Skateboarder shoved by cop

[BUTCH1]

LOL..if my dad got got ANY call from the cop's I would have a lot more to fear from him than
that so called "assault". But in today's society that has been taken out of the equation cause kid's
today can dial a hotline and have a parent arrested. Sometimes the fear of a good-old fashioned
beating works wonders, my dad didn't beat me often but when he did I remembered it, I knew
where the "line in the sand" was and did not cross it..

 

[rivan]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: The Cornballer
ya she really earned her days pay as a crime fighter there :rolleyes;
skateboarders are so dangerous.
fvcking useless swine.

The only reason you are alive today and own property is because of the police and the protection they provide. :roll:

Amused, I would think you as one of the more individualist posters around here would know that is completely false.

Right, because most of these untrained, basement bound geeks here are such models of physical prowess that they can defeat the biggest baddest bad guys out there. We're in a forum of Conan the Barbarians. Sorry, I forgot.

Seriously, though. I am an individualist but I also recognize the importance of a government to protect individual rights. I am not an anarchist.

Without a government you have war lords and thugs. You have rule by criminals. Chaos and gang warfare. Slavery and endless victims. Survival of the fittest. The weak will be killed or enslaved or simply lose any and all rights. Just look the the modern day warlord nations of Africa for a clue.

When did you turn into such a bleeding heart? As someone else has already mentioned in this thread, cops don't prevent crime, they just clean up the mess afterward. And all too frequently they screw that up too.

Laws are important, I'm no anarchist. But laws also have be written and enforced while keeping things in perspective. If you consider stopping skateboarders to be on the same level as war lords and slave owners, I guess there's no point in arguing with you.

If you think cops just *being out there* doesn't prevent crime, you're seriously deluded. It's the threat of getting caught that hold back most crime, not a law being on the books.

Amused obviously doesn't see skaters on par with warlords - he's aruging the greater picture. Without cops around to enforce the laws, things would degenerate quickly from grinding skaters to thefts, then maybe to random violence and so on.

The bottom line is that the cop in the video was told to patrol that park, and she stopped someone from breaking the law there. I don't see why the nature of the law figures into it. It's against the law. She was patrolling, saw a law being broken and put a stop to it. As I mentioned before, she didn't draft the legislation, she likely had no say in it. It's just her job to enforce it.

 

[rivan]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
alright...i'm gonna give the kid a little credit *if* he sticks by his words:

The Charleston police department declined to comment on the incident but released a statement saying, "This is under investigation. Once the investigation is completed we will have a comment for the media."

Dowds isn't injured, and he said he's not planning to press charges against the officer.

"I was fine. I'm not trying to pull a whole suit," he said. "I have no bitterness towards the police officer, it was not her fault."

http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2975620&page=1

They were looking for trouble, found it and decided it'd be foolish based on their video to pursue it in court. The guy running the camera lied to the cop in his own video, and the video doesn't present a compelling case for assault.

He's got no other graceful option but to react like that. It's clear (to me, at least) his "assault" thing was exactly what they were going for, and now it's not panning out. Sound the retreat.

I'm not giving him any credit for his plan backfiring on him.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: The Cornballer
ya she really earned her days pay as a crime fighter there :rolleyes;
skateboarders are so dangerous.
fvcking useless swine.

The only reason you are alive today and own property is because of the police and the protection they provide. :roll:

Amused, I would think you as one of the more individualist posters around here would know that is completely false.

Right, because most of these untrained, basement bound geeks here are such models of physical prowess that they can defeat the biggest baddest bad guys out there. We're in a forum of Conan the Barbarians. Sorry, I forgot.

Seriously, though. I am an individualist but I also recognize the importance of a government to protect individual rights. I am not an anarchist.

Without a government you have war lords and thugs. You have rule by criminals. Chaos and gang warfare. Slavery and endless victims. Survival of the fittest. The weak will be killed or enslaved or simply lose any and all rights. Just look the the modern day warlord nations of Africa for a clue.

When did you turn into such a bleeding heart? As someone else has already mentioned in this thread, cops don't prevent crime, they just clean up the mess afterward. And all too frequently they screw that up too.

Laws are important, I'm no anarchist. But laws also have be written and enforced while keeping things in perspective. If you consider stopping skateboarders to be on the same level as war lords and slave owners, I guess there's no point in arguing with you.

Wow...

How did you twist what I said into that? How can that be a bleeding heart?

You made a comment on my comment that the police are the only reason most people here can own property and are alive.

That had nothing to do with skateboarders and everything to do with someone who called police "fscking swine." Someone who is slapping the hand of the very entity that keeps him safe and free.

Yes, a police presence and fear of getting caught DOES prevent crime. I'm amazed that you don't think so. That displays a woeful lack of logic there, Bobber.

Bobber, tell me this: What do you think would happen to society if all the cops suddenly disappeared?

 

[ViviTheMage]

haha kids

 

[HannibalX]

That was great. Dumbass is rolling around like a jackass and then "wham" into the bushes.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: rivan

Originally posted by: mflacy
Assault, lmao. That was the equivilent to a five year old shoving another kid on the playground.

I bet he will be nominated for an Oscar next year.

Clearly, you don't get it. Lots of people here think cops should only use ice cream cones and flowers to fight crime.

Fight crime? He was skateboarding for chrissake. Don't cops have better things to do?

There is a law against skateboarding with many citizen complaints and both public and private property damage reports.

She WAS doing her job. She was enforcing the law and serving the public.

The kids on the other hand had been repeatedly warned not to skate there. And even then, they continued skating even as the cop was yelling at them.

WTF is the use of making a law if no one will enforce it?

Perhaps I'm just tired over government being used as giant stick to combat minor nuisances when there are far better uses of scarce resources. Can skateboarders be annoying? Sure they can. Does that mean we need to start a War On Skateboarders? Maybe we should increase penalties. Mandatory minimums of 20 years for skating on public property.

Bobber, picture it this way:

Someone keeps coming onto your property and defacing it. You ask him to stop, and he refuses. You are physically unable to stop him.

You call the police. They ask him to stop. He refuses.

What should they do? Beg, plead? Offer him a treat?

Life is FULL of minor nuisances that taken as a whole, end up being anarchy.

The kid repeatedly broke the law, and repeatedly ignored a police order. I'll tell you right now if you're a cop, the first thing you learn is to NEVER let anyone ignore a police order. Do it and you're worthless, or worse, a target. She gave him repeated verbal warning on more than this occasion and he ignored it. It was now her job to physically stop him. His dramatic dive into the bushes was an act. She merely held out her arms to stop him and he acted for the camera.

His act continues: Even now he is claiming injuries caused by the fall in news stories on the incident.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: rivan

Originally posted by: mflacy
Assault, lmao. That was the equivilent to a five year old shoving another kid on the playground.

I bet he will be nominated for an Oscar next year.

Clearly, you don't get it. Lots of people here think cops should only use ice cream cones and flowers to fight crime.

Fight crime? He was skateboarding for chrissake. Don't cops have better things to do?

There is a law against skateboarding with many citizen complaints and both public and private property damage reports.

She WAS doing her job. She was enforcing the law and serving the public.

The kids on the other hand had been repeatedly warned not to skate there. And even then, they continued skating even as the cop was yelling at them.

WTF is the use of making a law if no one will enforce it?

Perhaps I'm just tired over government being used as giant stick to combat minor nuisances when there are far better uses of scarce resources. Can skateboarders be annoying? Sure they can. Does that mean we need to start a War On Skateboarders? Maybe we should increase penalties. Mandatory minimums of 20 years for skating on public property.

wow, 1 cop stopping 1 guy on a skateboard is a "war against skateboarders"? i would say don't get ridiculous but its too late, your post is alrewady beyond ridiculous.

sure they could be used for better things, but you can't let the small things go because then they build up and turn into big things.

plus its already been said that cops have assigned areas or patrols. they can't just go willy nilly all over the city looking for crime.

as for the cops don't prevent crime BS, how many people do you know that would steal a purse in front of a cop or murder someone in front of a cop?


just like many other atoters, you have this irrational fear or hatred of the police. you guys are so irrational with 90% of the stuff you say on here.

 

[Agentbolt]

He's got no other graceful option but to react like that.

How many skateboard punks do you know who would pick the "graceful" option? The kid deserves a tiny amount of credit here. He must be fielding a ton of phone calls from scuzzy lawyers promising a big lawsuit, and even if not, pressing charges against the cops would be a great way to get a bunch of "Wow the cops sure are evil!" comments going, which is what you'd assume the average skateboard punk would want.

The kid's not going to get a citation due to this, which he should've, but Ms. Cop just needs to be a bit smarter about how she handles this in the future. Even if she didn't technically do anything wrong (which I don't think she did) she'd have to be the most unaware cop EVER to not have seen they were videotaping it before she stiff armed him, and she should've known how it'd look, especially in a climate where people are always looking for ways to stick it to the cops.

 

[Rage187]

He was in the middle of committing a crime and got knocked down.

He has no basis for a lawsuit.

 

[Smartazz]

yeah lol, I saw that on the news last night.

 

[HannibalX]

Originally posted by: Rage187
He was in the middle of committing a crime and got knocked down.

He has no basis for a lawsuit.

Ding! Ding! Ding!

It took two pages to get the correct answer.

 

[GoingUp]

It looks almost staged to me.

Plus how dumb are skateboarders. Skateboarding isnt allowed in a public place like that pretty much everywhere.

 

[HannibalX]

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
It looks almost staged to me.

Plus how dumb are skateboarders. Skateboarding isnt allowed in a public place like that pretty much everywhere.

Pretty god damn dumb actually.

 

[Cabages]

Originally posted by: Pale Rider

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
It looks almost staged to me.

Plus how dumb are skateboarders. Skateboarding isnt allowed in a public place like that pretty much everywhere.

Pretty god damn dumb actually.

Does looked stage.

Most skateboarders know they shouldnt be skating there, but they do anyway. Mostly because, if they dont skate there, where else is there?

 

[Ricemarine]

Originally posted by: Cabages

Originally posted by: Pale Rider

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
It looks almost staged to me.

Plus how dumb are skateboarders. Skateboarding isnt allowed in a public place like that pretty much everywhere.

Pretty god damn dumb actually.

Does looked stage.

Most skateboarders know they shouldnt be skating there, but they do anyway. Mostly because, if they dont skate there, where else is there?

The skate park?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Pale Rider

Originally posted by: Rage187
He was in the middle of committing a crime and got knocked down.

He has no basis for a lawsuit.

Ding! Ding! Ding!

It took two pages to get the correct answer.

I gave that answer many, many posts ago.

 

[BlancoNino]

How else do you get skateboarders to stop? Especially skaters that don't stop when asked (as the guy clearly did NOT stop when asked).

The officer did nothing wrong.

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: Pale Rider

Originally posted by: Rage187
He was in the middle of committing a crime and got knocked down.

He has no basis for a lawsuit.

Ding! Ding! Ding!

It took two pages to get the correct answer.

I don't think the officer was in the wrong here -- the kids were practically begging for it -- but being 'in the middle of committing a crime' does not give the police carte blanche to do whatever they want to you, nor does it significantly limit your ability to file a lawsuit. It's another story if the police reasonably believe that you are an immediate threat to yourself or others.

See, for example, the lawsuits by burglars who injure themselves while breaking into someone's house and then sue the owners. Some of these people have won. Those particular cases are BS IMO, but there are other instances (such as being injured while committing nonviolent civil disobedience) where limiting the liability of police or other people could be problematic.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Matthias99

Originally posted by: Pale Rider

Originally posted by: Rage187
He was in the middle of committing a crime and got knocked down.

He has no basis for a lawsuit.

Ding! Ding! Ding!

It took two pages to get the correct answer.

I don't think the officer was in the wrong here -- the kids were practically begging for it -- but being 'in the middle of committing a crime' does not give the police carte blanche to do whatever they want to you, nor does it significantly limit your ability to file a lawsuit. It's another story if the police reasonably believe that you are an immediate threat to yourself or others.

See, for example, the lawsuits by burglars who injure themselves while breaking into someone's house and then sue the owners. Some of these people have won. Those particular cases are BS IMO, but there are other instances (such as being injured while committing nonviolent civil disobedience) where limiting the liability of police or other people could be problematic.

An officer has not only a right, but a duty to physically stop anyone from committing a crime after they ignore a verbal order to stop.

That doesn't mean they can shoot them, beat them, taze them just because they won't stop. But that does mean they can use physical force to stop them. In this case, she merely held out her hands to stop him.

Take away this right and duty and cops will become impotent. No one will listen because cops can't stop them.

 

[YayYay]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: waggy

so what if htey knew about the ordinance. that still does not justify what the cop did.

If you repeatedly defy a police order, what do you expect them to do? Whine?

This was an obvious case of two people intentionally trying to get a reaction from an officer.

She held out her arms to physically stop the skater. His dive was for the camera.

Incase you haven't heard, cops have the power to arrest people for breaking laws.


I'm not sure of the exact laws of that city or state but I know most places allow cops to arrest skaters if they continue to defy warnings. They can bring them in for tresspassing or vandalism. I've been arrested numerous times in jr. high for skating in public places and no cop has ever pushed me off a trick. An officer should never use force unless their safety is threatened or has good reason the suspect is trying to evade or resist arrest (it's sad we can't agree on this).

The force of the push is not important since the skater was at a momemtum. For example, you can seriously injure a skater just by putting your arms out when he is grinding a fast hand rail. I don't think people realize how vulnerable the skater's position was. When you do a front manual a small little pebble and send you flying head first. Smart skaters will take the hit on the shoulders and walk away fine but I've seen others who use their hands and end up breaking their wrists.


In this specific case not much harm would have occured since it was a slow trick. Luckily for the offcer and skater there was a bush there to break the fall. However, we cannot be giving the power to cops to cause harm to people unless it's warranted. The skater was not posing a physical threat to the cop. She could have written them up a ticket on the first warning and then have them taken in to jail for any offense after.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: YayYay

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: waggy

so what if htey knew about the ordinance. that still does not justify what the cop did.

If you repeatedly defy a police order, what do you expect them to do? Whine?

This was an obvious case of two people intentionally trying to get a reaction from an officer.

She held out her arms to physically stop the skater. His dive was for the camera.

Incase you haven't heard, cops have the power to arrest people for breaking laws.


I'm not sure of the exact laws of that city or state but I know most places allow cops to arrest skaters if they continue to defy warnings. They can bring them in for tresspassing or vandalism. I've been arrested numerous times in jr. high for skating in public places and no cop has ever pushed me off a trick. An officer should never use force unless their safety is threatened or has good reason the suspect is trying to evade or resist arrest (it's sad we can't agree on this).

The force of the push is not important since the skater was at a momemtum. For example, you can seriously injure a skater just by putting your arms out when he is grinding a fast hand rail. I don't think people realize how vulnerable the skater's position was. When you do a front manual a small little pebble and send you flying head first. Smart skaters will take the hit on the shoulders and walk away fine but I've seen others who use their hands and end up breaking their wrists.


In this specific case not much harm would have occured since it was a slow trick. Luckily for the offcer and skater there was a bush there to break the fall. However, we cannot be giving the power to cops to cause harm to people unless it's warranted. The skater was not posing a physical threat to the cop. She could have written them up a ticket on the first warning and then have them taken in to jail for any offense after.

The skater was not stopping after repeated yelling by the officer.

The officer had every right and a duty to then use physical force to stop the skater.

Tell, me, how is she supposed to write a ticket if he won't stop? Do skateboards have license plates? Do you think the cop has ESP?

She has to stop him first.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

You can blame 40yr olds like myself for all the anti-skateboard laws/rules now :evil: I have skateboarded since I was 6, saved my allowance for months to get a board from the dealer at the local flea market, back in 1970.

We would thrash right between shoppers in open-air malls, have trick competitions there because the walkways were so smooth, ect. Probably wasn't 6 months before the "no skateboarding" was added to "no bicycles" signs everywhere. That just transistioned our crowd much faster, to stealing political signs *made of big sheets of plywood* to build quater and half-pipes out of. Even had a couple skateboard parks, but back then owners didn't legally protect themselves? couldn't afford to? whatever the reason, they ended up going out of biz over injury claims? That's what I was told as a kid anyways.

The incident in the video, is clearly the guys looking for their 15min. and they are getting it. They knew damned well it wasn't OK, and " We didn't know that! We're from Mt. Pleasant." was weak as hell. The L.E.O. would have been better advised to just verbally accost them, but this made for much better melodrama.

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Matthias99

Originally posted by: Pale Rider

Originally posted by: Rage187
He was in the middle of committing a crime and got knocked down.

He has no basis for a lawsuit.

Ding! Ding! Ding!

It took two pages to get the correct answer.

I don't think the officer was in the wrong here -- the kids were practically begging for it -- but being 'in the middle of committing a crime' does not give the police carte blanche to do whatever they want to you, nor does it significantly limit your ability to file a lawsuit. It's another story if the police reasonably believe that you are an immediate threat to yourself or others.

See, for example, the lawsuits by burglars who injure themselves while breaking into someone's house and then sue the owners. Some of these people have won. Those particular cases are BS IMO, but there are other instances (such as being injured while committing nonviolent civil disobedience) where limiting the liability of police or other people could be problematic.

An officer has not only a right, but a duty to physically stop anyone from committing a crime after they ignore a verbal order to stop.

That doesn't mean they can shoot them, beat them, taze them just because they won't stop. But that does mean they can use physical force to stop them. In this case, she merely held out her hands to stop him.

Take away this right and duty and cops will become impotent. No one will listen because cops can't stop them.

They don't have the right to 'physically stop' someone in a way that will obviously cause serious harm to the person they are stopping (unless, like I said, the offender is an immediate threat to themselves or others). If the officer had faceplanted the kid into the curb, they might have something to complain about.

 

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: waggy

so what if htey knew about the ordinance. that still does not justify what the cop did.

If you repeatedly defy a police order, what do you expect them to do? Whine?

This was an obvious case of two people intentionally trying to get a reaction from an officer.

She held out her arms to physically stop the skater. His dive was for the camera.

Yes, quite obviously, because he wasn't moving along a foot wide cement wall while balancing on two wheels and turning at the same time, obviously it would be impossible to push him off and it was only a "dive". And of course an officer trying to stop a moving person on a skateboard will approach them with a strong forward motion and stiff arms and apply sudden force in the opposite direction that the person is moving.

I'm sorry, I usually agree with you, but your "dive" theory is complete BS. Watch the video again.