Star Wars Philosophy

[Brigandier]

I've always loved the philosophy of Star Wars, but how come, when the Jedi face a complication they resort to the dark side?

Chronologically it started with Obi-Wan facing the death of Qui-Gon. Both Ol' Ben and Qui Gon faced Darth Maul, and couldn't overcome. It wasn't until Darth Maul killed Qui-Gon, that Obi was able to defeat him. Obi used his emotions and feelings of revenge, that he could beat one of the best Sith sword-masters.

In Episode III, Anakin only defeated Darth Dooku, when he gave into battle lust, with his defeat well in mind, that he cut his head.

Luke, in Episode V, used his emotions to survive against Darth Vader, and just escape.

In episode VI, during his battle with Darth Vader, Luke got the edge when he abandoned himself to his emotions, to the though of having his sister corrupted, and then he won.

Is the Jedi philosophy really apt? The Jedi have long relied on the dark side taking over, and their power lies in being a good person after that; sounds like SIth to me.

 

[JediOne]

Yes the Jedi were at a disadvantage because they were limited to the older discipline of the old Jedi order. They believed that they should only use what they believed where the light sight of the force when in reality the force itself is not about light our dark side powers but how the powers were used. This is what gave Luke the power to defeat Vader and ultimately the emperor himself. Luke with his limited training drew upon all aspects of the force

 

[Newbian]

Yes the Jedi were at a disadvantage because they were limited to the older discipline of the old Jedi order. They believed that they should only use what they believed where the light sight of the force when in reality the force itself is not about light our dark side powers but how the powers were used. This is what gave Luke the power to defeat Vader and ultimately the emperor himself. Luke with his limited training drew upon all aspects of the force

Whose fake account is this that works so well here?

 

[JediOne]

No its not a fake account. I have been a lurker here for almost the last decade I just have not been very active in posting. I have been lurking since I bought my first real 3d video card the Radeon 8500 almost a decade ago.

 

[Brigandier]

No its not a fake account. I have been a lurker here for almost the last decade I just have not been very active in posting. I have been lurking since I bought my first real 3d video card the Radeon 8500 almost a decade ago.

I first got that card too

I understand the force is more than light side/dark side, the Potentium, but why couldn't Jedi be as honest as the Sith?

Every Jedi victory in the movies involves dark side actions... The jedi are never shown doing good for the sake of good.

 

[JediOne]

This is why the Jedi failed to defeat the Sith. Arrogance and complacency cost them dearly and it was not until Luke that they were able to defeat the emperor.

 

[Brigandier]

This is why the Jedi failed to defeat the Sith. Arrogance and complacency cost them dearly and it was not until Luke that they were able to defeat the emperor.

I would agree, that's why Obi-Wan and Yoda were the only survivors of the purge. Obi-Wan because he raised Anakin and Yoda because he knows way too much. I have a felling Yoda knew just what would happen if the Jedi trained Anakin, and he went with the council because it'd bring balance.

Balance to the force, before Anakin there were two Sith, and thousands of Jedi. After him, two Jedi, two Sith. I guess he did bring balance.

 

[JediOne]

I first got that card too

I understand the force is more than light side/dark side, the Potentium, but why couldn't Jedi be as honest as the Sith?

Every Jedi victory in the movies involves dark side actions... The jedi are never shown doing good for the sake of good.

I still have that card in a box somewhere. It was the first card that I put ramsinks and a new GPU heatsink on. It started me on the path to the darkside causing me to be more concerned with benchmarks and always putting me on an never ending upgrade path.

 

[Brigandier]

I still have that card in a box somewhere. It was the first card that I put ramsinks and a new GPU heatsink on. It started me on the path to the darkside causing me to be more concerned with benchmarks and always putting me on an never ending upgrade path.

Lol, I gave that card to my ma for her comp, and went on the path of useful computers that cannot run everything. Maybe the light and dark side aren't pretend!

 

[Via]

This makes me want to start up a game of KotoR.

 

[Brigandier]

This makes me want to start up a game of KotoR.

Bioware gives me $1.

 

[ctark]

I would agree, that's why Obi-Wan and Yoda were the only survivors of the purge. Obi-Wan because he raised Anakin and Yoda because he knows way too much. I have a felling Yoda knew just what would happen if the Jedi trained Anakin, and he went with the council because it'd bring balance.

Balance to the force, before Anakin there were two Sith, and thousands of Jedi. After him, two Jedi, two Sith. I guess he did bring balance.

That's not what balancing the force is. Balance to the force is where evil is ultimately defeated. The Dark side clouded the jedi's ability to use the force, which ultimately made the jedi weaker. Darth Vader brought balance to the force by killing his Sith Master and sacrificing his own life to do so. The prophecy was true, but nobody knew exactly how it would play out.

 

[Brigandier]

That's not what balancing the force is. Balance to the force is where evil is ultimately defeated. The Dark side clouded the jedi's ability to use the force, which ultimately made the jedi weaker. Darth Vader brought balance to the force by killing his Sith Master and sacrificing his own life to do so. The prophecy was true, but nobody knew exactly how it would play out.

I never got that...I always though it was crazy the jedi thought they needed balance to the force.

My balance to the force would be no jedi, and no sith just a few random force users that did what they wanted to.

I guess I'm too mathematical, I thought it was weird the jedi were seeking balance when they were thousands of strong, in that way, they made the sith more poweful.

 

[Via]

The discipline required to follow the path of light results in spiritual harmony.

 

[ctark]

I never got that...I always though it was crazy the jedi thought they needed balance to the force.

My balance to the force would be no jedi, and no sith just a few random force users that did what they wanted to.

I guess I'm too mathematical, I thought it was weird the jedi were seeking balance when they were thousands of strong, in that way, they made the sith more poweful.

What the Sith did was go from thousands of warriors like the jedi to the rule of two. They did this for 1,000 years before the movies. They took this time to plant the seeds so that one day they could once again reclaim power. They slowly but surely destabilized the republic and by the time the Jedi realized that the Sith had returned, it was too late. There was really nothing the Jedi order could have done by the time they realized that the Sith order was still alive and kicking.

 

[shortylickens]

Because if they always did the right thing there wouldnt BE ANY FUCKING MOVIES!

 

[waggy]

The discipline required to follow the path of light results in spiritual harmony.

what spiritual harmony? what side sends millions of living beings that they treat like shit to die? is it the light that says clones are lower then machines?

the Jedi would not think about sending millions to fight but cry over 1 child. fucking hypocrites if you ask me.

 

[Brigandier]

what spiritual harmony? what side sends millions of living beings that they treat like shit to die? is it the light that says clones are lower then machines?

the Jedi would not think about sending millions to fight but cry over 1 child. fucking hypocrites if you ask me.

 

[BoomerD]

Star Wars? Philosophy?

Methinks you're reading WAY too much into some silly science fiction stories...

 

[waggy]

read the Republic commando series of books. they mention this. The clones are thinking, caring people. they want a life outside of war but know they won't get it. The Jedi in charge don't care hell they don't even call them by the names they use numbers and don't care what happens.

That does not sound like someone who is "good" or on the side of the light.

 

[Dirigible]

Evil will always triumph over good because good is dumb.

 

[alkemyst]

I am thinking Brig and JediOne are the same people and one of them got a new ISP on a secondary device.

I don't 'talk to myself' with them, but I have joined many forums on my expendable account.

 

[Brigandier]

I am thinking Brig and JediOne are the same people and one of them got a new ISP on a secondary device.

I don't 'talk to myself' with them, but I have joined many forums on my expendable account.

Yeah, a year after I made this account I started a new one, just for the eventual pleasure of talking to myself two years later.

Golly, I thought it'd work! If only if it weren't for alkemyst!

 

[brad310]

Star Wars? Philosophy?

Methinks you're reading WAY too much into some silly science fiction stories...

A chosen one to save all. Suffers greatly to do so. Cries out to his father.

Dead communicate with the living.

Few vs many.

Poor vs rich.

Racism. Class warfare. Slavery.

Reminds me of the bible except star wars promotes technology, and the sky daddies are actually pretty decent people. Instead of a creator god, there is just the force.

 

[alkemyst]

Yeah, a year after I made this account I started a new one, just for the eventual pleasure of talking to myself two years later.

Golly, I thought it'd work! If only if it weren't for alkemyst!

That is the way most duplicate accounts work y0.

Many don't have just 1 extra though.

When working for a webshop, we had to shut down tons of duplicates where we were also paid to manage sites.