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waggy

No Lifer
Dec 14, 2000
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I love that series of pictures. it just blows my mind every time is ee it.
 

Baked

Lifer
Dec 28, 2004
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[silly humans]Despite what that photo shows, we're the only intelligent civilization in the entire universe, there are no life forms outside of Earth.[/silly humans]
 

Locut0s

Lifer
Nov 28, 2001
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Originally posted by: IHAVEAQUESTION
So what's the minimum requirement for equipment for us to see other galaxies?

Your eyeballs. The Andromeda galaxy and one or two others are easily visible on a good dark night if you know where to look.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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And Walmart's no hassle return policy is equally valid in all those places.
 
Oct 27, 2007
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Originally posted by: Locut0s
Originally posted by: IHAVEAQUESTION
So what's the minimum requirement for equipment for us to see other galaxies?

Your eyeballs. The Andromeda galaxy and one or two others are easily visible on a good dark night if you know where to look.

Or if you're in the Southern Hemisphere there's the large and small Magellanics clouds, the satellite galaxies orbiting the Milky Way which have an angular size several times bigger than the moon.
 

Locut0s

Lifer
Nov 28, 2001
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Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: Locut0s
Originally posted by: IHAVEAQUESTION
So what's the minimum requirement for equipment for us to see other galaxies?

Your eyeballs. The Andromeda galaxy and one or two others are easily visible on a good dark night if you know where to look.

Or if you're in the Southern Hemisphere there's the large and small Magellanics clouds, the satellite galaxies orbiting the Milky Way which have an angular size several times bigger than the moon.

The southern hemisphere sky is like the dark side of the moon to us northerners. "Here be dragons".
 

Unmoosical

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Feb 27, 2006
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Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Really old, but always worth reposting. Makes you feel pretty insignificant, huh?

I don't think a lot of people really comprehend the enormity of the universe. There are hundreds of billions of galaxies, each with hundreds of billions of stars and planets orbiting these stars. There's no way that our planet can be the only one with intelligent life.

This made me remember something my astronomy teacher (from several years ago) said. To paraphrase she said, the earth and life on earth specifically is very young considering the age of the universe so other life that is out there is likely to be more advanced than us (possibly way more advanced) because they have had a lot more time to evolve.
 

Confusednewbie1552

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This may be a stupid question so I apologize in advance for any ignorance, but...

Is the diameter of Pollux really larger than that of our solar system?!?! (Pic 5 on the left)
 
Oct 27, 2007
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Originally posted by: Confusednewbie1552
This may be a stupid question so I apologize in advance for any ignorance, but...

Is the diameter of Pollux really larger than that of our solar system?!?! (Pic 5 on the left)

Interesting, according to Wikipedia Pollux is only 8 solar radii, or about 5,560,000km. For comparison, the distance from the Sun to Pluto is about 7,376,000,000km. So it's not even close. Pluto doesn't actually mark the edge of the solar system, but there is no firm definition for the edge of the solar system. The most widely accepted boundary marker is the heliopause, at about 100AU (15,000,000,000km from the Sun).
 

tcsenter

Lifer
Sep 7, 2001
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Originally posted by: Confusednewbie1552
Is the diameter of Pollux really larger than that of our solar system?!?! (Pic 5 on the left)
Oops, scratch that. Updating info...

 
Oct 27, 2007
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Huh, so I did some checking on some numbers and it seems a lot of these images are extremely misleading. C354 Cephei appears to be hundreds of times larger than our own solar system in that image, but in fact if it were to replace the sun it would extend a bit past the orbit of Saturn.
 

RocksteadyDotNet

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Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Huh, so I did some checking on some numbers and it seems a lot of these images are extremely misleading. C354 Cephei appears to be hundreds of times larger than our own solar system in that image, but in fact if it were to replace the sun it would extend a bit past the orbit of Saturn.

But that's only because the distances of our solar system are misrepresented.

If the sun were the size of a basketball, jupiter would be 25m away.
 
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Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Huh, so I did some checking on some numbers and it seems a lot of these images are extremely misleading. C354 Cephei appears to be hundreds of times larger than our own solar system in that image, but in fact if it were to replace the sun it would extend a bit past the orbit of Saturn.

But that's only because the distances of our solar system are misrepresented.

If the sun were the size of a basketball, jupiter would be 25m away.

Yeah it looks like the only thing that is actually wrong with the picture is the size of our solar system, which is around ~2,200 times the diameter of the Sun.
 

manowar821

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Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Huh, so I did some checking on some numbers and it seems a lot of these images are extremely misleading. C354 Cephei appears to be hundreds of times larger than our own solar system in that image, but in fact if it were to replace the sun it would extend a bit past the orbit of Saturn.

But that's only because the distances of our solar system are misrepresented.

If the sun were the size of a basketball, jupiter would be 25m away.

Yeah it looks like the only thing that is actually wrong with the picture is the size of our solar system, which is around ~2,200 times the diameter of the Sun.

Also, the planets aren't exactly to scale with the Sun. You're supposed to be able to fit around a million earths inside of our star, if I'm not mistaken? Or was that regarding mass rather than volume?
 

totalnoob

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Can somebody answer, how many times bigger than our sun is the largest known star? How many of our suns would fit inside it? What about earths??

It looks like 100 million+
 

iamwiz82

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Jan 10, 2001
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Originally posted by: totalnoob
Can somebody answer, how many times bigger than our sun is the largest known star? How many of our suns would fit inside it? What about earths??

It looks like 100 million+

From wikipedia, which is always true

Assuming the upper size limit of 2100 solar radii, light would take more than 8 hours to travel around the star's circumference, compared to 14.5 seconds for the sun. It would take over 7,000,000,000,000,000 (7 quadrillion) Earths to fill the volume of VY Canis Majoris. [14]

EDIT: Holy crap this is interesting:

The largest known star is VY Canis Majoris, a red hypergiant measuring between 1800 to 2100 solar radii. Its volume is almost a billion times that of the Sun, though its density is much less. Canis Majoris means big dog in Latin. If it were located in the solar system, its surface would reach all the way out to the orbit of Saturn. Another way of saying this is that VY Canis Majoris is about 9 astronomical units (AUs) wide, nine times the distance between the Earth and the Sun. There must be larger stars located in other galaxies, but we presently lack telescopes powerful enough to resolve them. Hypertelescopes may help in this regard.

VY Canis Majoris is a star in its final death throes. It is ejecting massive amounts of material into a surrounding nebula that makes the star blocked in the visible spectrum. It must be observed in the infrared portion of the spectrum. VY Canis Majoris' death nebula is ~4500 AU in width, about fifty times larger than the star itself and much larger than our solar system. Within the gas nebula is a smaller circumstellar dust region, which has a temperature of 760 K, and a width of approximately 260 AU. The star surface probably has a temperature around 3650 K, extremely cold for a star.

Unlike main sequence stars such as our Sun, VY Canis Majoris has no distinct photosphere and thus just trails off into space. Although it is the biggest known star, it is definitely not the most massive, partly because it has already ejected so much of its mass into the surrounding nebula.

Like all red giants and hypergiants, VY Canis Majoris is so big because it has exhausted all the hydrogen fuel in its core, and has begun fusing hydrogen on a shell outside of a helium core. In fact, VY Canis Majoris is so big that it can fuse together helium, lithium, and so on, all the way up the periodic table to iron and beyond. Eventually it will have a core made mainly of iron, just like the planets. The problem with post-iron fusion reactions is that they produce no energy, and hence cannot balance out the gravitational pressure generated by the star. When all the fusion fuel runs out, the star will collapse catastrophically in a supernova explosion and become a black hole.
 

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Lifer
Jul 2, 2001
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Wow, VY canis majoris is so big, that the surface of the star would be close to saturn, meaning that it would engulf mercuy, venus, earth, mars, the asteroid belt, and jupiter!
 
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