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Lifer
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While I am not against the idea we need to remember market forces, if suddenly everyone is able to pay $500 per month more for rent, rents will increase $500 per month. This will just increase to flow of money to the top. We need more housing, we need to evaluate small portions of things like wet lands and determine if preserving them makes more sense than improving the drainage in the area and assessing a permanent extra tax on the property to upkeep that improved drainage. We need to decide how much land is appropriate for a small house to be on, we need to encourage builder to build lower cost housing (maybe sale is tax free if it’s sold under market value. Plenty of small things we can do.
Problem is current land owners will see their values drop. Maybe tax relief for those that go underwater.
Point is these problems can be solved provided we are all tolerant to some pain.
I mean, UBI isn't a housing stipend. Market forces will play into it sure, but some people will spend that on debt, food, luxuries, etc, not necessarily housing. Renters can try charging another $500/mo immediately but they'll be disappointed.
 

APU_Fusion

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The wining about personal anecdotes regarding inflation and ignoring all context of worldwide inflation and how the US policies under Biden put the US far ahead is so sad. Look beyond your own snicker bar price and understand how it could be much worse. GDP, stock market, gas prices, unemployment rate are phenomenal. No economy is perfect by its very nature but good god at least educate yourselves about macro-economics and look outside your own bubble. No US President can control worldwide inflation but Biden has mitigated it effectively here in United States.
 
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Indus

Lifer
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If after 4 years the Trump people haven't learned not to set the bar low for Biden I doubt they're going to learn the lesson this year either.

Human trash will say trashy things about humans..

Some people are just scum of the earth and will never get it!
 
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cytg111

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The wining about personal anecdotes regarding inflation and ignoring all context of worldwide inflation and how the US policies under Biden put the US far ahead is so sad. Look beyond your own snicker bar price and understand how it could be much worse. GDP, stock market, gas prices, unemployment rate are phenomenal. No economy is perfect by its very nature but good god at least educate yourselves about macro-economics and look outside your own bubble. No US President can control worldwide inflation but Biden has mitigated it effectively here in United States.
Stone Age, he who controlled fire was king.
Sucks to be The King when it rains.
 
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I mean, UBI isn't a housing stipend. Market forces will play into it sure, but some people will spend that on debt, food, luxuries, etc, not necessarily housing. Renters can try charging another $500/mo immediately but they'll be disappointed.
Depends on the location and demand.
 
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fskimospy

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Depends on the location and demand.
The point of UBI is not to introduce a lot of new currency to the economy, it's to replace the current safety net and through taxation should be kept net budget neutral.

Of course the only actual way to fix the housing crisis is to build shitloads of housing and I agree subsidizing the demand portion for housing is pointless, but if done right UBI doesn't do that.
 

dank69

Lifer
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You gotta get young male voters----it can't be a gender gap...

Young men are so lost---and they're running to Cooney and Rogan---and Biden needs to address that tonight.
Do young men think young women are not also lost? Sounds a little narcissistic.

UBI. Yeah yeah, political suicide, but fuck it. UBI. $200/mo, $500/mo, I don't care. Get that shit rolling now before it's too late.
Might be a little difficult to get UBI through a GOP controlled House.

To me the sum total of human prosperity is the point. If ‘trickle down’ economics actually worked by providing superior outcomes for everyone I would support it. The problem is it doesn’t.

That doesn’t change the fact that the material living conditions for the average American today are vastly better than in the 70s. It’s just a fact.
Why are we discussing averages instead of median household income? 2023 was the first year the median increased since 2019 and we still are not back to pre-pandemic levels.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
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Looks like we got the Dark Brandon I was hoping for. Great speech Joe, one of your best I'd say in fact. I only have minor quibbles, and some of it wasn't your fault. He dropped facts on people and all Team Treason did was try to blame him for greedflation and their own obstruction of legislation. Just pathetic. Not surprised by the heckling, the repugs are classless pieces of shit let's remember. People need to start tossing cubes of sugar at MTG when she does that, someone should probably halter her too, get a bit in there.

GQP response was hilarious actually, I give it 3/5 Lady Gs.

I swear, I will never get tired of repugs, who tell their own voters to get fucked over overwhelmingly supported Medicaid or abortion rights initiatives, try to say it's Joe Biden who is out of touch with Americans. That's the kind of laughter I need periodically.

November is going to be brutal.
I was also helpful to have the Johnson barometer sitting behind him. No self control.
 

SteveGrabowski

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I know, I was talking about Rogan.
Rogan wasn't pushing anything about COVID then. He was shocked at the shit Osterholm was telling him. Though Osterholm underestimated how bad it would be, guessing it would only kill maybe 500,000 Americans. Probably didn't factor in all the antivax and antimask conspiracy theorists and how bad Trump would botch the pandemic reaction.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
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Like a car you want? Or like an acceptable car if you needed one? Around here you can get a Honda Civic for $4k with ~150k miles on it which, for those, typically means another 50-100k of miles on them.



I get it. Inflation in a lot of areas people aren't used to can hit hard. But inflation really has slowed way the fuck down. And it peaked lower and came down faster than a huge chunk of the rest of the world. So, if we're attributing inflation as something the president can control, then Biden did better than most of the industrialized world (ex China)

(As an aside egg prices were high and are spiking again not because of inflation but because of bird flu outbreaks)

You're also in a challenging environment for raises. Universities are notoriously stingy on raises for non-shiny and fancy faculty/staff positions. Granted my experience is predominantly on the IT org side at large Universities but what I've seen is, over and over again, there are have and have not institutions and have and have not units inside institutions (Or even teams within central IT). If you're in a Have environment you could likely see a higher raise. If you're in a Have Not? 3% is generous. I've seen 1% and 2% at R1 schools with huge endowments performing well because: 1) Its not an area that commands attention for whatever reason and/or 2) strong and strict rules around funding such that endowment can only make up a small portion of staff funding that local units need to supplement for larger raises with local funds or higher charge back rates (which cause the 'poor' units balk loudly) if they're so inclined. This has been common collectively since well before COVID although I realize it might be a more recent thing for you where you are at your institution. The flip side is that Universities really don't lay people off in bad economic or pandemic times. Job stability at Universities was exceptional during COVID compared to a lot of other industries. Size of raises tend to be part of the tradeoff.

And I don't see this as something the Federal government is going to change for Universities. If anything I think it will get a lot harder for the Have Not Higher Ed areas due to economic and demographic pressures. If you're only getting 3% raises and want more you will almost certainly need to look elsewhere or get a title/responsibility change.


I have some suspicion that there are a lot of grocery store changes people can make but choose not to. Maybe its part of my background growing up but I don't understand the attachment I've seen for fancy cuts of meat and brand names at the expense of your weekly/monthly budget. Don't get me wrong I know people struggle making ends meet with even basic food stuffs (and I was one of them for a time) but that trend of posting a picture of your grocery cart or bill sure has changed into carefully staged images and cut video to portray a desired narrative as opposed to giving people the information necessary to evaluate the situation. Mostly because they went fancy cut of red meat, precut and prepackaged non-seasonal fruit and veggies, expensive brand names etc and got called out for it.

And its not like the Democrats can really pass anything meaningful right now anyway
Let me bitch about Costco. They seem to think all of the clientele are elites that can't stand to go without the prime loin steaks no matter how much they cost. I literally gave up buying any beef there since the pandemic. It seems they will pay any price to keep their shelves well stocked. No holding back and making their suppliers sweat. Hell, they don't even carry a 6 pack of Bush's bake beans anymore.
 

Indus

Lifer
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Let me bitch about Costco. They seem to think all of the clientele are elites that can't stand to go without the prime loin steaks no matter how much they cost. I literally gave up buying any beef there since the pandemic. It seems they will pay any price to keep their shelves well stocked. No holding back and making their suppliers sweat. Hell, they don't even carry a 6 pack of Bush's bake beans anymore.

My neighbor swears by costco but I've noticed when you compare most stuff.. it's like $10 more on average than Walmart.

And Walmart isn't always the cheapest either. Stop & Shop has some nice bargains if you use the coupons. Keyfood/ Food Universe too if you browse circulars.

I honestly can't understand why people would pay the yearly shopping fee with Costco when it isn't that cheap anymore!

Am I missing something?
 

SteveGrabowski

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My neighbor swears by costco but I've noticed when you compare most stuff.. it's like $10 more on average than Walmart.

And Walmart isn't always the cheapest either. Stop & Shop has some nice bargains if you use the coupons. Keyfood/ Food Universe too if you browse circulars.

I honestly can't understand why people would pay the yearly shopping fee with Costco when it isn't that cheap anymore!

Am I missing something?
I use them a lot for gas since they're cheaper than the ice houses around me. Also in the summer I practically live off their food court loss leaders like $1.50 hot dogs and $2 slices of pizza when it's too hot to cook in my house. If it's 107 last thing I want to do in turn on my oven when my ACs are having trouble even bringing the indoor temp to 80. Getting a meal for less than $4 at Costco vs spending over $11 at Whataburger adds up pretty quickly.
 
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Muse

Lifer
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When were you a kid?

I grew up in the 70s. We had Frootloops (introduced 1963), Lucky Charms (1964), Frankenberry, Count Chocula (monster cereals came out in 1971), Co-co puffs (1956) Frosted Flakes (1952) Sugar Pops (1951) and Super Sugar Crisp (1967). All loaded with sugar. SO much so the milk you drank at the end was concentrated sugar milk.

Those were our daily cereals in the house at any given time. My fav was Frootloops.
Grew up in the 50's. So maybe some of that stuff was around but I didn't know about it. We got Frosted Flakes at some point, then Sugar Pops, but before that nothing sugared. Sugared breakfast cereals took off AFTER the 50s is my sense of it. When did sugared breakfast cereals become ubiquitous?

As you can see, early cereals were developed and consumed as health food. That all changed in 1939 when the first sweetened cereal, Ranger Joe Popped Wheat Honnies, debuted on grocery store shelves. From that point forward, sweetened cereals grew in popularity, eventually becoming the norm.Nov 29, 2012

Breakfast cereals primarily marketed to children, such as Froot Loops, are commonly brightly colored and high in sugar. After World War II, the big breakfast cereal companies—now including General Mills, who entered the market in 1924 with Wheaties—increasingly started to target children.

I guess our household resisted the sugary ones for a while, then gave in some.
 

Amused

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The GQP flailing is pathetic this morning. They're throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
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My neighbor swears by costco but I've noticed when you compare most stuff.. it's like $10 more on average than Walmart.

And Walmart isn't always the cheapest either. Stop & Shop has some nice bargains if you use the coupons. Keyfood/ Food Universe too if you browse circulars.

I honestly can't understand why people would pay the yearly shopping fee with Costco when it isn't that cheap anymore!

Am I missing something?
Stop and Shop. One of these days I've got to go back to the Groton area and see how much it's changed. I left right before the casinos hit the area.
 

Amused

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Grew up in the 50's. So maybe some of that stuff was around but I didn't know about it. We got Frosted Flakes at some point, then Sugar Pops, but before that nothing sugared. Sugared breakfast cereals took off AFTER the 50s is my sense of it. When did sugared breakfast cereals become ubiquitous?

As you can see, early cereals were developed and consumed as health food. That all changed in 1939 when the first sweetened cereal, Ranger Joe Popped Wheat Honnies, debuted on grocery store shelves. From that point forward, sweetened cereals grew in popularity, eventually becoming the norm.Nov 29, 2012

Breakfast cereals primarily marketed to children, such as Froot Loops, are commonly brightly colored and high in sugar. After World War II, the big breakfast cereal companies—now including General Mills, who entered the market in 1924 with Wheaties—increasingly started to target children.

I guess our household resisted the sugary ones for a while, then gave in some.

The irony is, we had 2-3 bowls of this a morning and were thin as rails. But then, we were outside riding bikes and playing in the 118 freeway construction zone all day.
 

Indus

Lifer
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Stop and Shop. One of these days I've got to go back to the Groton area and see how much it's changed. I left right before the casinos hit the area.

If you have a sweet tooth like my dad has.. Stop & Shop has ice cream tubs usually at $6 for 2 with coupons so $3 each compared to highway robbery at other places.

Some other gems too!
 
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dank69

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You start at Aldi and get whatever you can there. Then you move on to Walmart and Stop & Shop for anything you can't get at Aldi. If you have Sam's Club you go there before BJs or Costco. Costco is only good if you have food allergies or affluenza (well except for their food court). Same with Trader Joes or Whole Foods.
 
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hal2kilo

Lifer
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If you have a sweet tooth like my dad has.. Stop & Shop has ice cream tubs usually at $6 for 2 with coupons so $3 each compared to highway robbery at other places.

Some other gems too!
Well, ice cream is king in the northeast, especially New England area. Never heard of a dairy bar before I lived there. Also doughnut shops. They are few and far between here in the northwest. Must be why it's one of the healthier parts of the country.
 
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