Sony dropping a 42mp bomb

[Aharami]

I've been waiting patiently for Canon to release their 5D Mk3 successor, but looks like that wont be coming anytime soon. Thinking of picking up one of these instead and using my canon glass with the metabones adapters.

edit: eh nevermind. apparently the AF is super slow with these adapters.

 

[blastingcap]

I've been waiting patiently for Canon to release their 5D Mk3 successor, but looks like that wont be coming anytime soon. Thinking of picking up one of these instead and using my canon glass with the metabones adapters.

edit: eh nevermind. apparently the AF is super slow with these adapters.

The new A7RII is supposed to offer near-Canon-DSLR AF speeds via adapter, with Canon EF lenses. The newest Metabones was specifically named as "especially" good but the implication was that other adapters would benefit as well. Here is one of many reviewers talking about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdhvDg2dkiM

Also, someone is apparently coming up with a Nikon F to Sony E/FE adapter after all. I have no idea how that would work since Nikon F lenses are mechanical aperture, among other things, but: http://xjrumo.com/2015/06/06/new-adaptor/

 

[tdawg]

Well, I jumped. Bought an A7 bundle from Adorama along with Leica and Nikon F adapters from B&H, and am set to sell my D600 this evening.

I haven't shot or owned anything other than Nikon going back to '03, so it's a little weird changing camps, like I'm cheating or something.

 

[CuriousMike]

Bold move... I like it.

The only thing you lose with the Nikon lenses is AF, right?
i.e., you retain metering?

 

[tdawg]

Bold move... I like it.

The only thing you lose with the Nikon lenses is AF, right?
i.e., you retain metering?

I'm not even sure what I retain with the nikon adapter. I'm assuming full manual control, since I only bought the $100 metabones adapter, not the much more expensive options.

This is just to see how my 50 and 85 are used on the Sony. I also have access to some Leica M lenses I'm looking forward to playing around with.

I will eventually pick up used Sony fe lenses, the 35 f/2.8 and the 55 f/1.8, and either the 16-35 f4 or the 10-18 f4 (based on proven use by Trey Ratcliff).

 

[blastingcap]

I'm not even sure what I retain with the nikon adapter. I'm assuming full manual control, since I only bought the $100 metabones adapter, not the much more expensive options.

This is just to see how my 50 and 85 are used on the Sony. I also have access to some Leica M lenses I'm looking forward to playing around with.

I will eventually pick up used Sony fe lenses, the 35 f/2.8 and the 55 f/1.8, and either the 16-35 f4 or the 10-18 f4 (based on proven use by Trey Ratcliff).

If you plan to use Nikon "G" lenses (which is most of the new ones--they have no manual aperture ring), you need a Nikon "G" to Sony E adapter. I think Metabones has a very expensive one (definitely not just $100) that has a manual aperture ring that uses the lens's aperture blades, but everyone else uses the ghetto-but-effective workaround of keeping the lens wide open and then changing the aperture via the adapter's own aperture blades: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1097672-REG/fotodiox_nk_g_nex_p_ii_adapter_for_nikon_g.html

Supposedly someone is coming out with a rival to the expensive Metabones but goes one step further: it can autofocus! But I don't know if it's vaporware or what: http://xjrumo.com/2015/06/06/new-adaptor/

If you have Nikon "D" lenses then you can use the cheapest dumb adapter possible, since you just select the aperture via the ring on the lens itself.

Bold move... I like it.

The only thing you lose with the Nikon lenses is AF, right?
i.e., you retain metering?

Shoot in Aperture priority mode with whatever adapter you end up using, and it will be fine. The sensor will automatically meter for you via the sensor. With mirrorless cameras, EVERYTHING is done via the sensor. No off-sensor PDAF or metering sensors.

 

[tdawg]

The only G lens I own is the 16-35 f4 and I'm working on selling it, so I'll have the 50, 85 and 80-200 (which I'll also likely work on selling) left, which are all D lens. All of it will be here by Monday and I'll start playing with it. I officially sold off the D600 today.

I typically shoot in aperture priority mode, so it's good to hear that's the secret to getting metering done from the camera.

 

[MrSquished]

I don't believe the full frame lenses and cameras from Sony are any lighter than Nikon's. The lenses definitely aren't. Pure physics determines the size of lenses for the most part. I'd say a mountain is the perfect time for a DSLR since you'll always have the camera out and around your neck/shoulder. It's when you're in busy/crowded areas that a smaller camera is really useful, or when you just want to have the camera always on you or in a bag for just in case moments.

backpackers count the ounces saved when it comes to climbing with stuff up a mountain. just sayin.

 

[tdawg]

backpackers count the ounces saved when it comes to climbing with stuff up a mountain. just sayin.

Yep!

 

[foghorn67]

I want to like this and convert to Sony, but I can't. The whole (original) point was to draw the prices down a bit. But I'm not totally seeing it. The original A7 is super cheap for FF. But I think Sony figured out they have a market for high end mirrorless cameras. I bought a 6D for the interim, but after seeing the 70D, the 7D II, and the latest Rebels getting the dual pixel AF treatment, I have no doubt the 5D and 6D successors get the same capabilities. Which kind of takes away of the advantages of the mirrorless AF in live view and video. I don't care about the weight. I used to be a full time wedding photographer carrying two cameras onmmr for 6-8 hours a wedding. At that point, you just man up and build the stamina for that.
I wouldnt enjoy the tiny batteries the Sony's have. If was more of a traveker, I might think different. I think the whole DSLR vs Mirrorless is blown out of proportion. They both are going to gain from technology.
My last video shoot (band single) used the 7D II and the Sony A7 II or S. I forgot. Anyway, the 7D was so much more capable. It wasn't even close. I ended up manually focusing the Sony. The 7D II was the first camera I ever used where I could depend on the AF in video. It's obscene on how on the mark it was.

 

[AkumaX]

IThe RX100m4 announcement is what I was really waiting for, though. I don't need the improved specs like 4K video or faster fps, but I am waiting for RX100m3 prices to drop to get one for my wife, who won't use anything bigger yet wants an EVF, making the RX100m3 the only good choice.

Problem is they raised the MSRP on the RX100 to $1000 (for the mk4). RX100iii is still sitting pretty @ $800 MSRP.

Lowest I've seen (new) is through my Sony rewards card, 20% off @ $640.

 

[Syborg1211]

I think it's pretty awesome to see Sony back to being what I considered Sony like 15-20 years ago. They were innovative but required a premium price for that. I remember getting one of their walkman disc players that was the thinnest portable cd player out there and still had skip protection. I loved bringing that thing to school in my backpack and showing it off!

 

[blastingcap]

I want to like this and convert to Sony, but I can't. The whole (original) point was to draw the prices down a bit. But I'm not totally seeing it. The original A7 is super cheap for FF. But I think Sony figured out they have a market for high end mirrorless cameras. I bought a 6D for the interim, but after seeing the 70D, the 7D II, and the latest Rebels getting the dual pixel AF treatment, I have no doubt the 5D and 6D successors get the same capabilities. Which kind of takes away of the advantages of the mirrorless AF in live view and video. I don't care about the weight. I used to be a full time wedding photographer carrying two cameras onmmr for 6-8 hours a wedding. At that point, you just man up and build the stamina for that.
I wouldnt enjoy the tiny batteries the Sony's have. If was more of a traveker, I might think different. I think the whole DSLR vs Mirrorless is blown out of proportion. They both are going to gain from technology.
My last video shoot (band single) used the 7D II and the Sony A7 II or S. I forgot. Anyway, the 7D was so much more capable. It wasn't even close. I ended up manually focusing the Sony. The 7D II was the first camera I ever used where I could depend on the AF in video. It's obscene on how on the mark it was.

Mirrorless is about much more than size/weight. And complaining about batteries? Really? You can just keep a couple of spares around. And Sony bodies can charge the battery when hooked up to USB. And give exact %battery left. They also make grips and stuff for some of the bodies.

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/07...w-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-ilc

http://www.sansmirror.com/newsviews/why-do-people-really-buy.html

I think it's pretty awesome to see Sony back to being what I considered Sony like 15-20 years ago. They were innovative but required a premium price for that. I remember getting one of their walkman disc players that was the thinnest portable cd player out there and still had skip protection. I loved bringing that thing to school in my backpack and showing it off!

They had no choice. To win market share you can't just tie the market leaders, you have to BEAT them. Sony is throwing everything it can at CaNikon. http://www.dpreview.com/articles/07...mer-s-voice-is-the-most-important-data-for-me

Problem is they raised the MSRP on the RX100 to $1000 (for the mk4). RX100iii is still sitting pretty @ $800 MSRP.

Lowest I've seen (new) is through my Sony rewards card, 20% off @ $640.

I have an RX100m2 already so we can afford to be patient. I may keep the RX100m2 just because it has a hotshoe and external flash is useful sometimes.

 

[elitejp]

I think the whole DSLR vs Mirrorless is blown out of proportion. They both are going to gain from technology.
My last video shoot (band single) used the 7D II and the Sony A7 II or S. I forgot. Anyway, the 7D was so much more capable. It wasn't even close. I ended up manually focusing the Sony. The 7D II was the first camera I ever used where I could depend on the AF in video. It's obscene on how on the mark it was.

I agree with you there about mirrorless vs dslr. But then again people just like to argue. It doesnt matter what brand you buy you just need to look at what you shoot and see what offers the best product for yourself.
I bought the 6d without even needing to consider the 5d3. The better higher iso and the fact that I shoot 99% stills means the 6d was the better option. Now with the a7r ii offering improved af with canon lenses, smaller body (for traveling or just carrying around) and greater dr range with a huge increase in megapixels its shaping up to be the perfect camera for me.

I will say this because ive shot canon for quite a while, Canon overly protects its line segments. Sony appears to put everything new in the camera they can.

 

[foghorn67]

I agree with you there about mirrorless vs dslr. But then again people just like to argue. It doesnt matter what brand you buy you just need to look at what you shoot and see what offers the best product for yourself.
I bought the 6d without even needing to consider the 5d3. The better higher iso and the fact that I shoot 99% stills means the 6d was the better option. Now with the a7r ii offering improved af with canon lenses, smaller body (for traveling or just carrying around) and greater dr range with a huge increase in megapixels its shaping up to be the perfect camera for me.

I will say this because ive shot canon for quite a while, Canon overly protects its line segments. Sony appears to put everything new in the camera they can.

Agree on all points. But as far as timing goes with my personal purchases...It's more likely will that a Canon FF will get the dual pixel AF treatment soon. I'm not in the market for another FF for the next few months...If I was, I would just add that beautiful Sony to my kit.

I think Canon will relent on protecting against cannibalization (to a certain point). I mean, a prosumer grade APS-C SLR got 99% of the 1DX AF capabilities. That was unheard of just a bit ago. Their lens releases have been very rapid fire and pretty much nailing it every time.

 

[Aharami]

The new A7RII is supposed to offer near-Canon-DSLR AF speeds via adapter, with Canon EF lenses. The newest Metabones was specifically named as "especially" good but the implication was that other adapters would benefit as well. Here is one of many reviewers talking about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdhvDg2dkiM

Also, someone is apparently coming up with a Nikon F to Sony E/FE adapter after all. I have no idea how that would work since Nikon F lenses are mechanical aperture, among other things, but: http://xjrumo.com/2015/06/06/new-adaptor/

do you know if the A7II is just as good with Canon lenses? Don't really need 42MP

 

[blastingcap]

do you know if the A7II is just as good with Canon lenses? Don't really need 42MP

A7II does not focus as fast with EF lenses via adapter, if that's what you mean. You can still use EF lenses just much slower AF, or manual focus. Some people actually like manual focusing everything, and it's a LOT easier to do with an EVF and Focus Peaking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH_3f5xmJ_k

 

[Scooby Doo]

A7II does not focus as fast with EF lenses via adapter, if that's what you mean. You can still use EF lenses just much slower AF, or manual focus. Some people actually like manual focusing everything, and it's a LOT easier to do with an EVF and Focus Peaking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH_3f5xmJ_k

This looks quite fast... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdhvDg2dkiM

 

[AkumaX]

This looks quite fast... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdhvDg2dkiM

Yes the A7Rii is (under initial tests) quite fast for PDAF with Canon EF lenses and an appropriate adapter

But the A7ii (no R) is quite slow and unusable (trust me, I've tested it myself haha)

 

[blastingcap]

This looks quite fast... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdhvDg2dkiM

That's an A7RII pre-production model, not an A7II.

The pre-production model doesn't even have the right model number on the front, btw.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Opps... I saw 42mp and thought you had left off the "R"

 

[soccerballtux]

I feel bad for sony. I wish they'd gotten their way and gotten to put tons of Cell processors into everything. Then ARM came along and stole their thunder.

 

[finbarqs]

man.. can't wait to get this. I have 2 5dMK2 bodies, the 5D3 was tempting, but not enough... but this is definitely... I think it's probably going to be better than the 5DR or the 5Ds... I just hate the big bulky DSLR bodies now... it's not very inconspicuous... especially taking street photos. People want to get out of your way.

 

[MrSquished]

man.. can't wait to get this. I have 2 5dMK2 bodies, the 5D3 was tempting, but not enough... but this is definitely... I think it's probably going to be better than the 5DR or the 5Ds... I just hate the big bulky DSLR bodies now... it's not very inconspicuous... especially taking street photos. People want to get out of your way.

indeed. using my OM-D's is great for street shooting. because the cameras are such lookers as well instead of shying away, people more so want to ask what kind of camera i'm using.

 

[Aharami]

woah didnt know Sony had all this tech in their new cameras
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4GTBkCxjcI

I think this going to be my next purchase