Star Wars Philosophy

[Brigandier]

That is the way most duplicate accounts work y0.

Many don't have just 1 extra though.

When working for a webshop, we had to shut down tons of duplicates where we were also paid to manage sites.

I think you're paranoid, I have no duplicate accounts.

 

[HendrixFan]

That's not what balancing the force is. Balance to the force is where evil is ultimately defeated. The Dark side clouded the jedi's ability to use the force, which ultimately made the jedi weaker. Darth Vader brought balance to the force by killing his Sith Master and sacrificing his own life to do so. The prophecy was true, but nobody knew exactly how it would play out.

The Jedi were wrong, that was the entire point of the prequals. Yoda was wrong in his teachings and it took someone like Luke, who was distanced enough the Jedi order to buck tradition and embrace emotion and channel it in a good way.

 

[Ghiedo27]

I prefer to think of light vs dark as an artificial dichotomy. The force simply is, but the people that use it put different uses in boxes that conform to their ideals. The Obi-wan vs darth maul fight just goes to show that mixing the two is better. Healthy long view decision making from the 'light' side and the passion to execute from the 'dark'. Even Yoda did his fair share of trash talking, it was just extremely tempered.

/SWnerdery

 

[alkemyst]

I think you're paranoid, I have no duplicate accounts.

hardly paranoid in this...are you?

 

[Brigandier]

hardly paranoid in this...are you?

Not at all, a rudimentary search would reveal JediOne and me couldn't be the same person, I just find it humorous that you'd think so.

If it turns out I am JediOne, well, let's just say I'd be pretty surprised and immediately commit myself for forming two independent, mutually exclusive personalities. So, if you figure out JediOne and I are the same person, please tell me, it wouldn't be good to have that level of schizophrenic on the loose.

 

[alkemyst]

you getting that hostile in this shows me you probably do have a second account.

Forget about it son, I am so outta here now.

Enjoy talking to yourself, y0.

 

[Brigandier]

you getting that hostile in this shows me you probably do have a second account.

Forget about it son, I am so outta here now.

Enjoy talking to yourself, y0.

Who's being hostile? I just think JediOne wouldn't like to be compared to me, it's rather insulting, really.

 

[Ruptga]

Because if they always did the right thing there wouldnt BE ANY FUCKING MOVIES!

This. Blame the writers.

 

[hg321]

Yes the Jedi were at a disadvantage because they were limited to the older discipline of the old Jedi order. They believed that they should only use what they believed where the light sight of the force when in reality the force itself is not about light our dark side powers but how the powers were used. This is what gave Luke the power to defeat Vader and ultimately the emperor himself. Luke with his limited training drew upon all aspects of the force

I thought Darth Vader killed the emperor?

 

[Ghiedo27]

I thought Darth Vader killed the emperor?

Expanded Universe has a clone Emperor.

Yeeeaaaaahhh.

 

[JTsyo]

The trouble with the dark side is that it offers much strength and invites you to use it during your most dire times. Once it seduces you, it drains your life energy. From what I've seen it also seems to effecting your thinking such that your personality becomes darker. With Jedis that use the dark energy once in awhile, they seem able to recover from it instead of being depend on it. With Vader's redemption at the end we can see that it's possible to escape from the dark side even after many years under it's control. It should be no surprise then that those that use it for a few minutes are able to return without much issue.
The Light side can offer the same power but it's much harder to use. The dark side is the easy way out. Masters like Yoda can equal the power of the dark side using just their mastery of the light side.

 

[AMDZen]

I've always loved the philosophy of Star Wars, but how come, when the Jedi face a complication they resort to the dark side?

Chronologically it started with Obi-Wan facing the death of Qui-Gon. Both Ol' Ben and Qui Gon faced Darth Maul, and couldn't overcome. It wasn't until Darth Maul killed Qui-Gon, that Obi was able to defeat him. Obi used his emotions and feelings of revenge, that he could beat one of the best Sith sword-masters.

Obi-wan was very young and had just become a Jedi knight, however it wasn't hatred so much as sadness that drove his revenge. Luckily he was able to control it and his maturation process is very evident throughout the trilogy, there was no hatred even when Anakin had fallen at the end of the trilogy, it was just sadness.

In Episode III, Anakin only defeated Darth Dooku, when he gave into battle lust, with his defeat well in mind, that he cut his head.

Anakin was always prone to those feelings, thats why he fell. Before this if you remember he slaughtered a village of sand people for kidnapping and killing his mother.

Luke, in Episode V, used his emotions to survive against Darth Vader, and just escape.

In episode VI, during his battle with Darth Vader, Luke got the edge when he abandoned himself to his emotions, to the though of having his sister corrupted, and then he won.

Luke also falls, it runs in the family. If there was going to be a third trilogy, it ends the same way that the first one ends, with Luke falling to the darkside just like his father did.

Is the Jedi philosophy really apt? The Jedi have long relied on the dark side taking over, and their power lies in being a good person after that; sounds like SIth to me.

Its very difficult which is why so many Jedi fall, and why you don't train them after a certain age as with the Skywalker family. Anakin was too old at 10 years old or whatever he was, and Luke didn't start until he was a teenager, like 18 or something - obviously was too late.

If you look at the true masters in the trilogies, or read as much of the universe as I do - you see that the true followers of the light are never using the dark side. Yoda is a great example, as is Mace Windu. His temperament is such that his personality simply is, there is really no emotion there with either. Some emotions sometimes maybe, but you have definitely made the mistake of seeing Obi-wans sadness as anger, he is very consistent throughout the universe in a lot of the books as this type of character.

 

[zinfamous]

The real question is, who would win in a fight--Predator or a Jedi?

Predator, obviously.

what about Predator and Darth Vader?

Predator--but it's close.

 

[AMDZen]

The real question is, who would win in a fight--Predator or a Jedi?

Predator, obviously.

what about Predator and Darth Vader?

Predator--but it's close.

Any Jedi worth their skin could easily defeat Predator. Even with their stealth advantage, a true Jedi would feel their presence through the force and force push them off the tree branch strait into the ground. I'm sure that shoulder cannon can be as easily deflected as anything by a lightsaber, and their arm knife thingies wouldn't stand a chance. Green blood would be flying.

 

[zinfamous]

Any Jedi worth their skin could easily defeat Predator. Even with their stealth advantage, a true Jedi would feel their presence through the force and force push them off the tree branch strait into the ground. I'm sure that shoulder cannon can be as easily deflected as anything by a lightsaber, and their arm knife thingies wouldn't stand a chance. Green blood would be flying.

yeah, but Predator would just nuke the Jedi from its spaceship.

 

[AMDZen]

yeah, but Predator would just nuke the Jedi from its spaceship.

Jedi have spaceships too, and the Jedi council would "foresee" them coming. Or something.

Plus they have battle meditation.

 

[zinfamous]

Jedi have spaceships too, and the Jedi council would "foresee" them coming. Or something.

Plus they have battle meditation.

if the prequels are to be believed, then an entire batalion of Jedis can be easily murdered by an army of cloned would-be storm troopers; and the Jedi seem to have no precognition abilities to detect that treachery.

I'm pretty sure Predator wouldn't have much trouble against a Jedi.

 

[Brigandier]

if the prequels are to be believed, then an entire batalion of Jedis can be easily murdered by an army of cloned would-be storm troopers; and the Jedi seem to have no precognition abilities to detect that treachery.

I'm pretty sure Predator wouldn't have much trouble against a Jedi.

I agree, the predator would kill a Jedi, but once the Jedi knew what was going on, more would be sent.

 

[Sentrosi2121]

Predator's do not utilize the force.
Jedi's do.
Jedi Wins. Flawless Victory. Fatality.

Hell, all the Jedi has to do is wave his hand and say, "You don't want to kill me." The Predator replies back in some gutteral language, but its loosely translated respone would be, "I don't want to kill you."

 

[AMDZen]

if the prequels are to be believed, then an entire batalion of Jedis can be easily murdered by an army of cloned would-be storm troopers; and the Jedi seem to have no precognition abilities to detect that treachery.

I'm pretty sure Predator wouldn't have much trouble against a Jedi.

Because it was veiled by a more powerful force user in Palpatine.

 

[waggy]

if the prequels are to be believed, then an entire batalion of Jedis can be easily murdered by an army of cloned would-be storm troopers; and the Jedi seem to have no precognition abilities to detect that treachery.

I'm pretty sure Predator wouldn't have much trouble against a Jedi.

if you read some of the books. the cloned army during the "clone wars" were better trained, better "stock" then the storm troopers of the original movies.

 

[AMDZen]

if the prequels are to be believed, then an entire batalion of Jedis can be easily murdered by an army of cloned would-be storm troopers; and the Jedi seem to have no precognition abilities to detect that treachery.

I'm pretty sure Predator wouldn't have much trouble against a Jedi.

Also, the Jedi were spread thin during the "command 58" or whatever the hell it was, and each Jedi was by themselves. Since a single Jedi would be the general or commander of an entire battalion or army, and more than a few saw it coming. Yoda escaped and quite a few others that only the books ever talk about were around for a while, before Darth Vadar and his new apprentice went around systematically annihilating them one by one.

 

[waggy]

Also, the Jedi were spread thin during the "command 58" or whatever the hell it was, and each Jedi was by themselves. Since a single Jedi would be the general or commander of an entire battalion or army, and more than a few saw it coming. Yoda escaped and quite a few others that only the books ever talk about were around for a while, before Darth Vadar and his new apprentice went around systematically annihilating them one by one.

it was order 66. and yeah they were spread thin.

hell the books don't even have Vadar as the main one going out killing them. The 501st did a few and Vadars "hand" or something like that did.

 

[SirStev0]

One thing I noticed in the Star Wars universe that always bugged me:
The followers of Light v. Dark were never truly it seemed a battle of Good v. Evil. Their philosophies seemed to hinge on emotion v. no emotion.

Think about it. In Kotor the "sith" rise because the Jedi Order doesn't want to get involved in the Mandalorian War. The fringes of the Republic they are supposed to protect are getting spanked daily by raiding hordes and they don't give a fuck cause it ain't their problems.

A few Jedi led by Rivan say fuck that, we gotta go help. In doing so they realize the "no emotion" bullshit they are spoon fed by the Jedi order is kinda bullshit and when they fight with emotion (with rage and anger and lust for power and jealous) they tend to kick fucking ass. So a rag tag team of Jedi outsiders end up bulldozing the what amounts to be the Spartan's of their universe. They then decide, well fuck it.

Who is really the bad guy in that comparison?

The guys with unlimited power and numbers who could at any time come in and save innocent lives but don't because.. um... I don't know maybe they were busy?

or

Rivan and his crew. A small group of young eager recruits who decide to actually give a fuck and in doing so end a blood nasty feud.

I could see how they'd become disillusioned with the Jedi Bureaucrats and decide that maybe they should be the ones running the Jedi Order and fuck maybe the Republic in general.

And that is just one example. Every time I see or play or interact with Star Wars we see the Old Order as a bunch of Eunuchs who lost because they got way to into the idea that they shouldn't feel anything.
Kinda like the OP was saying, Luke became kick ass when he stopped being the pansy farm boy and started becoming the cocky adventurer who fought while tangled in emotions.

If I remember correctly he and one of his son's also eventually embrace the Dark Side or something at somepoint in the future. I picked that up on wikipedia or something somewhere.

Evil will always triumph over good because good is dumb.

This.

 

[dainthomas]

If you look at the true masters in the trilogies, or read as much of the universe as I do - you see that the true followers of the light are never using the dark side. Yoda is a great example, as is Mace Windu. His temperament is such that his personality simply is, there is really no emotion there with either.

Not entirely accurate. Windu practiced the Vaapad combat technique, which is borderline dark side itself. It involves channeling one's own inner darkness and anger. This was actually explained in more detail in the book version of Episode 3.