Socket 939

[Confusednewbie1552]

How long is AMD going to make AMD Athlon 64s for Socket 939 and how long will socket 939 be out there?

 

[Degrador]

Socket 939 is meant to be AMD's new socket to last them the next couple of years. At least, it's supposed to last that long. I'd say you'll find socket 939 taking over the mainstream from socket A eventually. Should mean it'll be here a while. It's just annoying they're making it so god damn expensive.

 

[Confusednewbie1552]

ok so will they continue making new Proccessors for Socket 939 all the way till 2007?

 

[Mik3y]

it's likely, yes

 

[Shimmishim]

hmm... 2007 may be a stretch but very possible considering socket A has been around since.... 2000? 2001? and it's 2004 and it's still alive and kickin' strong with the AXP-mobile line...

socket A will die eventually and socket 754 will replace it as the budget line...
socket 939 is the mainstream processor and
socket 939-FX is the enthusiast/i-need-the-most-performance-i-can-get-by-spending-the-most-money-possible processor

 

[Confusednewbie1552]

All right thanks. One last question will Socket 939 boards still be over priced by august?

 

[Gikaseixas]

Originally posted by: Confusednewbie1552
All right thanks. One last question will Socket 939 boards still be over priced by august?

they'll drop a little (from 10 to 15%) Wait a bit more

 

[Confusednewbie1552]

K thanks

Edit: I forgot to ask this:

Will there be a lot of boards for socket 939 by august? Or will there still be only a few?

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

they should come rolling in as the Nvidia 250 939's come out in the next few weeks in greater numbers

 

[Confusednewbie1552]

k Thanks everyone!

 

[flashbacck]

I'm gonna resurrect this thread so I can ask a related question...

If Socket 939 is going to be around for the next couple of years, what of Socket 754? And what's Socket 940?

Thanks

 

[PhoenixOrion]

I thought AMD is trying to unify all performance levels under one socket, the 939.

Pricewise, the only 939 boards that may drop around august would be based on via chipsets. depends mostly on big slug of nforce3 for 939 hitting august/early september.

 

[GZFant]

This thread answered so many of my questions!!

Thank you Confusednewbie!!!

 

[GhandiInstinct]

Yea GZFant, same here. I have another one though. AMD have any plans for a new socket? When they go dual-core that is... In my opinion the safest investment computer wise right now, is an A64 Socket 939 system. It's more future proof than Intel. Not to mention its a lot faster.

The only negative is the price. AMD has been waiting for this moment to overthrow Intels reign in the cpu market for quite a while. So they aren't laying back, they're taking the whole enchilada and cinnamon sticks.

 

[swaq]

Socket 754 is supposed to become the low end socket. It will continue to support the Athlon 64 and the Athlon XP will be moved to socket 754 (yes, the socket will have 32 and 64 bit processors on it).

 

[Soulkeeper]

socket 939 should last atleast half is long as socket A
my guess is 2 years+
next year could bring dual core socket 939 Athlons to the market

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Confusednewbie1552
All right thanks. One last question will Socket 939 boards still be over priced by august?

I thought it was the CPUs for 939 that are excessively expensive? Some of the motherboards aren't that pricey.

 

[imported_Aelius]

I find it highly unlikely that AMD will be able to deliver a dual core processor even by the end of next year in anything other than a paper launch and possibly early engineering samples. There is simply too many problems associated with heat in the 90nm process and having two cores side by side, while not impossible, and be stable is unlikely to be a simple task that AMD suggests.

I think if they can overcome the heat issue it maybe possible that AMD will launch their dual core processors by H1 of 2006 but that's just my oppinion.

I don't think we will truly know until we see all of the initial 90nm process CPUs released later on this year and early next year.

Also keep in mind that the first dual core CPU will most likely be an Opteron for the server market followed up by an FX chip. Neither one will be anywhere near "affordable" unless you tend to light cigars with $100 bills.

Even the most encouraging documentation I have seen doesn't put an A64 dual core CPU into the market until mid 2006 at the earliest. That's assuming everything goes according to plan.

Food for thought.

 

[clarkey01]

dual core is being over hyped.

back to the thread, AMD has a socket 900 in the works, 06/07 me thinks, maybe even late 05, can someone shed light on this ?

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: clarkey01
dual core is being over hyped.

back to the thread, AMD has a socket 900 in the works, 06/07 me thinks, maybe even late 05, can someone shed light on this ?

You probably found the multi CPU compatible socket. AMD had already stated that they plan to release a new socket that will be able to handle CPUs from socket 754, 939 and CPUs designed for the new socket (FX & A64 dual-core CPUs). Information is sketchy at best on this.

 

[clarkey01]

sounds Phat, a good move for once.

 

[darXoul]

Originally posted by: clarkey01
dual core is being over hyped.

The same applies to socket 939 as well, at least in its current form. I think its upgradeability and the preached "2006 market stability" are a myth without PCI-E, DDRII and possibly BTX. Unless you're an enthusiast who upgrades a CPU every 6 months, I honestly fail to see any advantage of socket 939 (let's say, A64 3500+) over socket 754, e.g. A64 3400+.

When the next upgrade is due, you'll trash your board anyway.

 

[bwanaaa]

i agree darXoul. dual core procs, pci express-all these things will cause new mobo revisions. MY QUESTION IS: which is more overclockable- 3400 or 3500?

i guess it would depend on the mobo ;.>

 

[darXoul]

Probably. Damn, I would like to see a comprehensive comparison of 3400+ and 3500+ OC results as well. If you search reviews around the net thoroughly, you'll probably find some answers but what I desire is a megareview devoted solely to overclocking of all A64 CPUs available on the market - complete with multiplier and FSB tweaking, voltage, etc.

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: darXoul

Originally posted by: clarkey01
dual core is being over hyped.

The same applies to socket 939 as well, at least in its current form. I think its upgradeability and the preached "2006 market stability" are a myth without PCI-E, DDRII and possibly BTX. Unless you're an enthusiast who upgrades a CPU every 6 months, I honestly fail to see any advantage of socket 939 (let's say, A64 3500+) over socket 754, e.g. A64 3400+.

When the next upgrade is due, you'll trash your board anyway.

PCI-E, DDRII, and BTX are completely meaningless to AMD with the current CPUs that are out. Maybe BTX might be needed once 90nm CPUs start coming out, because of heat, but I wouldn't put any money on that.

DDRII is a requirement for future Intel CPUs since Intel can't go any further with DDR anymore. That is why they are pushing it. Not so for AMD where it makes absolutely no difference what so ever. The design of AMD CPUs don't require DDRII to be used now or in the near future. Perhaps late model 90nm CPUs or dual core CPUs might change that but again that's a guess at best.

PCI-E is currently useful for one thing only. Lowering the cost of producing motherboards and perhaps video cards. This means more profits for companies but I wouldn't bet on them passing the savings onto the clients.

Performance either stays the same or is marginally less when PCI-E is used. Look at some early benchmarks. It just underlines the fact that video cards cannot be engineered to take serious advantage of anything beyond AGP 4X until greater than 32-36GB/sec BUS can be reached outside of the video card itself. PCI-E is currently 800% behind the minimum requirement for that.

Again AMD doesn't need any of the above 3 right now nor in the near future. It may be integrated in a year or two because of the requirement of the market (marketing is good at that) but it won't have jack to do with a requirement for the CPU.