Well it was pretty much a campaign speech, and a good one at that.Yeppers and I am standing back, staying ready.
It is very clear that you are incredibly detached from the actual conditions of low wage earners, when you expect them to be happy about the extremely good news that their wage increases over the last few years outpaced inflation and want them to believe that the economy is doing great, because you used math to show how they're better off than low wages earners 70 years ago.Is this basic misunderstanding of very clear posts purposeful now or are you trying out your open mic night material?
I think it is good news that by a couple of metrics we seem to be moving in the right direction for the first time in a long time. I just think your data doesn't capture the difference between COL and QOL. QOL is obviously way up. The problem is that the cost of basic needs is far outpacing inflation.I don’t know what else to say. I think the data clearly shows significant improvement for the average American over this time period and it’s not even close. I guess some people don’t like good news.
They are too busy not understanding your distinctions and context of your statements so they can pat themselves on the back. They don’t seem to know the difference between better and great.Is this basic misunderstanding of very clear posts purposeful now or are you trying out your open mic night material?
Can you quote the post I made that indicates to you that poor people should be happy?It is very clear that you are incredibly detached from the actual conditions of low wage earners, when you expect them to be happy about the extremely good news that their wage increases over the last few years outpaced inflation and want them to believe that the economy is doing great, because you used math to show how they're better off than low wages earners 70 years ago.
So I guess what I'm saying is: which one of us is misunderstanding things?
Hence, why he said they were doing better not doing great. He didn’t mention they should be happy either? He is making statement based on real income they are doing better than the 50s. That does not mean they are happy. The wage stagnation from the 70s versus inflation adjusted wages happened why? I wonder what happened since that y time with tax policy and wealth distribution. HmmmmmIt is very clear that you are incredibly detached from the actual conditions of low wage earners, when you expect them to be happy about the extremely good news that their wage increases over the last few years outpaced inflation and want them to believe that the economy is doing great, because you used math to show how they're better off than low wages earners 70 years ago.
So I guess what I'm saying is: which one of us is misunderstanding things?
Yeppers and after seven years of listening to the feckless bullshit from the right I am ecstatic.Well it was pretty much a campaign speech, and a good one at that.
Yeah I really don’t see what is so complicated here. Things are better now than they used to be and we should recognize that. It doesn’t mean that things are great for the poor now though and more work remains to be done.They are too busy not understanding your distinctions and context of your statements so they can pat themselves on the back. They don’t seem to know the difference between better and great.
I'm not saying it was, I'm saying it's easy for people to forget what 2020 was like, and easy to remember the transition over the last few years where things have objectively gotten much more expensive. It's easy to convince people of near-truths, especially when it relies on emotions.Really? You seem to forget 4 years ago there were fistfights over toilet paper. Store shelves were damned near barren.
So it’s worse today than 2020 during and immediate the lockdown by Trump?
Maybe you meant it’s easier to obtain horse wormer.
Republicans #2016 "Fuck your feelings"Yup and yesterdays speech was a campaign rally and he was divisive and only addressed his base. But hardly surprised from the party of hypocrisy.
I was thinking the exact same thing earlier. Running on a platform of 'shit's hard, here's what we're trying to do to make it better' has a lot more throw to it than 'everything's great, better than it's ever been, stop complaining, vote democrat'.I have totally agreed with you this entire thread on that. I think the Dems should highlight progress but acknowledge all the difficulties quite honestly. I think the elitist Dems that want to say this is the best economy ever all workers are in the best shape ever and Joe Biden was by far the best and favorite candidate of the Dem party so duh, vote for him - well I think they are morons that have no idea how to win an election.
lol the answer is very obviously you.It is very clear that you are incredibly detached from the actual conditions of low wage earners, when you expect them to be happy about the extremely good news that their wage increases over the last few years outpaced inflation and want them to believe that the economy is doing great, because you used math to show how they're better off than low wages earners 70 years ago.
So I guess what I'm saying is: which one of us is misunderstanding things?
also, if you aren't decided to vote Biden yet, you are not safe to walk among us. or things like, Biden was by far the Dems first choice and the Dems have nobody better so suck it up buttercup! Like can't even acknowledge actual reality or weaknesses. Imagine not being able to say, well, the Dem party can do better, and we'll try to address that, but this is who we have and this is why you need to vote for him in November.I was thinking the exact same thing earlier. Running on a platform of 'shit's hard, here's what we're trying to do to make it better' has a lot more throw to it than 'everything's great, better than it's ever been, stop complaining, vote democrat'.
What I'm saying is: they've seen fuck-all difference. They were struggling to make rent in 2019, they're struggling to make rent now.Hence, why he said they were doing better not doing great. He didn’t mention they should be happy either? He is making statement based on real income they are doing better than the 50s. That does not mean they are happy. The wage stagnation from the 70s versus inflation adjusted wages happened why? I wonder what happened since that y time with tax policy and wealth distribution. Hmmmmm
2) This is the problem I was referring to earlier. Liberals and leftists should be happy to see that marginalized workers have made very real wage gains that outpace the rate of inflation, improving the quality of their lives. Instead you want to say everything is terrible anyway.
Regardless, as mentioned before real incomes, which take into account shelter inflation, are much higher now than they were in the 1950's. I don't know why people are fighting so hard against this extremely good news.
I endorse that.Running on a platform of 'shit's hard, here's what we're trying to do to make it better'
So neither of the posts you quoted say what you claimed. Try again? Also you could just admit you are wrong.What I'm saying is: they've seen fuck-all difference. They were struggling to make rent in 2019, they're struggling to make rent now.
Oh shit, here we go again, lol.also, if you aren't decided to vote Biden yet, you are not safe to walk among us. ...
If you refer to the graph earlier in this thread, productivity increases were in lockstep with wage increase…until 1981. Then union busting exploded (thx Reagan) and wages flatlined.I am not disagreeing. Though I still say the wage adjusted income stagnation for most American workers since the 70s with a large transference of wealth to a small percentage of people is the real issue.
Who said don't take a win. You are just making shit up.Things are better than in the past, objectively. Could things be even better so that fewer feel like they have to struggle? Absolutely.
But also, some groups need to learn to take a win when one comes along.
As long as you stand by your words which were quite clear, and made numerous times, I am assuming you still stand by them.Oh shit, here we go again, lol.
I mean, unless you think liberals and leftists doesn't include those marginalized workers:Can you quote the post I made that indicates to you that poor people should be happy?
1) In 1950 that's about the percentage the average household spent on food, and they almost never ate out.
2) This is the problem I was referring to earlier. Liberals and leftists should be happy to see that marginalized workers have made very real wage gains that outpace the rate of inflation, improving the quality of their lives. Instead you want to say everything is terrible anyway.
I'm not doing this with you again. You know my views. Everybody who has ever visited this forum this month knows yours whether they want to or not. Move on with your life.As long as you stand by your words which were quite clear, and made numerous times, I am assuming you still stand by them.
Do you think your view on undecided or disillusioned or uninspired voters now is really really dumb or do you still stand by them?