"Stereoscopic 3D still sucks"

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Ares202

Originally posted by: Creig
You can continue to try and sell these things as hard as you want, but the technology is the same as it was 10 years ago. I know what lower res games look like and what higher res games look like. I know what lower res 3D stereoscopic looks like, I know what higher res 3D stereoscopic will look like.

I'm sorry if nobody here seems to be getting as excited about these glasses as your employer would like, but it's simply not worth the asking price. Once people already have 120Hz monitors and fast Nvidia cards and the price of the glasses drops to $100, then I think you'll sales start to take off. Don't forget, this technology was released 10 years ago, back when people already had CRTs capable of 140Hz and the glasses were only $50-$80. And yet it still fizzled. Now you expect people to shell out $600-$900 for the privilege of seeing the exact same thing, but at a higher res?

Good luck.

+1

$600 thats a joke, i used to see these at computer fairs for $80 if they come down in price ten fold then some people might consider it

Guess that depends on your pocketbook.

$600 is not a lot of money to a lot of people, and while people complain about the recession, most of us still have our jobs. I don't even know anyone effected by the recession except for having more money because the price of gas,interest and vehicles has tanked.

I spend $600 (or more) on hobbies all the time.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: AmberClad

Originally posted by: apoppin
---you also have to realize that i saw the 3D LCD displays that do not require 3D glasses at all .. and i want to see where that tech goes before i decide; i prefer 3d without glasses

That would be ideal, imo. I dislike the need for the 3D glasses for various reasons. I've already gone over a couple of them -- the issue with wearing them with prescription glasses and the gimmicky/goofy appearance factor.

But I'd also be concerned with how much of a dimming those 3D glasses cause. There are games out there that are dark to begin with (Doom 3, L4D, the night campaign maps in Company of Heroes, the dungeons in Fallout 3 and Oblivion, etc). I can put up with a bit of dimming in some games, like say Civ 4 (a top down game), as a tradeoff for immersion factor. But for FPSs, that could be a dealbreaker if it's going to make it harder to see the enemy.

Ideally someone can come up with a decent implementation that doesn't require the 3D glasses.

Amber-
I only play first person shooters, the dimming isn't a factor. I always wear the glasses over my own.

You'll want to hit a store near you and play some Left 4 Dead when they get their kiosk up. (if you care about immersion anyway)

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: apoppin

the LCDs don't burn you eyes out like 70Hz effective on a CRT does

Didn't you run your own CRT at 70hz - just to get a higher resolution?
- when lower resolutions and 100hz were also available to you?

Nah.

I ran at 19x14 at 76Hz with this monitor

Even that caused some eyestrain, and that's over VESA standard.

 

[aigomorla]

u guys are forgetting that everthing in the computer world has a niche.

Some niche's may overlap some dont.

This 3d stuff to most people who game is kinda wowish, and others who just play hearts, completely worthless.

But think of a solid works designer that now has the ability to flip and rotate the object in 3d.

600 dollar tag??? ive seen sun systems use simular modeling tools cost upwards of 10g's. And these will only flip protein colds.


So yeah, those of you who never bought a 500 dollar video card is going OMG so not worth it blah blah blah...

but maybe people like me, who drop more then that on there gpu sector are actually interested in finding ways to tweek our already untweekable equiptment.

 

[krnmastersgt]

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: Ares202

Originally posted by: Creig
You can continue to try and sell these things as hard as you want, but the technology is the same as it was 10 years ago. I know what lower res games look like and what higher res games look like. I know what lower res 3D stereoscopic looks like, I know what higher res 3D stereoscopic will look like.

I'm sorry if nobody here seems to be getting as excited about these glasses as your employer would like, but it's simply not worth the asking price. Once people already have 120Hz monitors and fast Nvidia cards and the price of the glasses drops to $100, then I think you'll sales start to take off. Don't forget, this technology was released 10 years ago, back when people already had CRTs capable of 140Hz and the glasses were only $50-$80. And yet it still fizzled. Now you expect people to shell out $600-$900 for the privilege of seeing the exact same thing, but at a higher res?

Good luck.

+1

$600 thats a joke, i used to see these at computer fairs for $80 if they come down in price ten fold then some people might consider it

Guess that depends on your pocketbook.

$600 is not a lot of money to a lot of people, and while people complain about the recession, most of us still have our jobs. I don't even know anyone effected by the recession except for having more money because the price of gas,interest and vehicles has tanked.

I spend $600 (or more) on hobbies all the time.

Does that tell you what income bracket you belong in? You should know that a recession hits the lower income brackets MUCH harder, in fact the wealthier people I know can make a killing in a recession since property value falls down so much. Specialized/higher educated professions aren't really impacted since they can't just replace you with a random person off the street, however if your job doesn't require any such special experience/degrees you become highly replaceable. Or if there's just too many of the degree holders in 1 field (like engineering). Be a little more open minded as to the words you're throwing around since a lot of people might be offended you call this recession a joke when they've lost a lot already.

And +1 to the "it's not there yet" posts, I'm more waiting for same thing apoppin is with the no-glasses required 3D monitors.

 

[ZimZum]

Originally posted by: nRollo


Guess that depends on your pocketbook.

$600 is not a lot of money to a lot of people, and while people complain about the recession, most of us still have our jobs. I don't even know anyone effected by the recession except for having more money because the price of gas,interest and vehicles has tanked.

I spend $600 (or more) on hobbies all the time.

You don't know anyone who invested money in the stock market/mutual funds etc ?! Must be fun living paycheck to paycheck.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: taltamir
ok so i am a bit confused, did the author just try a DIFFERENT 3d from nvidia's in frys and decide that all 3d sucks, including nvidias, or did he actually try the nvidia implementation?

Ya, he never even tried Nvidia's latest solution, so its basically a rant on 3D in general. I think this guy is lobbying for humans to develop polarized retinas or something, as he seems to hate the notion of having to wear glasses for stereoscopic 3D from a 2D source.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: ZimZum

Originally posted by: nRollo


Guess that depends on your pocketbook.

$600 is not a lot of money to a lot of people, and while people complain about the recession, most of us still have our jobs. I don't even know anyone effected by the recession except for having more money because the price of gas,interest and vehicles has tanked.

I spend $600 (or more) on hobbies all the time.

You don't know anyone who invested money in the stock market/mutual funds etc ?! Must be fun living paycheck to paycheck.

LOL

Strange inference.

I was talking about disposable income rather than net worth, obviously.

I'm upper middle class, not independently wealthy. (meaning fluctuations in the stock market mean temporary paper losses, not change of cash flow)

 

[natty1]

forget about the glasses, its the 120hz lcd that is the big news here

 

[BFG10K]

Originally posted by: natty1

forget about the glasses, its the 120hz lcd that is the big news here

I agree wholeheartedly. Specifically, they need to get the big 30" ones on 120 Hz and get rid of the input lag, and then we?re in business.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Originally posted by: natty1

forget about the glasses, its the 120hz lcd that is the big news here

I agree wholeheartedly. Specifically, they need to get the big 30" ones on 120 Hz and get rid of the input lag, and then we?re in business.

But until then we'd all be better off using CRTs like you do, right?

Just so we're clear on what you prefer to this.

I think you post encapsulates the theme of a LOT of posts about new hig end PC gaming equipment: "It's not a good enough value yet."

The thing is new high end stuff is almost never a great value, or everything to everybody when it launches.

It costs more because it gives unique functionality.

When 3D Vision works well there's nothing like it, and it works well on a lot of games. Is it worth $600? To me it would be, if you're on a tight budget, maybe not.

When a bottle of my favorite tequila is $50, is $200 high for the glasses? Beats me, but I've spent $200 on things that have given me less enjoyment.

 

[ZimZum]

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: ZimZum

Originally posted by: nRollo


Guess that depends on your pocketbook.

$600 is not a lot of money to a lot of people, and while people complain about the recession, most of us still have our jobs. I don't even know anyone effected by the recession except for having more money because the price of gas,interest and vehicles has tanked.

I spend $600 (or more) on hobbies all the time.

You don't know anyone who invested money in the stock market/mutual funds etc ?! Must be fun living paycheck to paycheck.

LOL

Strange inference.

I was talking about disposable income rather than net worth, obviously.

I'm upper middle class, not independently wealthy. (meaning fluctuations in the stock market mean temporary paper losses, not change of cash flow)

Whether you meant it that way or not. Your post had the tone of. "None of my circle have even noticed there is a recession, its only affected the hoi polloi and the riff-raff."

Trust me. When you lose 70% of your net worth. I can guarantee you its more than a temporary fluctuation and paper loss. And it sure as hell effects you.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: taltamir
ok so i am a bit confused, did the author just try a DIFFERENT 3d from nvidia's in frys and decide that all 3d sucks, including nvidias, or did he actually try the nvidia implementation?

Ya, he never even tried Nvidia's latest solution, so its basically a rant on 3D in general. I think this guy is lobbying for humans to develop polarized retinas or something, as he seems to hate the notion of having to wear glasses for stereoscopic 3D from a 2D source.

thank you... in other words its a bullshit article that shouldn't even be discussed because the author of the rant admits he has not tried the product in question. Kinda like the fox news report about mass effect. I shall promptly unsubscribe from this thread than, because if this is the case there is really nothing to discuss, just flame and counter flame on a non related issue.

 

[SirPaulie]

Originally posted by: taltamir
ok so i am a bit confused, did the author just try a DIFFERENT 3d from nvidia's in frys and decide that all 3d sucks, including nvidias, or did he actually try the nvidia implementation?

I am confused with that as well -- there wasn't clarity and actually e-mailed the author.

 

[SirPaulie]

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: taltamir
ok so i am a bit confused, did the author just try a DIFFERENT 3d from nvidia's in frys and decide that all 3d sucks, including nvidias, or did he actually try the nvidia implementation?

Ya, he never even tried Nvidia's latest solution, so its basically a rant on 3D in general. I think this guy is lobbying for humans to develop polarized retinas or something, as he seems to hate the notion of having to wear glasses for stereoscopic 3D from a 2D source.

You have to be kidding me? He blanketed all stereo and a huge sweeping style. Sad!

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: SirPaulie

Originally posted by: taltamir
ok so i am a bit confused, did the author just try a DIFFERENT 3d from nvidia's in frys and decide that all 3d sucks, including nvidias, or did he actually try the nvidia implementation?

I am confused with that as well -- there wasn't clarity and actually e-mailed the author.

Aaaaaiiieeeeeeeee! Worlds are colliding! One of the Rage3d denizens invades AnandTech!

LOL- you should check out my PhysX + stereo benches here as you are such an immersion focused person.

 

[apoppin]

Aaaaaiiieeeeeeeee! Worlds are colliding! One of the Rage3d denizens invades AnandTech!

Outrageous

:music:
B3D too, right?

it does not look like he tried it from his wording:

Consider what's arguably one of the best stereoscopic 3D implementations on the market right now: Nvidia's GeForce 3D Vision. I'm told it produces excellent image quality . . .

i rest my case

 

[SirPaulie]

Noticed the "I'm told" part as well and just desired more clarity from the author and why I e-mailed the author -- to be 100 percent sure.

Loathe the representation and blanket views of that article without the common decency to try the new GeForce 3d vision first hand. No problem stating they didn't like it or sucks -- but try it for crying-out-loud!

 

[SirPaulie]

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: SirPaulie

Originally posted by: taltamir
ok so i am a bit confused, did the author just try a DIFFERENT 3d from nvidia's in frys and decide that all 3d sucks, including nvidias, or did he actually try the nvidia implementation?

I am confused with that as well -- there wasn't clarity and actually e-mailed the author.

Aaaaaiiieeeeeeeee! Worlds are colliding! One of the Rage3d denizens invades AnandTech!

LOL- you should check out my PhysX + stereo benches here as you are such an immersion focused person.

That's actually the kind of thing that interests me -- PhysX+Stereo3d data over-all and nice to see one with the PhysX discrete card as well.

 

[edplayer]

Originally posted by: nRollo
LOL

Strange inference.

I was talking about disposable income rather than net worth, obviously.

How is that strange?


I think most people who own equities take the current climate seriously. Probably a lot more taking it seriously vs. those "laughing out loud" while going out and buying $600 glasses to play videogames with

but whatever...

 

[Genx87]

I love the amount of luddites there are in the tech community. Oh noes 3d glasses, must resist! Biggest complaint? The fact he and his friends resisted another technological advance called contact lenses years ago. Perhaps he would be happy living with FDR's fireside chats next to the radio.

Classic.

 

[SirPaulie]

Originally posted by: edplayer

Originally posted by: nRollo
LOL

Strange inference.

I was talking about disposable income rather than net worth, obviously.

How is that strange?


I think most people who own equities take the current climate seriously. Probably a lot more taking it seriously vs. those "laughing out loud" while going out and buying $600 glasses to play videogames with

but whatever...

That's a fair view over-all and tend to look at pricing right now as an early adoption point-of-view that may allow for prices to go down in due time. When this happens more may be interested as 120hz monitors slowly replace older 60hz technologies and become more mainstreamed price.

No one needs to buy right now obviously but at least it starts now -- and some look at this choice as a positive, too.

 

[Ares202]

Originally posted by: nRollo

Guess that depends on your pocketbook.

$600 is not a lot of money to a lot of people, and while people complain about the recession, most of us still have our jobs. I don't even know anyone effected by the recession except for having more money because the price of gas,interest and vehicles has tanked.

I spend $600 (or more) on hobbies all the time.

If you have so much money burning a hole in your pocket, maybe you could consider giving it to someone who needs it in a third world country other than spending it on a crappy so called "hobby"

makes me kinda sick actually, theres a million things i can think of to do with $600 before spending it on the glasses

 

[v8envy]

Originally posted by: Ares202


makes me kinda sick actually, theres a million things i can think of to do with $600 before spending it on the glasses

And yet, it looks like the rig in your signature is about $900. Did you consider donating to less fortunate in a third world country and making do with an E2140 and 9600GT instead?

 

[SirPaulie]

Originally posted by: v8envy

Originally posted by: Ares202


makes me kinda sick actually, theres a million things i can think of to do with $600 before spending it on the glasses

And yet, it looks like the rig in your signature is about $900. Did you consider donating to less fortunate in a third world country and making do with an E2140 and 9600GT instead?

Talk about using others' words against them..........running away from you!