gorobei
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umm, no.Lets see, Adored said "cut 1/4 i/o die" that is something he probably pulled out of thin air, someone probably told him about a I/O die or he completely guess it, and thats petty much it. later he corrected himselft and said Ryzen may be completely 7nm (the non I/O die possibility), again false. That I/O die is probably designed for notebooks, desktop and consoles.
The launch date? Fake, the specs and names 100% fake, the prices? fake. He may up correct on the names but thats petty much it. Not to mention the Navi dGPU.
you havent watched the chiplets videos or the leak video if thats what you took away from it. much like the hardwareUnboxed video reply to the leak that "debunked" the entire premise.
in order:
yes the 1/4 io was based on adored's own theories from the epic zen2 slides, so no actual hard/soft info data from his sources. but partially based on some miscommunication from his source about how many dies, that he went back to clarify but had to wait for email response. if it is one io for server and another io for everything else then it is a minor discrepancy since he did preface the leaks as possible and not certain with a ton of salt for skepticism.
adored never even came close to claiming a launch date, only that amd would probably announce something about ryzen 3000 at ces. the hardware unboxed guy didnt watch the video either and assumed the reddit leak along with adored's and his viewer's mail question as meaning release/ship at ces.
since we havent seen any official names/counts/specs it is undetermined whether this part of the leak was accurate.
the prices part was a guess based on the reddit leak as he adjusted a few prices based on the speed numbers improvements his source gave. he specifically indicates the lack of confidence in the last column(price numbers) at the end of the video. since we have no hard numbers it isnt right or wrong yet. and as he pointed out, may have been a attempt to test audience feedback to see if they were pricing it too low.
the ryzenG parts (navi) are likely a later product, perhaps conditional on ddrX vs hbm availability. but the apu 12nm vega refresh parts are likely a holdover, perhaps something they had in pipeline and couldnt cancel. it certainly makes it easier for whichever laptop partners they had prior to upgrade/transition for next years mobile products. so for now that would be the biggest contradiction. given how well the kabylake-g/emib parts reviewed, it may take an active interposer butterdoughnut implementation before amd is comfortable pushing out a zen2 apu.
the hardware unboxed guy was operating on a 'what has come before' fallacy. he heard the 'at the time' outrageous number/count/speed/price jump and rejected it out of hand because it hadnt happened in recent history. he rejected the idea of separate io die(wrong), multiple(2) chiplets(likely very wrong given spacing of dies), and the speed/performance increase(possibly wrong given the cinebench demo). he never even bothered to view the chiplet/interposer video covering the paper on chiplet economy of scaling which predicted intel's mesh topology and eventual multi die foveros(?). you know that university research project from the pre-zen/infinityfabric days with the senior amd engineer as advisor that i linked a few pages ago.
the economy of scale from a single chiplet for console/server/ryzen is something only amd could do, and adored was one of the few if not the only one to be talking about this. the hardwareunboxed guy didnt do any homework or even a basic review of the data from the source, and now he has some serious egg on his face.
adored has been wrong and off about things before, i went back and viewed some of his older stuff and there was some just facepalm worthy bits. but his analysis and research has always been pretty good. and in the last 2 to 3 years his sources have been very good.
at worst this has been an amd feeling out the consumer test, attempting to gauge how low/high pricing-wise they can go without giving away secrets to intel. the lack of harder numbers, while frustrating generally bode well for future products/value for consumer.