SSD Win7 imaging hell

SimMike2

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First off, let me explain that I wasn't about to go through another clean install of Windows 7 when I just finished with one three months ago. Not gonna do it! Wouldn't be prudent, not at this critical juncture! I just hate have to reinstall everything and many times reactivate and register.

I just got this Intel 80GB and talk about an imaging nightmare. The Win7 built in imager/backup would not work. When I finally got it to image to my SSD, not sure how I did this, but eventually I got it to work, it totally screwed up the alignment of the SSD. So I got rid of this and started over. What I did, which finally worked, was to go back to my hard drive that had the OS. I booted to this and formatted the SSD making sure the alignment parameters were correct. Next I used an imaging tool called "snapshot.exe."

When I had this image, which I created from within Windows, I restored this to the SSD. It didn't touch the format, but afterwards I did have to right mouse click on the drive in the Snapshot program and make sure it was active and bootable. Next I disconnected my regular hard drives and booted to the SSD. It worked and the alignment was correct. Trim is enabled and all the other Intel SSD stuff.

After I was sure it was all OK, I shutdown and connected my two regular hard drives. I can still boot to the other hard drive by choosing boot priority in the BIOS. My new SSD remembered most of the partitions, so I was good to go. I did rename my old boot drive to something different, but I decided to keep the OS intact there in case I need to boot to it for some reason in the next few days. If you want your partitions to match what they were before, you can change drive letters on everything.

I did snapshot totally within Windows. I did try the DOS boot disk I created with the program, but it didn't find my NTFS drive that had the image, which I why I had to boot to my old OS to do the image.

I kind of lost faith in the Windows Image tool. It has a real problem if you want to restore the OS partition to a smaller physical hard drive, even though the data is small enough to fit comfortably. I also was bothered that it flaked on the alignment.

I'm going to image with Acronis and probably the Win7 tool on a regular basis. If anyone has tried, I'm curious if when you restore these images, that were taken from a properly aligned SSD, if the resulting restore is properly aligned. I don't have the nerve to test this right now.
 

Cookie Monster

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Did it turn out Ok in the end? nothing buggy? which seems to happen with imaging in general.

Id like to know more from people who got away with not doing fresh installs for SSDs.
 

SimMike2

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It seems to be working OK. I'll see how it goes the next few days. If I think it might be flaky, at least I'll be able to proceed cautiously and plan my reinstall campaign. I hate it when you are more or less forced into a clean install without a few days to plan for it.

In the past, with Windows XP, I used Norton Ghost to image drives. This was done via the boot disk in a DOS environment. It worked flawlessly. The copies were perfect. Windows imaging in Vista and Win7 have little quirks as do most of the others.
 

SimMike2

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The clean install of Windows 7 in 12 minutes is not the whole story. I have a whole slew of applications that need to be installed, which I guarantee you takes lots of time. I can still choose this option, but so far my image seems to be working fine.

This SSD is fast, but I am a little disappointed it isn't as dramatic as I thought it might be. My desktop hard drive was pretty fast, so I'm betting if I put this in my notebook, I would be extremely happy with the upgrade. I do like it but these things are too expensive.
 

SolMiester

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I'm waiting for the Corsair force to arrive here at work for a SQL server database files, which are hosted on a ESX platform....
I know 2008 R2 support TRIM, however I am only using 2008 1st release. I guess I will have to map the raw drive rather than a vmdk formatted datastore, but we will see....
 

pcslookout

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The clean install of Windows 7 in 12 minutes is not the whole story. I have a whole slew of applications that need to be installed, which I guarantee you takes lots of time. I can still choose this option, but so far my image seems to be working fine.


This SSD is fast, but I am a little disappointed it isn't as dramatic as I thought it might be. My desktop hard drive was pretty fast, so I'm betting if I put this in my notebook, I would be extremely happy with the upgrade. I do like it but these things are too expensive.



Glad there are even more people that feel same way as me. The only thing I will give to SSDs that make a huge difference is when trying to open more than one application or game at once. Who does this though ? Not buying another SSD until I see a mind blowing difference. Is there such a thing as a limit of how fast a pc can be no matter what ? I always wanted a pc that could do everything in a second or less. Don't think that is possible though quite yet.
 

WillC310

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+1 for Acronis.

After I created an image, I let Win7 partition the drive and then just restored. Bam.

Re: boot times.. Yes, the SSD doesn't cut down boot times in half, but opening up apps overall system response once you are loaded makes it seem like you're working on an iPad.
 

fluffmonster

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Apparently the Win7 imaging tool somehow decides the size of the image is the size of the partition it comes from, not the actual amount of data.

"It is highly advisable to use the Shrink Volume features available in the Windows 7 Disk Management tool (inside Computer Management) and reduce the size of all primary drive partitions down to their smallest size possible. The restore-to drive must equal or exceed capacity of the original drive partition used to create a Windows 7 system image, and the partition can always be expanded using the Extend Volume feature. "
 

SimMike2

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I did shrink the volume of my boot partition to a size that would fit on the SSD. Still the Windows imaging tool would not work.

As for the speed not being as dramatic as I expected, if you run real programs, like photoshop, video editing software, games, etc., the speed difference is dramatic. If you mainly use Internet stuff, you are still contending with your broadband bottleneck, so the speed difference won't be as dramatic. I'm liking this drive the more I use it. Last night I fired up my notebook and I was thinking something was broken because it was taking so long just to do basic stuff.

BTW, I heard that if you let Windows 7 format the drive from within Windows 7, it might not format it correctly. The alignment might be wrong. Using the Windows 7 install disk to format the drive does it correctly. If you format it using the Computer Management tool in Windows 7 or Vista, you might need to manually adjust the settings.
 
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