Stopping those darn college abusers

[FiberoN]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I guess the folks at Cisco have never heard of packet shapers. From where I'm sitting, a packet shaper solves the vast majority of the problems a network administrator faces much better than this system they are talking about. Packet shapers allow important traffic to stay fast without resorting to raping your network connection because you wanted to download a Linux distro with bit torrent.

And I'm I the only one who thinks a lot of college network admins need to have that stick removed from their ass? Let's not forget that the network connection isn't provided as charity, students PAY for it.

UM, HELLO JACK ASS.

Packet shapers are expensive and are best used at the edge. this approach I've linked (and has been used for a couple years) is a per port/per IP/per conversation/per hour approach.

IE, much more granular and IMHO vastly superior to trying to manange edge rate-limiting.

Now sit the fvck down and come up with a real comment.

You stupid fvck, don't you EVER DARE call somebody who shapes traffic and manages a network a "network administrator"

NEXT!

<sorry for the hostility but I tend to go off when I post some seriously good stuff and have somebody come in and say "well, gee, packet shapers can do that">

And yes, this post was for the guys trying to stop this crap. And also lure in the young'uns who think it is their right to abuse a network.

OWNED.

 

[Pandamonium]

That was damn harsh.

FWIW I'll probably continue to try to hammer my connection as much as possible before I graduate. The way I see it, a university's operating budget is the sum of it's endowment interest, tuition, housing, meal plans, parking passes, internet access, etc - all of which is paid for on behalf of the enrolled student body. If I'm (well, my parents really) paying $40+k/yr, I damn well expect to be able to use the internet just as I do at home.

I can't attest to the situation at other schools, but my bandwidth is already heavily throttled for all external p2p protocols. Moreover, they've moved all academic traffic to another network separate from that used by students. (Which makes me wonder why our connections are still throttled...)

I'm sorry, but I'm a firm believer in being able to try &amp; buy - (or at least trying and returning), and never intend to drop my money on a piece of software that I can't properly evaluate. Personally, most demos often don't allow me to become familiar enough with a program to evaluate it. So "bandwidth raping" comes in handy for me.

Besides, networks exist to be used. Classification of said use as abuse and proper use is all relative. I can't really offer anything in the technical aspect of networking, but I think you should all just calm down about the use of a network. =)

 

[AFB]

Yeah, but do you need > 2gig within a 72 hour period ?

 

[Pandamonium]

Personally, no.
But I could understand if someone wanted that much. Especially art students. And there are times I've made large downloads only to find that I've got a CRC error somewhere. Let's also not forget porn. If I wanted to binge I could definitely hit 2gb in a night... and probably end up deleting all but a 50mb clip after all is said and, well, done. =)

 

[n0cmonkey]

By the time you downloaded 2GB of porn in one night, you'd be walking funny for a week.

Give it up. The students don't pay for everything. The throttling is put in place so that users get a (more) fair share of the network resources. The child downloading Warez_file_number_6.gz doesn't deserve more than the student downloading a medical journal. Hell, the child downloading warez_file_number_6.gz deserves to be castrated, but that's another issue all together. Except, it comes back to respect. You admit to not respecting copyright (because of some belief that you need full versions of everything to "try" it), so why should we expect you to respect the network people?

There are finite resources out there. A college network is one of them. Shut up and deal. Hopefully you'll get throttled off the damn internet.

 

[Agamar]

Colleges are probably the most bandwidth hungry locations around. When I worked for a local college here, we had a packetshaper, a proxy, and all sorts of software monitors to regulate our students traffic. Got it pretty good in line. Then we finally realized that all the traffic shaping and managing still didn't make up for the fact that we only had a T1... A year before I left for a higher paying job at a large company, we finally upgraded to a 6.5M line. Now I am working for this huge company, and only have dual 360K links(I am fighting for a T1).

 

[spidey07]

yeah. I went overboard and appologize.

It is just extremely difficult to meet the demands of a college network when you have bandwidth hogs dowloading all day. It truly is the biggest problem for a college network by far - the abuse.

I mean lets face it...bandwidth still costs money and we all have a budget to stick to. So this article points out some great methods to use embedded technology and a little programming skills to make an automated system to prevent abuse.