Stop buying music and movies!

imported_dgingeri

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Nov 17, 2004
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I need to get this out to as wide an audience as I can:

Stop buying music and movies until the movie and music studios stop suing innocent people and stop suing to stop innovation.

Recently, the MPAA has sued to stop the RealDVD program from being sold, claiming it can be used to pirate movies. This is simply not true. It leaves the DVD encryption in place and actually increases security of the movie copied locally by putting all of them into a monolithic library file that is also encrypted. The real motivation of the movie studios is to continue to restrict how you can watch your movies.

They have continually sued people to eliminate the ability to save movies locally so that law abiding people can't just have a library of movies they have paid for on their computers so that they don't have to endanger their DVD's. This forces overuse of the DVD's people buy, causing them to become damaged over time, and forcing people to have to buy them over and over again. This is money the movie studios don't even come close to deserving.

When DVD's were first under development, they had a caddy around them to protect it from damage, but the movie studios pushed to have that removed, making the disks vulnerable to being damaged when taken out of the package.

In the new HD formats, they fought to have restricted viewing on the disks, so that once purchased, they could only be viewed a certain number of times before they become useless. People pushed back, and the studios relented, but they haven't given up on this. are still fighting to restrict our rights on how many times we can play back movies, and the music industry is following suit.

They have also been inflating their numbers on how much piracy is affecting them. They know that most people who are pirating their music and movies wouldn't buy them anyway, but they still claim the lost sales, even though they aren't lost at all. They still claim huge numbers on who is pirating, even though they know the real numbers are maybe 1/10 they claim. They also claim their lack of growth of sales is due to piracy, even though they know full well that the lost sales is due to the lack of quality of their recently released music and movies. They know they make crap, but they want more excuses, more justification, to sue people and stifle innovation.

I say stop buying movies and music so that they might begin to understand that it is the consumer that has the power here. Show them that they can't continue to rob us. Show them that they stay in business on our permission, not the other way around.

Don't buy The Dark Knight when it comes out. Show them just how much we can affect their sales! We can get them under rein. We can keep our rights to watch movies and listen to music how WE want to, not how they give us permission to.

Tell them to stop suing and robbing their customers by not buying their products until they stop this garbage.
 

SneakyStuff

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Don't buy The Dark Knight when it comes out. Show them just how much we can affect their sales!

It is going to sell enough copies to go to the moon and back. I very rarely buy movies but I'll be getting that one!

 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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Originally posted by: ParticleMan
Originally posted by: Ns1
Maybe consumers should stop stealing?

150 year copyright steals from the public domain and DRM steals from fair use.

Searching

(insert movie/band/song/program here) + rapidshare + forums OR

(insert movie/band/song/program here) + torrent

On google shows you just how much consumers give a shit.




I agree with fair use; I also agree that companies should be paid fairly for their work.
 

TallBill

Lifer
Apr 29, 2001
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Meh, I stopped buying DVD's like 3 years ago after signing up for Netflix. And there's no music out right now to buy anyways.
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: Ns1
Maybe consumers should stop stealing?

The way I see it, they only go after people who are stealing...or those who develop products to help people steal.

"Fair Use" is a good thing, but too many people seem to think that it includes putting the copyrighted material on their computer and sharing it with the rest of the world...
 

SleepWalkerX

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Jun 29, 2004
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I'd gladly pay money for a service that allows me to download movies whenever I want, runs on Linux, provides unrestricted media, and is cheap. I don't buy that many movies because its gotten annoying just to keep up with the physical media. I just keep digital copies on my hard drive of all my entertainment. I'm not going to adjust to the MPAA's business model. The MPAA is going to have to adjust to my model if they want my money. Its that simple.
 

mugs

Lifer
Apr 29, 2003
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Pass. I already ordered The Dark Knight on Blu-ray.

I'd also love it if you provided some sources, because you have zero credibility with me when you're claiming that the movie studios wanted to limit the number of views on HD formats. There are formats with limited number of views, and I think you're deliberately mixing up facts. Nothing in your post has any credibility if you're going to lie to us.

Also, FYI - you can get your scratched DVDs replaced by paying a nominal shipping/handling fee (~$5) to the studio for a replacement disc.
 

imported_dgingeri

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Originally posted by: Ns1
Maybe consumers should stop stealing?

Consumers aren't stealing nearly as much as the studios say they are. Most of the downloading is done by people trying to get a decent digital copy of what they've already bought on CD or DVD.

Do yourself a favor, stop listening to the bought and paid for major media. they lie through their teeth worse than politicians.
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: dgingeri

Consumers aren't stealing nearly as much as the studios say they are. Most of the downloading is done by people trying to get a decent digital copy of what they've already bought on CD or DVD.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAAHAH!!!111oneone!!
 

frostedflakes

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Mar 1, 2005
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Been forever since I've purchased a new album from an RIAA-affiliated label, although I do buy them second-hand if it's an album I really like.

I actually have a theory on the decrease in album sales. IMO, the problem is the overall quality of albums, not piracy. Before digital downloads, consumers had no choice but to go out and spend $10-15 on an album (or like $5 on a single) for the few songs they wanted. Now, however, they have the ability to purchase the few songs they like for a dollar a piece. If you look at the stats, digital track downloads have been increasing rapidly -- I think more people than ever are purchasing music. The problem is, the record industry counts 10 digital track downloads as an album sale. For the reason I mentioned above, I think this method is flawed. If you count two or three digital track downloads as an album download, the stats would paint a very different picture.

Another issue I think is that with the internet, now the major record labels have to compete with independent artists who are receiving more exposure.
 

Ns1

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Jun 17, 2001
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Originally posted by: dgingeri
Originally posted by: Ns1
Maybe consumers should stop stealing?

Consumers aren't stealing nearly as much as the studios say they are. Most of the downloading is done by people trying to get a decent digital copy of what they've already bought on CD or DVD.

Do yourself a favor, stop listening to the bought and paid for major media. they lie through their teeth worse than politicians.

HAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA


You can't seriously believe that. Seriously.


If what you say is true, what do you have to say about torrents for movies that haven't been release on dvd?


One more example of entitlement taken to the extreme: the internet porn industry

You want to tell me all these guys are dl'ing shit that they already bought in some form or another? LOL
 

mxyzptlk

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I've been doing my part since they installed my first DSL line back in 99.


(actually I'd been doing the same thing on dial-up for years before that..)
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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oh yeah dgingeri-

Ever hear of the eMule craze on college campuses 4-5 years ago? I'm sure they all had legit copies too.
 

SleepWalkerX

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I guess I didn't even mention the music industry, but they are in need of change as well. Trent Reznor was able to satisfy all my requirements when he released Ghosts I-IV online. He had Ghosts I released for free in a lower quality mp3 file, had the whole album available in high quality mp3s and CD quality lossless flac, and even put up 24bit 96khz lossless flac. All albums were tagged and included album art. And best of all, he only charged $5 for his album and made $1.6 million in the first week his released it. The only advertising he had were online sites like digg and slashdot. This is how I want to buy my music. Except what would be nice is if I had an account and I could redownload my album at any time after buying it (I think he allowed his). small article

Ghosts I-IV wasn't even a normal release album. It just contained tracks from Reznor playing around with different musical instruments. Reznor made so much money that he put up his next album, The Slip, for free on his site before you could get it in stores. A flac rip was included.
 

OCGuy

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I think they should scrap DRM, but increase enforcement on the kids that can't help pirating. I think 30 days in county would straighten them up.
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
I think they should scrap DRM, but increase enforcement on the kids that can't help pirating. I think 30 days in county would straighten them up.

Gotta make some run by letting druggies out first.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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Originally posted by: SleepWalkerX
I guess I didn't even mention the music industry, but they are in need of change as well. Trent Reznor was able to satisfy all my requirements when he released Ghosts I-IV online. He had Ghosts I released for free in a lower quality mp3 file, had the whole album available in high quality mp3s and CD quality lossless flac, and even put up 24bit 96khz lossless flac. All albums were tagged and included album art. And best of all, he only charged $5 for his album and made $1.6 million in the first week his released it. The only advertising he had were online sites like digg and slashdot. This is how I want to buy my music. Except what would be nice is if I had an account and I could redownload my album at any time after buying it (I think he allowed his). small article

Ghosts I-IV wasn't even a normal release album. It just contained tracks from Reznor playing around with different musical instruments. Reznor made so much money that he put up his next album, The Slip, for free on his site before you could get it in stores. A flac rip was included.

TR definitely knows what's up.

I dl'ed the slip and bought it 2 weeks later.
 
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Originally posted by: Ns1

I agree with fair use; I also agree that companies should be paid fairly for their work.

Winner.

Unfortunately there are not many ways to buy music/movies/games that doesn't hurt the artist, consumer, or both. The DRM free stuff is as close as we have come, but even then it can screw the artist by just allowing it to go to a file sharing site.
 
Dec 26, 2007
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Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: dgingeri
Originally posted by: Ns1
Maybe consumers should stop stealing?

Consumers aren't stealing nearly as much as the studios say they are. Most of the downloading is done by people trying to get a decent digital copy of what they've already bought on CD or DVD.

Do yourself a favor, stop listening to the bought and paid for major media. they lie through their teeth worse than politicians.

HAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA


You can't seriously believe that. Seriously.


If what you say is true, what do you have to say about torrents for movies that haven't been release on dvd?


One more example of entitlement taken to the extreme: the internet porn industry

You want to tell me all these guys are dl'ing shit that they already bought in some form or another? LOL

Sorry NS1, but that's a bad example. The porn industry isn't against piracy as much as RIAA/MPAA, because they see that it benefits them. They don't promote piracy obviously, but when people pirate porn and find stuff they like they are more likely to get porn from that site/company. They will also share it with friends, and the more the company/girl/video is known the more sales they see. The porn industry is a bit different than music/movies/games.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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Sorry NS1, but that's a bad example. The porn industry isn't against piracy as much as RIAA/MPAA, because they see that it benefits them. They don't promote piracy obviously, but when people pirate porn and find stuff they like they are more likely to get porn from that site/company. They will also share it with friends, and the more the company/girl/video is known the more sales they see. The porn industry is a bit different than music/movies/games.

I think that may have been true a few years ago, but nowadays you can find ANYTHING porn related with a few google searches.

I swear, rapidshare/megaupload ONLY exist for the purpose of pirating porn.

//edit

Actually, I will agree with you as far as TGP's and whatnot goes, but why buy when you can dl entire clips/sites?
 

GTKeeper

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Apr 14, 2005
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The RIAA is a failed business model. It is not adapting fast enough for the times. People will pay money for convienience, just look at iTunes. Make DVDs/Movies/MP3s EASY to get for a small cost and I will buy a lot.

What pisses me off is that back in the late 80s and early 90s when CDs first came out. They cost 15 dollars because of 'manufacturing costs'. Today they cost 14-20.

Also in the mid 1990s the RIAA was found PRICE FIXING their products and it lost a class auction lawsuit.

It is crook vs crook, and the consumer crook will win, unless RIAA changes their business model.
 
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