Southwest U.S. Heat Dome

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SteveGrabowski

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Another nice graphic illustrating how garbage our weather was this month from our local ABC affiliate in San Antonio. Average high temperatures in June are 90 on June 1st to 93 on June 30th.



There were only six days this month the temperature wasn't at least 6 degrees above average: the 2nd, 3rd, 15th, 28th, 29th, and 30th.
 

SteveGrabowski

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Hottest May ever recorded in San Antonio followed by hottest June ever recorded in San Antonio. Jeez I wonder what July will be like?
 
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SteveGrabowski

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Our cold front that was supposed to bring below average temperatures for 4-5 days lasted for one day. One fucking day. June 28th. Back to the 100s tomorrow probably.
 

fleshconsumed

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Shit's getting real. We're moving from IL to CO in a month. We hate midwest heatwaves accompanied by 60-90% RH and then inevitable storms that follow that flood the neighborhood and bring out swarms of mosquitoes two weeks later like a clock. Going to be renting for a couple of years before buying something of our own. We would love to build our own to make sure we build it right with proper insulation throughout, good windows, air sealed tight, and solar panels with backup battery to ensure we'll be good in case of a heatwave/power outage. Unfortunately, that's going to be really difficult aka expensive. And to be clear, this is not CO specific problem, it's becoming a problem everywhere (see PNW in the summer of 2021 for example). We need to address climate change now, and that includes how we build housing too, not just denser housing, but better housing, better insulation, better house design/layout that helps the house stay cool in the summer. People and builders are still carrying on like that's not a problem...
 

nakedfrog

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Shit's getting real. We're moving from IL to CO in a month. We hate midwest heatwaves accompanied by 60-90% RH and then inevitable storms that follow that flood the neighborhood and bring out swarms of mosquitoes two weeks later like a clock. Going to be renting for a couple of years before buying something of our own. We would love to build our own to make sure we build it right with proper insulation throughout, good windows, air sealed tight, and solar panels with backup battery to ensure we'll be good in case of a heatwave/power outage. Unfortunately, that's going to be really difficult aka expensive. And to be clear, this is not CO specific problem, it's becoming a problem everywhere (see PNW in the summer of 2021 for example). We need to address climate change now, and that includes how we build housing too, not just denser housing, but better housing, better insulation, better house design/layout that helps the house stay cool in the summer. People and builders are still carrying on like that's not a problem...
Yeah, at least our PNW heat dome last year had the courtesy to fuck off after a few days.
 
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SteveGrabowski

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Yeah, at least our PNW heat dome last year had the courtesy to fuck off after a few days.

Our's is going to be here until fucking mid September or maybe even early October. 22 days at 100 and over so far this year when the previous record was 13 by July 1st. 18 days over 100 per year should be our average and instead we had 17 days over 100 last month.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Our's is going to be here until fucking mid September or maybe even early October. 22 days at 100 and over so far this year when the previous record was 13 by July 1st. 18 days over 100 per year should be our average and instead we had 17 days over 100 last month.
At some point, the 'heat dome' is just 'summer'.

Been unseasonably warm in upstate NY as well, not as severe but enough that I don't want to work outside.
 

SteveGrabowski

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At some point, the 'heat dome' is just 'summer'.

Been unseasonably warm in upstate NY as well, not as severe but enough that I don't want to work outside.

This isn't just summer. I have been through a ton of summers in San Antonio and I have never seen anything as unrelenting as this one this early. It's very normal to have very hot days and hot stretches in June. But this is almost nonstop. This June would have been an incredibly nasty August any other year, where August is almost always our hottest month.
 

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This isn't just summer. I have been through a ton of summers in San Antonio and I have never seen anything as unrelenting as this one this early. It's very normal to have very hot days and hot stretches in June. But this is almost nonstop. This June would have been an incredibly nasty August any other year, where August is almost always our hottest month.
I more meant that the damn thing will last so long it'll just be the entire summer, year after year.
 
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fleshconsumed

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At some point, the 'heat dome' is just 'summer'.
Yes, that is becoming new normal, which is why ideally we would love to build a house that is designed with climate change in mind. At least CO will have low humidity and night time temps still dip to 70 most of the nights so we'd be able to cool the house by opening windows in the evening.
 
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SteveGrabowski

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Ugh normal average temperature would be 93-94. Fuck this summer, it never lets up. SSE wind also means lots of humidity coming off the Gulf of Mexico.

 
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SteveGrabowski

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June electric bill was ridiculous, looks like same shit for July. I just hope it actually cools down in September.
 

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Posted this in the Off-Topic weather thread, but figure it fit in here too. Fuck this summer.

So the title of this Washington Post article sums up pretty well how shitty the weather has been in my neck of the woods: San Antonio had 17 days of triple digit heat in June. There’s usually two.


Another quote from the article:


Ugh and July and August are the typical hot months here.
Solar panel roof ASAP
 

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So real talk... is there actually a science based reason solar isn't used more in Texas? Or is this really just paying lip service to big energy and intentionally sabotaging renewables? I'm not a consumer energy expert by any means, but it sure seems that a place like Texas that gets 8+ months a year of sun and heat could power quite a bit off a source that they get for free. Yes I know that panels, installation and integration isn't free. But the sun part is. And I'm also pretty sure that a solar panel on your roof absorbing that heat instead of your roof proper probably helps on passive cooling too. But again, this is just dumb dumb me with simple questions.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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So real talk... is there actually a science based reason solar isn't used more in Texas? Or is this really just paying lip service to big energy and intentionally sabotaging renewables? I'm not a consumer energy expert by any means, but it sure seems that a place like Texas that gets 8+ months a year of sun and heat could power quite a bit off a source that they get for free. Yes I know that panels, installation and integration isn't free. But the sun part is. And I'm also pretty sure that a solar panel on your roof absorbing that heat instead of your roof proper probably helps on passive cooling too. But again, this is just dumb dumb me with simple questions.
Solar is still expensive, up-front. It can save money in the long run, and that over-under is getting better all the time, but most people don't just have $5k to plop down on an investment (more if you're smart and add a battery system). I think it makes total sense to align with a roof replacement though, if such a thing were to be necessary.

I'm pretty sure that it does help with insulating the house to an extent, but so does the air gap in the attic, so it probably won't help that much. Painting your house white, getting rid of all your windows, and getting better wall insulation will do more for keeping the cold in. There's a few creative uses of thermal mass that can go a long way too, but most houses aren't designed in a way to benefit from it.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Oh, as an additional note... most states have community solar you can hitch your wagon to, it's generally cheaper than whatever the normie local power company is, and obviously guaranteed to be renewable. A few also offer sign-on bonuses as well as referral bonuses. TX is included in that, several community solar projects from brief googling. I've been on a NY community solar plan for about a year and some change and couldn't be happier.
 
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SteveGrabowski

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So Texas broke another energy demand record with ERCOT reporting 77,721MW demand at 4:55PM CST today. Beating out our previous record of 76,592MW from June 23rd, which beat our previous record of around 75,000MW from June 12th. And it's not even especially hot today in San Antonio. It was only 100 today. When that new fucking heat dome starts moving west and brings our state's temps up another 4-5 degrees Saturday through Monday I wonder how high this will push our demand.
 

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All I know is, this much heat is probably going to make hurricane season pretty lit. Gulf Coast waters gonna be toasty.
 

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So Texas broke another energy demand record with ERCOT reporting 77,721MW demand at 4:55PM CST today. Beating out our previous record of 76,592MW from June 23rd, which beat our previous record of around 75,000MW from June 12th. And it's not even especially hot today in San Antonio. It was only 100 today. When that new fucking heat dome starts moving west and brings our state's temps up another 4-5 degrees Saturday through Monday I wonder how high this will push our demand.

Deferred maintenance and being run hard through the summer is going to make for an interesting winter.
 

Brovane

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So real talk... is there actually a science based reason solar isn't used more in Texas? Or is this really just paying lip service to big energy and intentionally sabotaging renewables? I'm not a consumer energy expert by any means, but it sure seems that a place like Texas that gets 8+ months a year of sun and heat could power quite a bit off a source that they get for free. Yes I know that panels, installation and integration isn't free. But the sun part is. And I'm also pretty sure that a solar panel on your roof absorbing that heat instead of your roof proper probably helps on passive cooling too. But again, this is just dumb dumb me with simple questions.

The Texas power market is mostly deregulated and they don't have statewide Net-Metering for residential solar panels. Some electrical providers you pick will offer net-metering programs but it really depends on the provider. This probably makes it more difficult for residential users to see a clear ROI for installing solar panels on their roof.
 
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