But that is not what concerns me. You did give your opinion on what you think is happening and that is the very opinion I said I had insufficient data to make. After saying so I then added my gut reaction with the understanding I had nothing with which to back it up but that it felt right to me. You also offered answers to how the issue could be addressed, the anonymous contributor thingi. My comment on that was that I did not know enough to be able to agree that would help.
As for judging, it's a bad habit in my opinion for someone who knows they don't know anything.
If you want to destroy somebody, make them a judge. A saying.
And yet I doubt that will stop majority women workplaces having things like fireman of the month pinup calendars or penis eraser heads on #2 pencils. In my experience that whole call for civility and notions of equality die out rather quickly if women are held to those standards the same as men.
Hell, some of the nastiest work drama I've heard or seen has been woman vs woman. Some called me a judgmental jerk for looking down on and supporting ostrasizing/firing a married city manager of a small town who was caught sleeping with the head of the sewer department (and letting the guy use a city credit card on the side). That female city manager fired the female worker who walked in on them inspecting each other's plumbing. The city lost a hostile work environment lawsuit over that and the manager still kept her job for over a year. PC politics to a tee.
But you know, all dem wimminz coders be upset over some nerd's pron puns.
To understand what I meant by saying you presumed to know things you must be careful not to presume you know what category what I referred to you presuming applied to. here is exactly what I referred to:So what did you mean when you say I was presuming to know things?
So to be clear, you gave your opinion on what you thought was happening and what issues you thought there were. I did the same no?
Dude, you need to keep up.
Lesbian
Gay
Bisexual
Transgender
Queer and/or Questioning,
Asexual and/or (Straight) Ally
+ any other identity a person might have
Ok dude your post is trolling.So you are not impacted by this.
So you are whining because something bad happened to other people.
You are fighting injustice, not done to you, but done to others.
You are a Social Justice Warrior yourself.
By definition.
Yes it can.'can code be objectively evaluated as superior in say example A as opposed to some alternative example B?
The only problem here is that for me your opinion means nothing. How would I know if you know what you are talking about or it's just your opinion. Furthermore, since there is a debate going on as to how code should be looked at divided by two major classes of opinions, how do I know you are not just a member of one of those camps presenting that camp's opinion. All these arguments are given by people who believe they know what they are talking about. I am suspicious they actually do.Yes it can.
This isnt the case of two coders where both have written top-notch code and Linus deciding who wears the crown, but rather where one has written flawless, efficient code and another has written sloppy, bad code. If two coders both write great code, then both codes are great codes, and both get used.
Code isnt judged on 'artistic' principles.
Code isnt judged on 'artistic' principles.
T is already taken. How am I supposed to express my toaster identifiedness?
You know what, i dont know. Im not actually there with Linus as he makes his decision. I know that there is such thing as "elegant" code, there certainly are aspects of coding which are considered "good".- Isnt it though? Even a little bit?
T is already taken. How am I supposed to express my toaster identifiedness?
Thanks. Will be helpful on dating sites to know what all that means
Not the right thread, but I don't see how putting yourself in a box with a label helps you out. I always felt like when you call people black or white you just encourage racism.
This was you presuming that the chain of logic you laid out there was applicable to the fact I was missing this logical conclusion when I had not in fact suggested anything that such a chain of reasoning could apply to. I had not suggested that White and Asian men were perpetuating their bias in any of the reasoning I felt was logical to make. If you inferred that I did it would have had to be in the opinions I offered in the second part of my original post and those I clearly stated were logically worthless.
This means then that you can't avoid the fact that you made presumptions just because you did not state your beliefs on the matter and made those presumptions there. You stated other beliefs that had no application to anything I said.
Let me give you an example of the kind of thing I never get to with you because of all these journeys out into the weeds. Suppose there is such a thing as up to date, first rate. top of the line coding and that fact is visible to a cream of top of the line coders, and suppose further that the only objective this cream of the crop values is the product, the code itself. Let us further postulate that this cream is the cream we see today is based on the hard work and dedication that is much easier to acquire for White males and Asians than anybody else owing to general discrimination in life that penetrates right though to college education. Coding skills, for example might not be high on the list of skills that allow you to survive on the streets in ghettos. Now as a person who can see the value in perfection of execution and love of task, I can understand how a cream of the crop would only want cream to touch their baby. But because of the real world we must live in, I can see how such focus might create tension. This is how I see the problem. I am not offering any answers to it. I do not see how a single person or point of view could ever resolve this. It looks to me to be a process that will requite buy-in on many levels.
You know what, i dont know. Im not actually there with Linus as he makes his decision. I know that there is such thing as "elegant" code, there certainly are aspects of coding which are considered "good".
Writing code that is short, solid, efficient, are things which are appreciated - but they are appreciated from a technical standpoint. There's no concessions for code that "represents man's struggle against oppression". It's a technical product, it's judged on technical merits.
Sincerely i struggle to imagine how code could have *non* technical merits, but other skills have that; the Mona Lisa tequires skill to make, it's difficult to get the proportions right, the prospective, the colors must be right, the brushstrokes ...
Then you get avangarde garbage thats paint splattered on a canvas - oh but IT REPRESENTS SOMETHING.
Im sure this thing will boil over as Linux will continue to judge code based on quality .. but not without a struggle. SJWs do not simply go away, and when someone who says "we want to be able to express ourselves freely" and "fuck free speech" on the same page gets involved at any level with your company, you ought to get worried.
"Social Justice" is a platform. It's been created by people who are nobody to become someone, through empowering the undeserving to positions they should not have.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with privilege - as described by them. I dont owe anything to anyone if my family didnt divorce or if Uncle Ben didnt drink all his money away. We want peopke to develop privilege, not lose it. We want families who save, buy homes, learn professional jobs, put kids through college, pay for books, car, who can teach their kids skills.
Those that do not have it need look no further than themselves. If you dont have privilege, BUILD IT. Save your money, buy a house, stay married, keep working, and give it two generations your kids will be just fine.
I get it that they want to whine but hey, life sucks. Im sorry you were born genderqueer and had to therefore dedicate most of your youth to nights in the park toilets while Otherguy(tm) was hacking spectrums but them's the cards life gave you.
Thats a methaphorical "you", i dont mean YOU.
Have you ever come across something like this ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_verification
And come to terms with how hard if not impossible it is with our static/dynamic variants? I mean going functional you have a use case... My point is that in the room between what you can actually prove (functional) and what we do in C / whatever, leaves room for interpretation of its correctness.
Thats all I got .
(btw, I was that dude hacking spectrums, vic20's and c64's, amigas...)
And that cant be a thing of course, but they COULD be adviced to tend to lesser critical parts of the system where they can continue to hone their skills. Without all the asshole.If the argument is that its hard to tell quality vs style, then maybe. The argument being made though is that because some people start behind, they do not have the ability to compete on merit which ends up enforcing the gap. What they are calling for is a different set of standards where those with the lesser ability (due to their background) are given a leg up to allow them to compete with people that had the advantage due to privilege.
And that cant be a thing of course, but they COULD be adviced to tend to lesser critical parts of the system where they can continue to hone their skills. Without all the asshole.
Hahaha.. well... asm never goes out of style .I'm telling you, it's only a matter of time that we're going to see open source projects fork on ideological grounds. I'm kinda looking forward to see which side writes better code, the Liberal minded programmers or the Libertarian minded ones.
I'm not going to even bother mentioning the Conservative minded programmers... they're probably still coding in COBOL
I'm telling you, it's only a matter of time that we're going to see open source projects fork on ideological grounds. I'm kinda looking forward to see which side writes better code, the Liberal minded programmers or the Libertarian minded ones.
I'm not going to even bother mentioning the Conservative minded programmers... they're probably still coding in COBOL
Programming in COBOL is an easy starting 6-figures. So that's a bad way of trying to call them stupid
(My professor in college ~8 years ago SWORE by COBOL and still taught it in 2008 basically saying it will never die with how much it's relied on).