Solaris

[nweaver]

NOT....

wth...is that vi from 1982? I am having to scp files to/from my linux box just to freaking edit them....

And for the love of god, is there some package management/updater? Google yeilds NO results.

driving my nuts...why oh why couldn't our vendor have done a Linux on Sparc port?

Edit: dumping some stuff, just for anyone looking or caring, and mostly for my own use next time I feel like dipping myself in boiling oil OR configuring a solaris machine (which are about the same on my "fun" scale)

/usr/bin/smc is the solaris management console (thank god for X11 forwarding)
hmeX is interface naming, ifconfig hme0 to find IP of interface 0

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: nweaver
NOT....

wth...is that vi from 1982? I am having to scp files to/from my linux box just to freaking edit them....

Do you want vi or vim? If you want that aborted fetus of an editor, install vim from one of the solaris package repositories.

Same goes for that lump of poo named bash.

And for the love of god, is there some package management/updater? Google yeilds NO results.

Yes. But it sucks. Use pkgsrc.

driving my nuts...why oh why couldn't our vendor have done a Linux on Sparc port?

Linux is teh suck?

Edit: dumping some stuff, just for anyone looking or caring, and mostly for my own use next time I feel like dipping myself in boiling oil OR configuring a solaris machine (which are about the same on my "fun" scale)

/usr/bin/smc is the solaris management console (thank god for X11 forwarding)
hmeX is interface naming, ifconfig hme0 to find IP of interface 0

mmmm happy meals.

 

[flyers1]

Solaris does take some getting used to but it isn't that bad. I work in a lab with over 100 solaris machines and very little linux. No other UNIXs. Not sure what your complaint is with vi...it is just like any other vi I've ever used.

For the package management, use pkgadd, pkginfo and pkgrm. Also go to sunfreeware.com for precompiled open source stuff. Definitely not as nice as apt or synaptic on linux but it works.

Also, use Solaris 10 if you can. zfs is really nice and easy to maintain from an administrators perspective. Definitely better than anything on Linux.

 

[Arkaign]

Solaris isn't flashy, but it's about as solid as *Nix comes

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: nweaver

/usr/bin/smc is the solaris management console (thank god for X11 forwarding)
hmeX is interface naming, ifconfig hme0 to find IP of interface 0

mmmm happy meals.

happy magic ethernet?

wth...is that vi from 1982?

You know, since visudo on Debian calls up nano anyway, I've started to just use nano all the time. There are some big differences in CentOS's vi and Debian's vi, too (not sure if this has something to with one maybe actually being vim or what), and instead of getting used to Debian's vi, as I said I have just started using nano and like it better now anyway.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Brazen
happy magic ethernet?

I believe hme cards were traditionally called HappyMEals.

You know, since visudo on Debian calls up nano anyway, I've started to just use nano all the time. There are some big differences in CentOS's vi and Debian's vi, too (not sure if this has something to with one maybe actually being vim or what), and instead of getting used to Debian's vi, as I said I have just started using nano and like it better now anyway.

It should use $EDITOR, maybe you have that misconfigured.

I didn't even know nano still existed...

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Brazen
happy magic ethernet?

I believe hme cards were traditionally called HappyMEals.

I like my term better

It should use $EDITOR, maybe you have that misconfigured.

pfft, I misconfigure nothing. NOTHING!

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Brazen
I like my term better

That's why you're a linux user.

 

[A5]

Well, if you have X forwarding, you can try to use gedit or dtpad (/usr/dt/bin/dtpad if it isn't in your path), depending on if you have gnome and/or CDE installed. I can't really decide if hate CDE(motif is just painful for GUI work) or JDS(basically Gnome 2.6) more though.

There's also a number of alternative shells shipped with the OS (I like /usr/bin/tcsh myself, since it has history and path completion).

But you can't really argue with free world-class compilers and a free OS (as long as you don't need support) .

 

[Nothinman]

You know, since visudo on Debian calls up nano anyway, I've started to just use nano all the time. There are some big differences in CentOS's vi and Debian's vi, too (not sure if this has something to with one maybe actually being vim or what), and instead of getting used to Debian's vi, as I said I have just started using nano and like it better now anyway.

Actually it just calls whatever editor you have setup in alternatives and apparently nano is higher priority than vi/nvi on your system. Ans for RH/CentOS vs Debian vim, it's just the default settings and such, to get most of the same stuff in RH/CentOS you need to isntall the vim-extras package IIRC>

I believe hme cards were traditionally called HappyMEals.

Just to be pedantic the 'e' in hme is for Ethernet AFAIK, i.e. Happy Meal Ethernet.

But you can't really argue with free world-class compilers and a free OS (as long as you don't need support) .

Sure you can, just because something is free that doesn't mean it has to be crap and Sun has been working on this software for so long you'd think they'd have had the time to fix some of the really stupid stuff.

 

[DasFox]

nweaver you should know with your experience there is nothing very user friendly when it comes to Unix, they are systems for experienced users, not newbies. Now granted they are trying to change all of this, and PC-BSD is the first to bring some ease to the world of Unix, but when it comes to Solaris, you better have a few years of Linux/Unix under your belt.

After a few years in Linux I didn't find Solaris difficult, just different, you just have to find your way around is all.

You'll get it, just keep plugging away, soon you'll be a pro.

ALOHA

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

I believe hme cards were traditionally called HappyMEals.

Just to be pedantic the 'e' in hme is for Ethernet AFAIK, i.e. Happy Meal Ethernet.

Yeah I know, but I've always seem them referred to as "Happy Meals," not "Happy Meal Ethernet." So I figured I would make it easy.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: DasFox
nweaver you should know with your experience there is nothing very user friendly when it comes to Unix, they are systems for experienced users, not newbies. Now granted they are trying to change all of this, and PC-BSD is the first to bring some ease to the world of Unix, but when it comes to Solaris, you better have a few years of Linux/Unix under your belt.

After a few years in Linux I didn't find Solaris difficult, just different, you just have to find your way around is all.

You'll get it, just keep plugging away, soon you'll be a pro.

ALOHA

I'd be hesistant to put PC-BSD into the same bucket as any unix (TM or not)...

 

[nweaver]

yeah, one of the first things to happen on my deb stable boxes is apt-get install vim (thank the gods for apt-get)


tried installing VIM from packages, but it's not working....oh well, It's easy enough to scp back/forth, and I'm almost done with this anyway (I'm cheating and using DD to image the solaris disk from one server to the other 9, then I'll make quick changes to network and be done)

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: nweaver
yeah, one of the first things to happen on my deb stable boxes is apt-get install vim (thank the gods for apt-get)


tried installing VIM from packages, but it's not working....oh well, It's easy enough to scp back/forth, and I'm almost done with this anyway (I'm cheating and using DD to image the solaris disk from one server to the other 9, then I'll make quick changes to network and be done)

What's failing with vim?

 

[DasFox]

Freeware for Solaris ------> http://www.sunfreeware.com/

ALOHA

 

[nweaver]

said VIM needed gtk, gtk needed glibc, installed all those from sunfreeware, and now it's complaining it needs something else, I'm just using echo, >, and scp to get it done...not that there is much to do (configure hostnames and networks)

 

[DasFox]

Just try using Nano for a simple easy editor. It should not require anything.

ALOHA

 

[nweaver]

doesn't have nano (or not in the path)

nano is crappy after using VIM for a while (imho)

 

[drag]

sounds like you'll either have to just learn how to use regular vi, which is a good thing as everybody but Microsoft and Linux uses regular vi, or compile a "No X" version of Vim for the Solaris box.

 

[greylica]

Good,
I tried Solaris for a while. A complete lack of general hardware drivers even for Nvidia and ATI cards turn Solaris into a great deception for me.
Why don´t we have softwares like Linux ? And Sound Card Drivers for Creative ? And DVD support ? K3B ? Nvidia Panel is only for Quadro Professional or QuadroPlex ?
We have to compile it all again ?
I have the certainty that the best things in Solaris turns available for the Linux soon. I will wait for ZFS for Linux.

The developping of Sun OS for the general population like normal workstation seems to be years from Linux.

They call it the most advanced software in the world, OMG, it really can be.

For them.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: greylica
Good,
I tried Solaris for a while. A complete lack of general hardware drivers even for Nvidia and ATI cards turn Solaris into a great deception for me.
Why don´t we have softwares like Linux ? And Sound Card Drivers for Creative ? And DVD support ? K3B ? Nvidia Panel is only for Quadro Professional or QuadroPlex ?
We have to compile it all again ?
I have the certainty that the best things in Solaris turns available for the Linux soon. I will wait for ZFS for Linux.

The developping of Sun OS for the general population like normal workstation seems to be years from Linux.

They call it the most advanced software in the world, OMG, it really can be.

For them.

Both nVidia and ATI cards are supported.

 

[greylica]

So, its easy to install them as we did in (any)Buntu, Debian, Suse, Red Hat or Mandriva ?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: greylica
So, its easy to install them as we did in (any)Buntu, Debian, Suse, Red Hat or Mandriva ?

They should be installed with the rest of the X drivers. I've never tried, I don't have access to a Solaris box with video.

 

[nweaver]

so if hme's are happy meal ethernet...what is the bge?