Sheriff made out like we should not look into his history. As if his history doesn't show a pattern of behavior or actions that conclude with him shooting and killing someone. FL seems to be full of scumbags.
They would also wait for him in our driveway when they knew he was drinking and driving, or speeding or out smashing mailboxes with his buddies or shooting cats. He even shot my twin brother in the leg and saw no jail time because my brother wouldn't press charges. <--- that happened because he was mad at his wife and decided to grab my brother and go to Atlantic city for some gambling. The gun "unintentionally" discharged in the vehicle. The bullet went through my brother's leg and grazed my cousins testicle who was driving.He didn't go to prison for shooting over someone's head for annoying?
No offense, but it sounds like your brother was a real piece of shit.Small town living. No, he didn't go to jail for that. The cops really didn't want to send him to jail for stealing a gun either because he only drove the car but it was out of their hands.
Indeed! One of the most fun, funniest guys I've known in my life time but he was a disaster and a heartbreaker. Totalled many a vehicle in his time until the last one which killed him. He was drinking and hit a tree. He was 38.No offense, but it sounds like your brother was a real piece of shit.
But that's one of the reasons he was rarely arrested. He was well liked. Kind of worshipped in a way.No offense, but it sounds like your brother was a real piece of shit.
And I'd agree with that, but a certain % will be self-entitled assholes because a gun gives you the last word. These types would probably like to get into any kind of stupid altercation and just wait, (here in FL) for the other side to act threatening so their "last word" is perfectly legal.
Yeah, in today's pussified republican states of America, why would any man come to the defense of his wife and children being yelled at by a nut job with a gun. Too bad the wife didn't shoot the fucker first.Meh, both wrong. Pretty stupid actions on both. Why just come out and assault someone for yelling at your GF? Everyone is too angry about everything these days.
Sheriff made out like we should not look into his history. As if his history doesn't show a pattern of behavior or actions that conclude with him shooting and killing someone. FL seems to be full of scumbags.
If that POS shooter hadn't of had a gun, there is zero chance he would be harassing people in the parking lot of a gas station. Once you go up to someone's family and start yelling at them, all bets are off. The husband should've just shot him because he was afraid for his wife's safety and all of you gun nuts would still say it was a good shoot, especially since the guy that STARTED the situation was armed. (Maybe not you since the shooter was white and the victim appears to be black.)Good shoot? Well, legal shoot at least. While Florida needs to set a higher standard for the use of deadly force in the future, this is in bounds as the law is written now.
That being said, absolutely no tears will I shed for the dead thug. Don't assault people, don't get shot. Words to live by.
We do not allow the use of the derogatory, stealth-racist code word "thug" here.
Perknose
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The sheriff is smart and also a lawyer so he knows the law side of it. He is following the law but I also believe he was making a point in this incident to make the state and lawmakers rethink stand your ground. Unfortunately the NRA owns Florida. Yes, there are a lot of scumbags here but there are a lot of good people also.
This is such bullshit. It wasn't talking if the husband heard it inside the store. Other customers in the video were clearly concerned by the situation, as well.You're arguing against your own position here. Given how stupid that position is, it's no wonder.
So the dead thug saw someone TALKING to a person sitting in a car and has enough fear that the person was being threatened to commit a violent assault to remove the threat and that's okay to your sad little bleeding heart. But the person that was assaulted, after having been attacked once and faced with a known enemy still moving forward is not entitled to take steps to remove the threat? Gotcha. Yep, no contradictions there.
I hereby promise that if I ever assault another person without provocation I will not complain whatever happens to me because it's my own damn fault for committing a violent crime. And I hereby absolve you of the need to shed tears on my behalf because even if I am gunned down my criminal ass had it coming for attacking another person who could rightly fear for their own life.
Again with the racist code word "thug."
Perknose
Forum Director
Repeatedly picking fights while armed like this guy reportedly did should be cause for the revocation of your carry permit. A carry permit is not a licence to go causing trouble. I don't think there is anything illegal about asking folks not to park in handicap parking, but if it escalates into an angry verbal argument that leads to someone getting violent he could be found at fault, IMO. All that husband did was push him away from his wife. Is that unreasonable?
Old man was perfectly within his rights to pull his weapons after the verbal argument was escalated to a possible assault by the husband, IMO, since the husband advance two steps towards him while he was down. But, when the husband saw the gun and RETREATED at least two steps back and half a step to the side I would argue that the threat was ended and shooting was no longer necessary.
At that point, IMO, shooting the retreating threat became illegal. I don't know where some of you got the BS idea that pulling a gun and then not shooting is a crime (brandishing.) If pulling your gun is enough to end the threat then you can't legally shoot. The Stand Your Ground law says you don't have no duty to retreat before using deadly force, and that you can use deadly force to protect property. It doesn't give you the right to shoot someone retreating even if they did push you to the ground, especially when you are in a public parking lot picking fights.
For this to be a legal shooting we would have to believe the old man REASONABLY believed his life was in danger at the moment he shot. I do not.
His wife was being aggressively verbally attacked by a large, armed man, that was making large hand movements within striking distance. If you could claim for a second that the shooter actually had a reasonable fear for his life, there is no way you could not say the same about the women.You should be required to have a reasonable fear for your life or grave bodily harm.
For the record I don't agree with the shooter's actions at all. To begin with, he shouldn't have been harassing the woman in the first place. He also should have walked away when the husband approached himHis wife was being aggressively verbally attacked by a large, armed man, that was making large hand movements within striking distance. If you could claim for a second that the shooter actually had a reasonable fear for his life, there is no way you could not say the same about the women.
He doesn't. The husband wasn't in the wrong, but the shooter sure was.Agree. This guy was trying to protect his family from a crazed man with a gun, why does he have any duty to retreat when his GF and children are being assaulted?
For the record I don't agree with the shooter's actions at all. To begin with, he shouldn't have been harassing the woman in the first place. He also should have walked away when the husband approached him
I liked your post...right up until you brand every gun owner by the actions of a few bad apples. It's wrong to do so. 99.9%+ of guns in civilian hands are never used to hurt anyone.This is such bullshit. It wasn't talking if the husband heard it inside the store. Other customers in the video were clearly concerned by the situation, as well.
The shooter didn't back off when approached by the husband and then shoots him when he is several feet away and not approaching him.
You gun pussy are so weak, you need a gun to feel strong and then you think that gives you a right to cuss out moms in front of their kids, then kill anyone that tries to stop you. If you can't take being pushed, DON'T CUSS OUT RANDOM PEOPLE.
Not every gun owner is a gun pussy. I own two guns, FYI. Spidery, Gag and this shooter qualify, though. I'll edit it, to ammosexuals.I liked your post...right up until you brand every gun owner by the actions of a few bad apples. It's wrong to do so. 99.9%+ of guns in civilian hands are never used to hurt anyone.
For this to be a legal shooting we would have to believe the old man REASONABLY believed his life was in danger at the moment he shot. I do not.
Nah, don't edit it. Gun owners are okay to stereotype. It's not honest, but it's acceptable and expected behavior these days.Not every gun owner is a gun pussy. I own two guns, FYI. Spidery, Gag and this shooter qualify, though. I'll edit it, to ammosexuals.