It's a bit too early to start dreaming or speculating about it when the product isn't expected to ship until late 2013 to early 2014...Except Tegra 4 *does* have LTE, just not on-die.
Anyway, no one wants to dream of an ultra-cheap Nexus 4i?
Except Tegra 4 *does* have LTE, just not on-die.
Anyway, no one wants to dream of an ultra-cheap Nexus 4i?
Yes, Tegra 4 doesn't have an integrated baseband modem processor, but as you said, Tegra 4 can be bundled with the Icera i500 baseband modem processor. The Snapdragon S4 Pro and Snapdragon 600 SoC's do not come with an integrated baseband modem processor either. Snapdragon S4 Pro is currently available for use in new tablets/ smartphones. Tegra 4 and Icera i500 are still sampling, so products based on these processors will not be available until Q2 2013 at the earliest.
P.S. A potential Nexus 5 smartphone would be a good and logical candidate for Tegra 4.
Q2 2013 ok, but late maybe they even miss into 2014. As for Nexus 5, that contract has long been awarded, to LG apparently.
People need to stop expecting Nvidia to come up with a miraculous breakthrough, they are still new in the ARM game, piecing together what others have already done with all foreign but one in house SoC component. The same ARM game that has very little non ARM competition, the same game TI had to step out of. Apple firmly holds the GPU crown, to me Nvidia is the least likely contender for it.
Link?Q2 2013 ok, but late maybe they even miss into 2014. As for Nexus 5, that contract has long been awarded, to LG apparently.
People need to stop expecting Nvidia to come up with a miraculous breakthrough, they are still new in the ARM game, piecing together what others have already done with all foreign but one in house SoC component. The same ARM game that has very little non ARM competition, the same game TI had to step out of. Apple firmly holds the GPU crown, to me Nvidia is the least likely contender for it.
Q2 2013 ok, but late maybe they even miss into 2014. As for Nexus 5, that contract has long been awarded, to LG apparently.
People need to stop expecting Nvidia to come up with a miraculous breakthrough, they are still new in the ARM game, piecing together what others have already done with all foreign but one in house SoC component. The same ARM game that has very little non ARM competition, the same game TI had to step out of. Apple firmly holds the GPU crown, to me Nvidia is the least likely contender for it.
LG works with companies such as NVIDIA and Qualcomm for the SoC hardware on their mobile devices.
That's theoretical compute, they bumped the clock to compensate for die size which carries consequences as well. I am biased against Nvidia because of tweaking benchmarks and past results with delayed launches. If they can dethrone Apple, as a consumer I welcome it but as a long time follower, I doubt it.According to Anandtech, Tegra 4 will have better CPU and GPU performance than A5X in ipad 4. Considering that the A5X SoC die size is roughly 50% larger than Tegra 4, that is certainly a notable accomplishment.
The specs have been predetermined by Google, chips that don't already ship cannot be considered.
That's theoretical compute
According to Anandtech, Tegra 4 will have better CPU and GPU performance than A5X in ipad 4. Considering that the A5X SoC die size is roughly 50% larger than Tegra 4, that is certainly a notable accomplishment.
Heh...I was waiting for him to show up.
The problem with nVidia regarding smartphones is this: They are always the one to show up just to say first! The real product shows up in phones 3-4 months after the performance leak or a review on a tablet, then they get beaten by Qualcomm and Samsung a month or two after they start shipping their products.
Tegra 2: Demoed and reviewed in December on a Viewsonic tablet(Smartphone Tegra2 didn't ship until March with the Motorola Atrix). Two months later, it was crushed by Exynos in May on the Galaxy S II.
Tegra 3: Demoed and reviewed in December on an ASUS Transformer Prime tablet(Smartphone Tegra3 didn't ship until March with the International HTC OneX). A month later, it was beaten by both Dual core Krait on HTC/Samsung USA phones and Quad core Exynos on the International Galaxy S III that shipped in April.
Tegra 4: January leak...Shipping smartphone Tegra4 products are yet to be seen. Qualcomm and Samsung will be knocking on the door in March and April when their phones get launched(a real hardware launch with a shipping product, not a paper launch).
What good is it to say "first" for the sake of saying it but not actually shipping the chips in phones until 4 months later when they will be beaten in a month?
nVidia desperately needs to adjust their market timing on smartphones. For tablets, nVidia's market timing is excellent. No one can argue against that.
I'm one of the many people still clinging to the unlimited data plan, and I've bought both the GNex and Razr HD Maxx at full MSRP to hold onto it. If, and I expect them to try, Verizon attempts to yank my unlimited data in a few months, that'll be it. Through my employer, I get a 20% discount and a 50 dollar expense. The % discount only applies to Verizon, but the $50 expense carries to any carrier.
Oh wait, if Brian and Anand are correct, this is mostly irrelevant for us:However, this is great:
A5X will have been replaced twice by the time Tegra 4 ships in volume.
Using Apple as an example. They announce a product, 2/3 weeks later it is shipping millions of units per day.
Sez who? Personally, I'm GUESSING Motorola might get that contract.Q2 2013 ok, but late maybe they even miss into 2014. As for Nexus 5, that contract has long been awarded, to LG apparently.
The hate in this thread doesn't make sense. This chip is supposedly half the size of Qualcomm's current chips. It's not supposed to be a high end chip. And Nvidia has a reference design with a 1080p 5" screen that should sell for no more than $300 unsubsidized. That's pretty darn awesome for "midrange."
I'll take a mid-range powered Tegra 4i phone in a heartbeat if I can get a full day's heavy use out of my phone.
A5X has only been available in one commercial device for slightly more than three months. Tegra 4 volume production has already started, and Tegra 4 commercial devices will be available within the next three to six months. Would it have been nice to have Tegra 4 commercial products available today? Of course. Will Apple refresh their tablet at some point later in 2013? Of course. Will the refresh have better GPU and CPU performance than the quad Cortex A15 Tegra 4? Doubtful.
You do realize that Apple is an indirect competitor to NVIDIA, while Qualcomm is a direct competitor to NVIDIA? NVIDIA and Qualcomm provide SoC hardware to Apple's competitors, and the design specs of this SoC hardware needs to be known well in advance by any potential partner.
March 2012 is "a few months"?
A month here a month there, then suddenly you preach the conclusion that Tegra 4 was actually released back in 2007.
A 2.3 ghz A9 Quad Core should be similar to a 1.7 ghz Krait Quad Core, assuming the cores are properly fed with the memory bandwidth. Problem is we still do not know what the real clock speeds are for 2.3 ghz is the maximum turbo when only using 1 single core. Furthermore the smaller die size may be cheaper for Nvidia but it also means we are stuck with single channel memory, Krait Quad Cores have dual channel memory.
All the speculation and marketing of Tegra 4/4i aside, I have to say the prototype phone (Phoenix?) in the OP looks nice. It's very Xperia-esque in design and very thin. Is it just a drawing or did they have physical devices even just a few?
Tegra 4i does not have a standard Cortex A9 core, it has a totally revamped R4 Cortex A9 core which, quoting Anandtech http://www.anandtech.com/show/6753/...-4i-formerly-project-grey-with-integrated-lte, "includes higher IPC thanks to the addition of a better data prefetching engine, dedicated hardware for cache preload instructions and some larger buffers". NVIDIA even claims that SPECInt IPC is higher with R4 Cortex A9 than with Krait 400 in Snapdragon 800. Now, with respect to the memory controller, considering that there is a 60 "core" ULP Geforce used in Tegra 4i, and considering that the screen resolution target is 1080p, there is about nil chance of having a single channel memory controller.