

A terrified cowardly mind can justify anything. Sieg Heil!

so now you're calling us baby killers? are you attempting to say that we are all warmongers who intentionally target noncombatants?

get a clue you ignorant fool, and stick those accusations up where they belong!

Name calling, oh no! Why are you badmouthing me when you have a Bushler Youth meeting to attend? It must be terrible to live in fear.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
The people of Iraq were our enemy? They were a threat? You want to impose democracy at the barrel of a gun? Yeah, that'll work.

When will you neocons realize that everything you've EVER said about this war has been WRONG and everything we've (the sane Americans) been saying has been DEAD-ON RIGHT?

How many times will you guys have to proved wrong before it sinks into your head?

Get a clue. Enlist and see for yourselves all of the beautiful gifts and added freedoms we are bringing the people of the Greater Middle East. Take a trip over there and risk your own arse for a change to see it all for yourself.

Here's some truth for you:

http://dahrjamailiraq.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album28&page=1

I know that truth moreso than you can ever imagine. YOU on the other hand are about as close to that truth sitting behind your PC as you will ever be. Save the images of blood and gore for your marches and rallies. Some of us have seen our own buddies in the same condition, and everytime you "feel sorry" for our enemies, you sh*t on our own who have given all they had for their Country...in other words, for YOU!

And anyone who knows the true story of the Battle for Fallujah will tell you: the noncombatant citizens were given WEEKS to leave, and they did leave. Everyone that stayed behind was an enemy of the free Iraq, and therefore an enemy of ours. So their deaths were well deserved.

How soon you all forget the images of our own civilian truck drivers getting their heads cut off with dull knives. It would do you some good to watch THOSE videos and remember who it is we are fighting, and why.

like I said, get a clue.

The U.S. military turned back all males between the ages of 15 and 65, IIRC, who tried to leave Fallujah. I posted the story here. The U.S. military admitted it. Go look it up. I'm tired of posting the same stories over and over for the ignorant to ignore.

Those males were then slaughtered as enemy combatants whether they were actually combatants or not because the U.S. military declared them so just as you are.

Now let me ask you this, how would you react if a vastly more powerful nation attacked America, locked down all the males between 15 and 65 in cities, declared them enemy combatants, and then slaughtered them?

Whatever your political or military affiliations, the Bush administration attacked Iraq without cause, unprovoked, and then proceeded to slaughter Iraqi civilians in the name of security, "freedom and democracy", the "war on terror", and whatever excuse they could manage to dream up. But in truth America invaded Iraq without cause and the fact that American troops are over there dying has nothing to do with our security or freedom or WMD or any of the myriad excuses Bush has used to try to justify the unjustifiable invasion and slaughter of Iraqi civilians by an overwhelmingly powerful U.S. force that is now getting their a$$es handed to them and rightfully so.

The invasion of Iraq is based on a lie and nothing can change that. Nothing can rectify it. Nothing can justify it. America has been led down the wrong road for the wrong reasons and until we hold the people who are responsible for these crimes accountable the situation will only continue to get worse no matter how many times George W. Bush or you repeat the lies.

 

[arsbanned]

Weren't 10 or so U.S. soldiers killed the day this fool posted this? Or is it sarcasm? It has to be!

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Acanthus
The fact of the matter is... we destroyed an enemy.

You guys squawk your stupid little one liners about "mission accomplished" (which was about defeating saddams regime, which obviously was accomplished, cry more) and "wheres bin laden?" (like its easy to find a guy hiding in pakistan among thousands of people spanning thousands of miles of mountains).

So our intelligence about WMD was wrong... the fact is, we eliminated an enemy to the US, and are building a democratic nation in its place.

People die in war, we get it.

I have friends in Iraq right now, and the 1st thing they tell me about the war is NOTHING good is covered by the media, and its NOTHING like its depicted.

The people of Iraq were our enemy? They were a threat? You want to impose democracy at the barrel of a gun? Yeah, that'll work.

When will you neocons realize that everything you've EVER said about this war has been WRONG and everything we've (the sane Americans) been saying has been DEAD-ON RIGHT?

How many times will you guys have to proved wrong before it sinks into your head?

This is like the 5th time ive been a "you neocons" from you.

Im an independant voter, that strongly disagrees on a lot of issues on both of your moronic sides.

You support the "Iraq War", the bleeding off of resources so that GWB could get back at Saddam for threatening to kill his Dad, and others are morons? You support the slaughtering of thousands of innocent Iraqis, the maiming of hundreds of U.S. troops in the hunt for weapons that do NOT exist, and others are morons? You support a man who can't even speak English correctly, and others are morons? Which "enemy" (don't forget, we invented Saddam, put him in power, helped him stay in power, gave him weapons, were his "friend") are we going after next, genius? You're not an independent. You're a fool who has bought Bush's load of propaganda.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Yeah, when we find that bomb, you'll volunteer to guard it so nobody can disarm it right. LMAO.

If you don't let me fight terrorism, I'll terrorize you. DUHHHHH!

you know that is not what I meant with the bomb comment. I was making the point that too many people have forgotten the real reasons we are at war, and that is why they cant comprehend that it may take 50 more years to end it.

forget all of the propoganda for one second, and it all comes down to two things:

1) making the Greater Middle East better in every way.
2) Killing every last terrorist who wishes that America be destroyed.
3) Making the US more secure and more financially stable.

very worthy missions if you ask me.

ps: ok, im really leaving this time...

Those "real" reasons came long after the first dozen or so "real" reasons. WMD, Mushroom Clouds, African Uranium, Aluminium Tubes, links to Al Queda, Attack Drones!, stockpiles around Tikrit. All just vapour, yet all "real" reasons that started the war.

that does nothing to discredit the fact that each of those reasons is the truth NOW. Quit living in the past and using old reasons to argue against the war. Instead, step back and realize that we are in it up to our necks now, for the very reasons I listed above, and figure out how to make all 3 of them happen.

Instead of shouting the words "lies" and "pawns" and "cronies," why dont you try planning for 30 more years of war instead. Because THAT is what is coming, and it is our reality. Quit ignoring that and dwelling on mistatements made 3 years ago.

Pulling out now, or anytime soon, will make all 2500+ deaths pointless. You will essentially be ruining everything good that we have accomplished, and you will have made MY efforts wasted.

I cannot and will not accept that, and I'm getting damn sick of people who think they have half a clue forcing their agenda into the limelight. I have a clue. I know the truth. I've seen it first hand for more than 10 years, and I've studied it for twice that long.

If YOU force us to withdraw too soon, then YOU will be to blame for every catastrophe that follows. Can YOU live with that?

I am assisting in building something great and amazing in the middle east while YOU just want ME to cut and run because the price of oil is interfering with your pot and beer budget.

(My use of "YOU" is for anyone and everyone who is lobbying and arguing for us to pull out of the middle east now. If that is YOU, then think long and hard about YOUR role in the DESTRUCTION of the middle-east.)

G'day.

"Truth" is rather relative to you it seems. I merely pointed out the Truth s to why the war was started. You want to rewrite history to put the current "truth" as the reason for the war. Your "truth" is nothing but a Lie.

Certainly the current reason for continuing to be there is different than the reason you got there in the first place, but don't go and start retroactively changing current reasons for the actual reasons.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
The people of Iraq were our enemy? They were a threat? You want to impose democracy at the barrel of a gun? Yeah, that'll work.

When will you neocons realize that everything you've EVER said about this war has been WRONG and everything we've (the sane Americans) been saying has been DEAD-ON RIGHT?

How many times will you guys have to proved wrong before it sinks into your head?

Get a clue. Enlist and see for yourselves all of the beautiful gifts and added freedoms we are bringing the people of the Greater Middle East. Take a trip over there and risk your own arse for a change to see it all for yourself.

Here's some truth for you:

http://dahrjamailiraq.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album28&page=1

I know that truth moreso than you can ever imagine. YOU on the other hand are about as close to that truth sitting behind your PC as you will ever be. Save the images of blood and gore for your marches and rallies. Some of us have seen our own buddies in the same condition, and everytime you "feel sorry" for our enemies, you sh*t on our own who have given all they had for their Country...in other words, for YOU!

And anyone who knows the true story of the Battle for Fallujah will tell you: the noncombatant citizens were given WEEKS to leave, and they did leave. Everyone that stayed behind was an enemy of the free Iraq, and therefore an enemy of ours. So their deaths were well deserved.

How soon you all forget the images of our own civilian truck drivers getting their heads cut off with dull knives. It would do you some good to watch THOSE videos and remember who it is we are fighting, and why.

like I said, get a clue.

Oh yeah...the evil Zarqawi cutting off Berg's head. Yeah...that was Zarqawi alright. Better odds it was a Negroponte-style murder of an American citizen (after all, it was right after Abu Ghraib broke. What better way to try and stuff Abu Ghraib to the background in the media?)

As for people being able to leave Falluja, ummm, never occurred to you that most of the insurgents were the ones leaving? That's why our military is playing whack-a-mole in Iraq. There's nowhere near enough troops to stabilize the nation so the insurgents flit from city to city.

And, http://www.independent.com/cover/Cover956.htm

According to Manning, many Fallujans were reluctant to leave their homes despite being warned that anyone who remained would be killed. Some had no money and no place to go, others wanted to protect what they had, and some didn?t take the threat seriously enough.

I can't imagine the residents of Falluja could have known that the US was going to level their city and use chemical weapons on them.

I got my clue a couple of years ago when I realized how incredibly wrong I was to have been in support of this war. I highly recommend you stop drinking the Kool-Aid and do the same.

 

[Engineer]

OP at wrong time...

that since last Thursday...according to CNN....

 

[arsbanned]

Hell 15 went down so far today. 15 who won't see their parents or friends ever again. Mission Accomplished!

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: arsbanned
Hell 15 went down so far today. 15 who won't see their parents or friends ever again. Mission Accomplished!

It was 17 in the last 24 hours including the 12 on the helicoptor that crashed.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: BBond
but it won't change the absolute fact that George W. Bush lied to the American people, the U.S. Congress, and the world

prove it. prove that he lied. I want audio, video, or paper proof that the President of the United states intentionally lied to everyone.

I'll be over here waiting for your proof... as I've been waiting for the entire 3 years you folks have been spouting that line of total and complete BS.

GL!

/me grabs popcorn to munch on while he reads the inevitable "But we dont need proof...blah blah" nonsense that will no doubt be coming shortly...

For starters, how about you read my sig. It's especially designed for people with short attention spans.

 

[conjur]

All dead in the helicopter crash
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060108/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_helicopter_crash

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
The fact of the matter is... we destroyed an enemy.

You guys squawk your stupid little one liners about "mission accomplished" (which was about defeating saddams regime, which obviously was accomplished, cry more) and "wheres bin laden?" (like its easy to find a guy hiding in pakistan among thousands of people spanning thousands of miles of mountains).

So our intelligence about WMD was wrong... the fact is, we eliminated an enemy to the US, and are building a democratic nation in its place.

People die in war, we get it.

I have friends in Iraq right now, and the 1st thing they tell me about the war is NOTHING good is covered by the media, and its NOTHING like its depicted.

We eliminated an enemy to the US?

Back to OT and take this with you.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Acanthus
The fact of the matter is... we destroyed an enemy.

You guys squawk your stupid little one liners about "mission accomplished" (which was about defeating saddams regime, which obviously was accomplished, cry more) and "wheres bin laden?" (like its easy to find a guy hiding in pakistan among thousands of people spanning thousands of miles of mountains).

So our intelligence about WMD was wrong... the fact is, we eliminated an enemy to the US, and are building a democratic nation in its place.

People die in war, we get it.

I have friends in Iraq right now, and the 1st thing they tell me about the war is NOTHING good is covered by the media, and its NOTHING like its depicted.

We eliminated an enemy to the US?

Back to OT and take this with you.

He was an enemy of the Arabs

We play Arab bodyguard even when Iraq's army had been almost completely destroyed.

 

[sierrita]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Dying.

This is good news.

Before I used to read about 1-5 dying every several days. Now I don't see anything on the front page.

Hi anti-Bush people. Welcome to my thread

It's all good, you ignorant oaf.

 

[BBond]

Saddam and his vast stockpiles of WMD were a grave and gathering threat to every American. Thank God that George W. Bush sent our brave troops to Iraq to sacrifice their lives to protect the "freedoms" that George W. Bush now claims the uniltaeral power and authority to take away.

</sarcasm>

:roll:

 

[BBond]

BTW, thanks to George W. Bush and his entire administration America just blew past another milestone in Iraq.

2,110

And all for a lie.