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Gibson486

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Lincoln Labs does research, primarily for defense, but they branch into other things.

I do not blame you for not taking the higest paid job. There is more to a job than money. There's growth and fullfillment. Im guessing raytheon gave you the highest offer? They are getting extremely agressive now.
 

sunzt

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Originally posted by: Semidevil
reason for accepting 15k less than top offer?

Growth potential. In terms of self and company.

Originally posted by: Xstatic1
what do u think about using duct tape for minor repairs during space travel?

:laugh:

If there's no better option, then why not? Of course, depends on how "minor" we're talking about.

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
You know there is one thing you never learned in college, it's called modesty.

I understand what you're saying, and I would disagree with your point. It's not like i'm saying "hahahha you all suck. Bow before my uber job and pray you get smarter. Good-bye." I know there's a world of people smarter, richer, and more talented than me, but I would have to list the companies I talked to for other to ask about my experiences. I'm trying to help other job seekers by sharing my insights into potential companies that they might be looking to apply at and hope that it will help them make a more informed decision.

Granted, my job choices aren't for everyone, but to the many people on ATOT who are qualified to apply to these companies, my experiences can be valuable.

Besides, I'm pretty sure most Master's degrees would be making more $ than me by a good margin.

Originally posted by: Kyteland
Originally posted by: sunzt
Payed, it's a word. Near the bottom though
Only you used it incorrectly.

or( Obsolete except for defs. 12, 24c) payed
12. Nautical. to let (a ship) fall off to leeward.
30c. to let out (a rope) by slackening
I assume they meant 30c instead of 24c seeing as there is no 24c and payed would be correct for 30c.

Look lower than that:
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v. A past tense and a past participle of pay1.


 

Gibson486

Lifer
Aug 9, 2000
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Originally posted by: sunzt
Originally posted by: Semidevil
reason for accepting 15k less than top offer?

Growth potential. In terms of self and company.

Originally posted by: Xstatic1
what do u think about using duct tape for minor repairs during space travel?

:laugh:

If there's no better option, then why not? Of course, depends on how "minor" we're talking about.

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
You know there is one thing you never learned in college, it's called modesty.

I understand what you're saying, and I would disagree with your point. It's not like i'm saying "hahahha you all suck. Bow before my uber job and pray you get smarter. Good-bye." I know there's a world of people smarter, richer, and more talented than me, but I would have to list the companies I talked to for other to ask about my experiences. I'm trying to help other job seekers by sharing my insights into potential companies that they might be looking to apply at and hope that it will help them make a more informed decision.

Granted, my job choices aren't for everyone, but to the many people on ATOT who are qualified to apply to these companies, my experiences can be valuable.

Besides, I'm pretty sure most Master's degrees would be making more $ than me by a good margin.

Originally posted by: Kyteland
Originally posted by: sunzt
Payed, it's a word. Near the bottom though
Only you used it incorrectly.

or( Obsolete except for defs. 12, 24c) payed
12. Nautical. to let (a ship) fall off to leeward.
30c. to let out (a rope) by slackening
I assume they meant 30c instead of 24c seeing as there is no 24c and payed would be correct for 30c.

Look lower than that:
American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source - Share This
payed 1 Audio Help (pad) Pronunciation Key
v. A past tense and a past participle of pay1.

You kind of have to look at the places you got accepted. With the exception of Raytheon, those are all really hard companies to get in to. To clain you got offers from 5 of those companies is kind of blabbing.....

Congrats though.

 

sunzt

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Originally posted by: Gibson486
Lincoln Labs does research, primarily for defense, but they branch into other things.

I do not blame you for not taking the higest paid job. There is more to a job than money. There's growth and fullfillment. Im guessing raytheon gave you the highest offer? They are getting extremely agressive now.

Raytheon did not give me the highest offer, actually was on the lower side. They are hiring aggressively though.
 

sunzt

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Nov 27, 2003
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Originally posted by: sunzt
Originally posted by: Gibson486
Lincoln Labs does research, primarily for defense, but they branch into other things.

I do not blame you for not taking the higest paid job. There is more to a job than money. There's growth and fullfillment. Im guessing raytheon gave you the highest offer? They are getting extremely agressive now.

Raytheon did not give me the highest offer, actually was on the lower side. They are hiring aggressively though.

True. Point taken, I'll remove the # of offers. However, I'm sure there are plenty of ATOTers qualified to interview at any of those companies. Thanks for congrats btw.
 

Phokus

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Just out of curiosity sunzt, what is your major and what college did you go to?
 

Gibson486

Lifer
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Originally posted by: sunzt
Originally posted by: Gibson486
Lincoln Labs does research, primarily for defense, but they branch into other things.

I do not blame you for not taking the higest paid job. There is more to a job than money. There's growth and fullfillment. Im guessing raytheon gave you the highest offer? They are getting extremely agressive now.

Raytheon did not give me the highest offer, actually was on the lower side. They are hiring aggressively though.

really? they gave me an offer after I accepted my current. I kind of kicked myself for not waiting on them. It was a full 10k more than what i am getting now.
 

sunzt

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It's in the OP. University of Michigan, Space Engineering Masters.
 

Phokus

Lifer
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Originally posted by: sunzt
It's in the OP. University of Michigan, Space Engineering Masters.

Lol, sorry about that... i skipped that part... sounds cool what you're doing though
 

sunzt

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Originally posted by: Gibson486
Originally posted by: sunzt
Originally posted by: Gibson486
Lincoln Labs does research, primarily for defense, but they branch into other things.

I do not blame you for not taking the higest paid job. There is more to a job than money. There's growth and fullfillment. Im guessing raytheon gave you the highest offer? They are getting extremely agressive now.

Raytheon did not give me the highest offer, actually was on the lower side. They are hiring aggressively though.

really? they gave me an offer after I accepted my current. I kind of kicked myself for not waiting on them. It was a full 10k more than what i am getting now.


Well let me clarify. For the area (LA) it was the lowest. NG gave me a higher offer in the same area.
 

Gibson486

Lifer
Aug 9, 2000
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Originally posted by: sunzt
Originally posted by: Gibson486
Originally posted by: sunzt
Originally posted by: Gibson486
Lincoln Labs does research, primarily for defense, but they branch into other things.

I do not blame you for not taking the higest paid job. There is more to a job than money. There's growth and fullfillment. Im guessing raytheon gave you the highest offer? They are getting extremely agressive now.

Raytheon did not give me the highest offer, actually was on the lower side. They are hiring aggressively though.

really? they gave me an offer after I accepted my current. I kind of kicked myself for not waiting on them. It was a full 10k more than what i am getting now.


Well let me clarify. For the area (LA) it was the lowest. NG gave me a higher offer in the same area.

oh, i am on the other side of the US.
 

Capitalizt

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I have a serious question... I've got a basic two year degree in computer networking which I really hate, and I'm looking to get a fresh start. I've always lvoed reading about science and theoretical physics but my real education in the area is zero. I would love to end up working for one of those companies you mentioned...

As a complete noob, where do you recommend I start? What are some must-read books? What courses should I start with when I go back to school?
 

sunzt

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Originally posted by: Gibson486
Originally posted by: sunzt
Originally posted by: Gibson486
oh, i am on the other side of the US.

Are you talking about Raytheon IDS in MA?

yeah. in andover

They had a really good college recruiting day when I went there. They put all the interviewees in the Harbor Bay hotel for a few days, and gave us a tour of Fenway park. Good food too. However, they really pressured candidates to see if they were willing to accept the offer within 2 weeks.
 

Gibson486

Lifer
Aug 9, 2000
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Originally posted by: Capitalizt
I have a serious question... I've got a basic two year degree in computer networking which I really hate, and I'm looking to get a fresh start. I've always lvoed reading about science and theoretical physics but my real education in the area is zero. I would love to end up working for one of those companies you mentioned...

As a complete noob, where do you recommend I start? What are some must-read books? What courses should I start with when I go back to school?

without a BS, it is gonna be hard. You may have a chnace in a company like c4 dynamics, though, but even they only want a BS.
 

herm0016

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i am thinking about getting a job with Raytheon polar services, its a general labor job but its in a really cool (cold too) place. any specific info for that employer?
 

Gibson486

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Originally posted by: herm0016
i am thinking about getting a job with Raytheon polar services, its a general labor job but its in a really cool (cold too) place. any specific info for that employer?

benefits are not that good, but in an economy like this, that is hardly a deal killer if its your only offer.
 

Capitalizt

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Originally posted by: Gibson486
Originally posted by: Capitalizt
I have a serious question... I've got a basic two year degree in computer networking which I really hate, and I'm looking to get a fresh start. I've always loved reading about science and theoretical physics but my real education in the area is zero. I would love to end up working for one of those companies you mentioned...

As a complete noob, where do you recommend I start? What are some must-read books? What courses should I start with when I go back to school?

without a BS, it is gonna be hard. You may have a chnace in a company like c4 dynamics, though, but even they only want a BS.

I'm aware of that...I plan to keep my current job but am willing to spend the next 6-7 years going to college part time to get a BS. I'm just wondering what starter stuff needs to be learned to form a foundation for working at a big defense/research/aerospace company. What electives should be taken first? What sort of reading can I do on my own? What general advice do you have for someone starting fresh?
 

sunzt

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Originally posted by: Capitalizt
I have a serious question... I've got a basic two year degree in computer networking which I really hate, and I'm looking to get a fresh start. I've always lvoed reading about science and theoretical physics but my real education in the area is zero. I would love to end up working for one of those companies you mentioned...

As a complete noob, where do you recommend I start? What are some must-read books? What courses should I start with when I go back to school?

Glad you asked! I'm willing to give you all the help I can. Here are my assumptions about your current situation.

1) You have enough time in your life to do everything you want, and you are not responsible for supporting a family yet.

2) You are willing to work/study for long, long hours.

3) You are under 30.

4) You have citizenship by the time you start job hunting. To be honest, for almost all of the companies, if you don't have citizenship then it'll be much harder, unless you work in a different country for foreign aerospace companies (ESA, JAXA, etc) or you go to a private company (Bigelow, SpaceX).

5) You plan on going into electrical engineering, computer engineering, or software.


You'll need education in engineering because those companies I've listed are in the business of engineering. The biggest degrees in demand from almost all of those companies is Electrical and Computer/Software. Hands down, if you have either of those degrees then they'll be more interested in you. This (in my opinion) is because so many EE and CE people go into consumer electronics/semiconductors/software companies, and most don't have any interest in aerospace/space/defense. I don't know if you're planning a 2 or 4 year degree. A 2 year technical degree may be able to land you a job as a test engineer or technician, but I would seek advice from elsewhere on that topic.

Reading books will not help unless you need them to pass a course or to build something. I suggest doing projects and getting books that will help you finish the project. For instance, see if you and a few buddies are capable of building a near space weather balloon (the book is in pdf on the link)Near Space Ballon Instructions. I actually did this for a class, and all the companies LOVED what I did in it. It's mostly avionics work so I think you should be able to handle it. So get involved in student project groups that do really cool engineering projects.

Courses should focus as much as possible to actual application or projects rather than theory. "Hot" areas in EE/CE that defense companies are interested in are RF, Radar, and Optics, but you really should choose something that's of interest to you. VLSI/Semiconductors are more geared towards component/device companies, and not in the aerospace field. I focused more on controls, but I didn't emphasize it for my jobs.

Also, take as many prereq courses as you possibly can in a community college, it will save you a buttload of cash. You'll catch up if you need to later on if the teaching quality is bad.

Let me know if you have any other questions

 

sunzt

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Originally posted by: herm0016
i am thinking about getting a job with Raytheon polar services, its a general labor job but its in a really cool (cold too) place. any specific info for that employer?

Wow that looks pretty interesting. I don't have any personal experience from that division in Raytheon. However, from looking at the website it's government work so I would assume you could expect a stable job. Also be aware that Raytheon has many layers in it's corporate structure.
 

Gibson486

Lifer
Aug 9, 2000
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Originally posted by: Capitalizt
Originally posted by: Gibson486
Originally posted by: Capitalizt
I have a serious question... I've got a basic two year degree in computer networking which I really hate, and I'm looking to get a fresh start. I've always loved reading about science and theoretical physics but my real education in the area is zero. I would love to end up working for one of those companies you mentioned...

As a complete noob, where do you recommend I start? What are some must-read books? What courses should I start with when I go back to school?

without a BS, it is gonna be hard. You may have a chnace in a company like c4 dynamics, though, but even they only want a BS.

I'm aware of that...I plan to keep my current job but am willing to spend the next 6-7 years going to college part time to get a BS. I'm just wondering what starter stuff needs to be learned to form a foundation for working at a big defense/research/aerospace company. What electives should be taken first? What sort of reading can I do on my own? What general advice do you have for someone starting fresh?

take electives that are more scienced based (rf, emag). stay away from semiconductor stuff (device physics).
 

sunzt

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Originally posted by: Capitalizt
The space balloon idea looks awesome

Thanks for all the advice.

Yeah, np.

That single space balloon experience was one of the biggest reasons I got a particular internship, and some of my flyouts. I milked it for all it was worth during interviews and I showed them pictures from the flight. They were like "Wow, you did all this in 3 months?".
 

herm0016

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polar services is generally seasonal work, there are not many over winter positions for obvious reasons. benefits are location, living for nearly free, location.
sounds like good advice you are giving. though i would say 50 percent of my learning has been done outside the classroom, reading books, doing projects and working and this knowledge has been far more useful than what i have learned in classes. I am graduating next December with a BSME degree.
 
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