starting a MMORPG

[hooflung]

Originally posted by: Seeruk
Eve Online - 14 day free trial and the best MMORPG there ever was/is

indeed...

WoW 'IS' fun but nothing wow does is more refined, sophisticated, and more balanced than EVE. Many people play WoW for the economy, EVE's is superior. Many people play WoW for the loot, EVE's could crush them in terms of. People play WoW for PvP, EVE is 99% PvP. People play WoW for large guilds, EVE has alliances which is a guild of guilds that can fight at a guild of guilds level.

Not saying WoW isn't fun, far from it. Its just it is nothing more to me than a 'I feel like LotR style game today.'

 

[PatboyX]

city of heroes/villians was pretty fun for a while. simple, quick gameplay. not as complicated and hardcore as some of the other MMORPGs...fun theme, everything is pretty happy about the game. people are generous and i never ran into problems with people orchestrating hours upon hours of battle.

 

[Fingolfin269]

I'll admit that I really enjoyed AO. The problem is that my memory of that time is mostly based on what happened to all of us at launch. It was not pretty.

The game is supposedly awesome now and maybe one of these days I'll dump WoW and pick it back up. There's just something cool about being a combat medic who will heal his buddies and kick your a$$.

 

[Maetryx]

While there is some truth to a queue forming to get into a server, I have never experienced anything NEAR 30 minutes of wait time. If there is a queue (typically around 6:30PM PST, for example) it usually lasts about 5 minutes, in spite of the first estimates of wait time calculated and displayed (it may say 22 minutes, but that number drops fast and in reality I'm playing in about 5 minutes).

I think one time I waited 10 minutes.

Also, the notion that only PVP matters in World of Warcraft is completely false. I have been involved in PVP like one time on a whim. But I have little interest in it. I haven't run out of things to do, nor does it seem likely that I will run out of things to do for a long time. For reference, I probably play WoW about 3 hours a day on average.

Since I knew I wouldn't care for PVP, I selected a normal server to play on (there are PVP servers). Again, most of the criticism for WoW seems to be coming from people that overplayed it and raced to level 60. If you plan on playing like that, then maybe you should listen. If you're an adult, you'll probably find WoW one of the best games you have ever played.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Maetryx
While there is some truth to a queue forming to get into a server, I have never experienced anything NEAR 30 minutes of wait time. If there is a queue (typically around 6:30PM PST, for example) it usually lasts about 5 minutes, in spite of the first estimates of wait time calculated and displayed (it may say 22 minutes, but that number drops fast and in reality I'm playing in about 5 minutes).

I think one time I waited 10 minutes.

Also, the notion that only PVP matters in World of Warcraft is completely false. I have been involved in PVP like one time on a whim. But I have little interest in it. I haven't run out of things to do, nor does it seem likely that I will run out of things to do for a long time. For reference, I probably play WoW about 3 hours a day on average.

Since I knew I wouldn't care for PVP, I selected a normal server to play on (there are PVP servers). Again, most of the criticism for WoW seems to be coming from people that overplayed it and raced to level 60. If you plan on playing like that, then maybe you should listen. If you're an adult, you'll probably find WoW one of the best games you have ever played.

I agree with you 100%, and not simply because you have me quoted in your sig.

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: Maetryx
While there is some truth to a queue forming to get into a server, I have never experienced anything NEAR 30 minutes of wait time. If there is a queue (typically around 6:30PM PST, for example) it usually lasts about 5 minutes, in spite of the first estimates of wait time calculated and displayed (it may say 22 minutes, but that number drops fast and in reality I'm playing in about 5 minutes).

I think one time I waited 10 minutes.

I just wanted to note that if you tried to play on some of the newer/more popular servers in the week after Christmas (and to some extent the week after that), there WERE many times that queues got over 30-40 minutes. Other than that week, I have not had to wait more than 10-15 minutes, and even that was at peak times. Blizzard also launched three new servers in early January, and times seem much more reasonable now that the kiddies are back in school and the people who got it for Christmas aren't playing 24/7.

I agree that it's easy to 'burn out' on the game if you play it nonstop (and yes, if you got to L60 in two months, you played it nonstop), but it really is a lot of fun, and MUCH easier to play for a few hours at a time than City Of Heroes (which was the last MMORPG I played before WoW). About the only thing I miss from CoH is their grouping system (and the awesomely flexible and cool character designer).

To be fair, I've seen a complaints on the WoW forums about the lack of things for L60 characters to do (other than big group raids and PVP battles, there's not much), but the last patch added some new high-level content, and the expansion pack (which should be out later this year) will raise the level cap and add a bunch more new stuff.

Someone was complaining earlier in the thread that the game is 'pvp-centric' and the pvp loot is 'better than what you get from raids' -- the VERY BEST PVP loot (which is *not* easy or quick to get) is, indeed, as good or better than almost anything else in the game. However, getting it requires a serious time commitment, and I think that doing it that way makes it more fair than forcing people to do 40-man raids to get top-notch gear if they would rather focus on PVP.

I also agree on the PVP comments. I'm on a non-PVP server (you can still do PVP, but you can't be attacked unless you turn on PVP mode or attack an enemy character, or enter a battleground), and I think that was a wise move. There is plenty of PvE content to do.

OP, definitely check out WoW. They have a free two-week trial, so you have little to lose (except a lot of free time ). You can get a free trial key from Fileplanet (and if you can't, PM me and I'll send you one).

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: hooflung
WoW 'IS' fun but nothing wow does is more refined, sophisticated, and more balanced than EVE. Many people play WoW for the economy, EVE's is superior. Many people play WoW for the loot, EVE's could crush them in terms of. People play WoW for PvP, EVE is 99% PvP. People play WoW for large guilds, EVE has alliances which is a guild of guilds that can fight at a guild of guilds level.

Not saying WoW isn't fun, far from it. Its just it is nothing more to me than a 'I feel like LotR style game today.'

Eve has very little player variety. Eve doesn't have any quests that are interesting at all. Eve lacks massive PVE content. Eve has nothing similar to MC/BWL/Ahn Qiraj. Eve has PvP but still lacks the kind of visceral experience you can get from Battleground -- Eve's PvP is much more point, click and watch. Eve's environments never change outside of a background update. While Eve could boast more items, they do very little graphically for your ship and most items are trivial .5+/-% increases.

I figured if you were going to sit back and point differences, you might as well be thorough.

 

[tw1164]

I play COH/COV. I like the option of being able to play for a short amount of time, but still feel like I completed something in the game. I dislike the depth of the game, they need to add some non-combat content.

I tried the DDO beta, and I didn't like the combat system at all.

 

[TGS]

Even on a pvp server, unless you seek it out you can manage to avoid pvp with opposing factions. One of my alts is a 36 warrior, who prior to going to the battlegrounds had a mere 13 pvp kills. Which is to say, pratically nothing. Now if you stick around an area like nesingwarys in stranglethorn, you are asking for trouble. Though beyond few and far between gankers, even on a pvp server there isn't much. The nature of the WoW pvp system, almost makes world pvp pointless, as there are no benefits to the victor and no penalty for the loser(other than the time to get back to your body). In all actuality I prefer to get PK'd over, getting killed by a mob as I don't have to pay repair costs.

On my server(spinebreaker) this last Christmas was the only time I had a queue. I think it was around 5-10 minutes. My server is marked as full, but months ago it used to be a low population pvp server. Beyond the 1.9 patch causing stuttering issues now, I really haven't noticed my "lag" related issues.

 

[Tremulant]

@TGS: The stuttering coupled with my lag around 6-10pm est(peak times for my inet) is killing me. I tried to participate in some Hillsbrad PVP last night and I'd be behind someone, pull off my CS, and then once they got out of it, they'd be out of range and stuttering about 30 feet infront of me, effectively out of range. I tried to pop sprint.. and it didn't go off until a good 15 seconds later. Plus, I'd end up stuck in combat for extra periods of time.

But.. it's just lag on my end. During that time of day everyone is online and having cable it makes my connection suck. It's not only WoW either, it happens when browsing and sometimes I get randomly disconnected from AIM. It happens to my brother too.

I'm going to check to see if I can get the fast DSL in my area.. (while I wait for my autocad rep to call me back so I can setup this network license pool..)

 

[TGS]

It's on the known issues page, under Technical Support. Prior to seeing that post, I actually upgraded my service to a 6MB connection. So I really doubt that it's my connection. I've tested on the other servers, and with a fresh mage fireball spells are completed in 3 seconds, from button push to the spell leaving the mages hands. The in-game latency meter is showing 90-150ms. The patch has added something, or they have done some behind the scenes network related work that is messing with player server synchs. I never have seen *any* npcs stuttering. Only players stutter, and spells seem to have a 1-1.5 second delay.

edit:
They released a midnight patch (1.9.2), to fix the "skipping" issue.

 

[Wuzup101]

I'd say that WoW is a safe bet for your first MMORPG. I have leveled a character on a high pop server to 60 and have several other toons of other classes that I've played into the 20s - 30s. It definitely is a fun game, but I will be canceling my subscription within the week. I don't have time to play it with school and all, and once you get to 60, you have to be pretty serious to get into end game raiding guilds. No offence to anyone here, but during the school year I don't have time to be playing 6hrs a night on whatever schedule they determine. I've met many great people while playing, and I would highly recomend that you try it out. I probably will reactivate my account this comming summer and buy the expansion.

 

[hooflung]

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: hooflung
WoW 'IS' fun but nothing wow does is more refined, sophisticated, and more balanced than EVE. Many people play WoW for the economy, EVE's is superior. Many people play WoW for the loot, EVE's could crush them in terms of. People play WoW for PvP, EVE is 99% PvP. People play WoW for large guilds, EVE has alliances which is a guild of guilds that can fight at a guild of guilds level.

Not saying WoW isn't fun, far from it. Its just it is nothing more to me than a 'I feel like LotR style game today.'

Eve has very little player variety. Eve doesn't have any quests that are interesting at all. Eve lacks massive PVE content. Eve has nothing similar to MC/BWL/Ahn Qiraj. Eve has PvP but still lacks the kind of visceral experience you can get from Battleground -- Eve's PvP is much more point, click and watch. Eve's environments never change outside of a background update. While Eve could boast more items, they do very little graphically for your ship and most items are trivial .5+/-% increases.

I figured if you were going to sit back and point differences, you might as well be thorough.

LOL wow such an inept ability to even begin to comprehend EVE. First of EVE is a PVP game. There are no quests in this game. There is no XP in this game. PvP is all about imagination, strategy, logistics, and variety. You make the PvP the game doesn't make it for you, like WoW or CoH/CoV. It is a wild west and you are expected to carve your own way. Its a simple as that. EVE is space... its scenery change enough for the genre. WoW could be said to need more scenery because of its genre. I have played BG and to be honest it is 3rd person UT2004 in leather and plate armor with melee and majic. EVE has no comparison for PvP. It is what you make it.

As for large instances... there are complexes to do. NPC that is. I would challenge you to do a 10/10 complex solo ( impossible without a fleet )... then get back to me about MC and the like. Simply false accusations... have you ever DONE a NPC complex? And for the loot, trash items are a cornerstone to any MMO. There are plenty of items to bring uberness to your type of ship. Their is tech 2 gear which is only player made. Then there is quasi tech 2 NPC drops ( officer loot ) which is better, more rare, and hell more expensive. Not to mention the variety you can use modules. There is no helm slot or glove slot.... so you are not limited in the ways you can kit your ship that WoW limits you. Not to mention the fact that in WoW if you are an undead shadowcraft kit rogue you will look nearly identicle as EVERYOTHER shadowcraft undead rogue. Sorry but your argument is very slim.

WoW is fun and even the closest thing EVE has in terms of gameplay... but in EVERY way that matters EVE is more complex. If you don't want build your own chain of attacks WoW is as point and click as EVE so please spare me. EVE is the same way... if you want auto hits then you can let the game do the work... but that is not what makes a good pilot. Seriously man... how much did you play? Give it up. If you didn't like it, or grew bored of it then leave it at that but trying to make silly claims against the game to someone who plays both and enjoys both and understands both is simply stupid.