STEALING FROM WRITERS

[JacobJ]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I copy the byline and everything, so credit is given.

Credit != freedom to copy willy nilly wherever you please. Copyright means the copyright owner has the exclusive permission to distribute his/her work. You can distribute portions of someone elses work as long as it falls under fair use. Copying the entire article is stealing no matter whether credit is given or not.

 

[PKing1977]

The articles quoted are giving the proper credit by linking the source. No law is broken. Nothing is stolen. If you don?t want your article to be discussed or seen.. Don?t post it on the web for everyone to see..


PKing

 

[Genx87]

Leave, but can I have your stuff?

 

[JacobJ]

Originally posted by: PKing1977
The articles quoted are giving the proper credit by linking the source. No law is broken. Nothing is stolen. If you don?t want your article to be discussed or seen.. Don?t post it on the web for everyone to see..


PKing

Credit != freedom to copy willy nilly wherever you please. Copyright means the copyright owner has the exclusive permission to distribute his/her work. You can distribute portions of someone elses work as long as it falls under fair use. Copying the entire article is stealing no matter whether credit is given or not.

 

[PKing1977]

This form is an open conversation. It is not a place where people are publishing anything. Political speech is a protected right. Thus, the very format of this board is a discussion. I can read to anyone I want all of war and peace if I pleased without breaking any copyright law.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: JacobJ
I'm sick of everyone stealing content.

It is STEALING to copy and paste an entire news article into your post.

YOU DON'T OWN THE COPYRIGHT!

As a moderated forum, I hope anandtech will no longer put up with this.

You gotta be a Democrat!

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: JacobJ

Originally posted by: PKing1977
The articles quoted are giving the proper credit by linking the source. No law is broken. Nothing is stolen. If you don?t want your article to be discussed or seen.. Don?t post it on the web for everyone to see..


PKing

Credit != freedom to copy willy nilly wherever you please. Copyright means the copyright owner has the exclusive permission to distribute his/her work. You can distribute portions of someone elses work as long as it falls under fair use. Copying the entire article is stealing no matter whether credit is given or not.

cya wouldn't wanna be ya

 

[3chordcharlie]

Whether posting the entire article is a copyright infringement under fair use laws is definitely touch and go.

But if someone were to go ahead and sue, I'd like to see them show 'real damages'.

 

[JacobJ]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Whether posting the entire article is a copyright infringement under fair use laws is definitely touch and go.

But if someone were to go ahead and sue, I'd like to see them show 'real damages'.

This certainly isn't a 'touch and go' issue. Do you disagree with Stanford University in it's position outlined here. Explain how it is wrong. What is your reasoning according to the law itself?

It is not fair use to post an entire chapter out of a novel, nor to post an entire movie, nor to post an entire news article. You need permission to do those things. You can certainly post reasonably sized excerpts, but it is stealing to post the entire thing without your permission.

 

[JacobJ]

Originally posted by: PKing1977
This form is an open conversation. It is not a place where people are publishing anything. Political speech is a protected right. Thus, the very format of this board is a discussion. I can read to anyone I want all of war and peace if I pleased without breaking any copyright law.

Your entire premise is flawed. Firstly, this is a both a discussion and a website. When you upload your post your are publishing it to a website. Heck, you could call the subtle references between different movies a conversation. That doesn't mean you can put someone elses entire unedited movie within your movie.

Posting an entire article is definately not fair use. And whether or not it is fair use, you agreed to not post ANY copyrighted material when you signed up for this forum unless you have specific permission. But I'm guessing you didn't read the terms of service or don't remember them.

 

[ntdz]

This whole thread is ridiculous. There is nothing wrong with posting a link to an article and quoting it in the post. The people posting it aren't making any money from posting it, and anandtech isn't making money from them being posted, either. Is it illegal when Anadtech puts news stories links on it's main page? Check Anandtech's right bar with the latest news. It's the same thing as posting the article in the forum. Give me a break, this is ludicrious.

 

[JacobJ]

Originally posted by: ntdz
This whole thread is ridiculous. There is nothing wrong with posting a link to an article and quoting it in the post. The people posting it aren't making any money from posting it, and anandtech isn't making money from them being posted, either. Is it illegal when Anadtech puts news stories links on it's main page? Check Anandtech's right bar with the latest news. It's the same thing as posting the article in the forum. Give me a break, this is ludicrious.

Well...if you disagree with the law then maybe you should call the law ridiculous???

Maybe it is ridiculous. But you haven't proven that its legal to post an entire article. It is not.

 

[glenn1]

Methinks JacobJ had a run-in with the Thought Police of the RIAA. The longhoped-for bullet was entering his brain, and he loved Big Brother.

"Posting an entire article double-plus ungood."

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: JacobJ

Originally posted by: BBond
I believe that in a political forum where people knowingly come to discuss "POLITICS AND NEWS" that this would apply:

(In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes.)

TRUE OR FALSE:

Anandtech is a non-profit organization.

I can appreciate your sincerity here. But you've got a big job in front of you. The Interenet doesn't stop outside this Site....

 

[2Xtreme21]

I hope he didn't copy / paste anything from the Stanford article that he linked... else he'd be guilty of the very crime he's arguing about.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: JacobJ
I'm sick of everyone stealing content.

It is STEALING to copy and paste an entire news article into your post.

YOU DON'T OWN THE COPYRIGHT!

As a moderated forum, I hope anandtech will no longer put up with this.

Assuming the content quoted is free on the web, there's no practical difference between providing a link to content and actually pasting the content into a message. As long as the origin of the source material is provided, I can't see why anyone would object, certainly not the author. About the only negative associated with this practice is that ads placed on the same page as the original material may not be encountered.

But for other than small articles, most people on AT provide excerpts from the source material, and provide a link to the full article. Thus, we tend to see all the ads, too. So why would anyone have a problem with this?

What's obscene is the practice of "quote mining": Selectively lifting excerpts from a source so as to effectively change the intended meaning.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: JacobJ

Originally posted by: ntdz
This whole thread is ridiculous. There is nothing wrong with posting a link to an article and quoting it in the post. The people posting it aren't making any money from posting it, and anandtech isn't making money from them being posted, either. Is it illegal when Anadtech puts news stories links on it's main page? Check Anandtech's right bar with the latest news. It's the same thing as posting the article in the forum. Give me a break, this is ludicrious.

Well...if you disagree with the law then maybe you should call the law ridiculous???

Maybe it is ridiculous. But you haven't proven that its legal to post an entire article. It is not.

No, I think you making a thread about this is ridiculous.

 

[ruffilb]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: JacobJ
I'm sick of everyone stealing content.

It is STEALING to copy and paste an entire news article into your post.

YOU DON'T OWN THE COPYRIGHT!

As a moderated forum, I hope anandtech will no longer put up with this.

Can I quote your post? Oh no, I just stole from you!

Bwahahahaa.

:shocked: I stole from you BOTH!

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: JacobJ

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Whether posting the entire article is a copyright infringement under fair use laws is definitely touch and go.

But if someone were to go ahead and sue, I'd like to see them show 'real damages'.

This certainly isn't a 'touch and go' issue. Do you disagree with Stanford University in it's position outlined here. Explain how it is wrong. What is your reasoning according to the law itself?

It is not fair use to post an entire chapter out of a novel, nor to post an entire movie, nor to post an entire news article. You need permission to do those things. You can certainly post reasonably sized excerpts, but it is stealing to post the entire thing without your permission.

I hate to interrupt your sermon, but yes, it is very much "touch and go". While you are welcome to your opinion, it is only an opinion -- nothing more. Fair use is very much open to case-by-case interpretation. You need to extend your education beyond your hand-picked bits that seem to support your preconceived notions. Consider, for example, another section from your Stanford site:

Measuring Fair Use: The Four Factors

Unfortunately, the only way to get a definitive answer on whether a particular use is a fair use is to have it resolved in federal court. Judges use four factors in resolving fair use disputes, which are discussed in detail below. It's important to understand that these factors are only guidelines and the courts are free to adapt them to particular situations on a case-by-case basis. In other words, a judge has a great deal of freedom when making a fair use determination and the outcome in any given case can be hard to predict.

The four factors judges consider are:

1. the purpose and character of your use
2. the nature of the copyrighted work
3. the amount and substantiality of the portion taken, and
4. the effect of the use upon the potential market.
[ ... ]

It's simply not a black and white issue.


For myself, I used to post only excerpts of articles with links back to the original sources. I found this to be a problem, however, in threads that lived for weeks, or even months. Often the links would expire, either because the location changed -- e.g., from current to archived -- or because the original source doesn't keep articles online very long. By posting the entire text, discussions could contnue for as long as people were interested.

 

[Michael]

This was discussed to death a while ago. I personally feel that copying entire articles is not "fair use" and several lawyers that commented in the thread agreed.

However, Anandtech policy is to allow it, and the mods made it clear to me that that was the official position and I should stop arguing it.

So I agree with the OP, but it isn't going to change. Not worth fighting over.

Michael

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: JacobJ
I'm sick of everyone stealing content.

It is STEALING to copy and paste an entire news article into your post.

YOU DON'T OWN THE COPYRIGHT!

As a moderated forum, I hope anandtech will no longer put up with this.

Let's just shut down the Internet, Heil Jacob!!! :roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:

Yes, there are occasional abusers that copy & paste the whole thing but they are exception rather than the rule and they are gently told about it.

Should be cut off their fingers like Iran or China???

 

[Perknose]

Islamic justice is the obvious answer here. Word stealers, those infidel offenders, should have their contractions cut off at the apostrophes in a public forum.

 

[K1052]

hmmm....yes...I can see how you are in a position to lecture us all on this

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: K1052
hmmm....yes...I can see how you are in a position to lecture us all on this

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: K1052
hmmm....yes...I can see how you are in a position to lecture us all on this

Owned.

I was thinking of digging up a thread where he did that, but decided against it.