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purbeast0

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Originally posted by: JoPh
whatever it takes to win right//

yea.

i mean i played this akuma who was ssssoooo annoying.

all he did was jump back, air fireball, then when at a full screen, keep tossing fireballs at me. if i started moving towards him, he would jump back, fireball.

when he hit the corner and i was approaching him, he teleported to the other side.

rinse and repeat.

i don't remember how exactly I got in on him but i ended up beating him and i was using balrog. it was truly just an annoying match to play and wasn't really fun.
 

Chrono

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OH WAIT! I forgot about the teleporting Akuma too. I think it's complete bs how Akuma's roundhouse kick frames seem to out prioritize anybody elses.
 

purbeast0

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Originally posted by: Chrono
OH WAIT! I forgot about the teleporting Akuma too. I think it's complete bs how Akuma's roundhouse kick frames seem to out prioritize anybody elses.

while akuma may seem overpowered, the problem he has is that his vitality is the lowest in the game (tied with Seth) so he does not have much strength.
 

purbeast0

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Originally posted by: Chrono
purbeast, wanna game tonight? I'll be on PSN tonight around 7:30PM - 8:00PM PST.

sure if i'm on there send me a message. im gonna be on XBL when i get off work for a while probably then hop off and eat and chill, then if i get back on i'll get on PSN instead.

im EST so it'll be like 11pm my time.

EDIT:

who is your main chrono?
 

Chrono

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Ryu is my main. Elf is my secondary. But I'd play anybody really. Trying to get better at some other odd characters.
 

Chrono

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Also, I wish my TE stick for the 360 would be here already. Capcom store really does not deliver. It's been about 2 months already. I ordered on January 27th.

If I got the TE stick, I'd be on xbox live to play as well.
 

mxyzptlk

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Originally posted by: Chrono
Ryu is my main. Elf is my secondary.

Just from my experience, your Elf is terrifying. There were several points where I just gave up because before I could even think of something to try, I was already either dizzy or dead.


edit: on the upside, I've sorta learned how to do the EX focus cancel shit, but on the downside, I still don't know how to use it effectively.. So far I've been pretty good at canceling an otherwise landed EX shoryuken into absolutely nothing... That's not winning me any fights, but at least I look cool doing it I'm trying to land the focus hit which causes a crumble and then land sakura's ultra, but what ends up happening more often is that I let go before the FA charges long enough to crumble OR i botch the input of the ultra and end up jumping away and wasting 3 EX bars.

also, I can feel my sixaxis controller stressing every single time I do a focus attack. I figure it'll last another few weeks before it just snaps in my hands.
 

Chrono

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Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
Originally posted by: Chrono
Ryu is my main. Elf is my secondary.

Just from my experience, your Elf is terrifying. There were several points where I just gave up because before I could even think of something to try, I was already either dizzy or dead.


edit: on the upside, I've sorta learned how to do the EX focus cancel shit, but on the downside, I still don't know how to use it effectively.. So far I've been pretty good at canceling an otherwise landed EX shoryuken into absolutely nothing... That's not winning me any fights, but at least I look cool doing it I'm trying to land the focus hit which causes a crumble and then land sakura's ultra, but what ends up happening more often is that I let go before the FA charges long enough to crumble OR i botch the input of the ultra and end up jumping away and wasting 3 EX bars.

also, I can feel my sixaxis controller stressing every single time I do a focus attack. I figure it'll last another few weeks before it just snaps in my hands.


LOL. So that's why you stopped moving after a while. I thought you went idle or something, which is why I backed off. ELF is actually really really fun. He's so unorthodox it's hilarious. As for Ryu, shotos are more predictable. So it's easier to fight against them. Keep at playing Sakura, I'm sure you'll development the muscle memory and reflexes to do things asap. Only thing is you got to be a lil more aggressive instead of being so passive and in a defensive stance. My Ryu kinda sucks actually. The combos are from playing SF2 -> SFA -> basically all past Street Fighters, however, I know there's more I can do to improve playing as him. I think all characters are fun, as long as you know what to do when the appropriate time comes (countering, defense, offense).
 

ponyo

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Originally posted by: Chrono
Ryu is my main. Elf is my secondary. But I'd play anybody really. Trying to get better at some other odd characters.

I've no idea how to fight Elf. One of my most serious beating came from Elf player. He just confused the heck out of me with his constant running and jumping tactics. I should really try using him so I can learn what his moves look like.
 

purbeast0

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crono, i'll hop on probably around 8pm your time.

when you see me pop on start a room and send me an invite.

i'm on DSL so my UL isn't the best, will probably be best if you host.

and i hope my wife doesn't use the PC much, yesterday I could hardly play because she was on youtube heh.
 

mxyzptlk

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man, FUCK zangief. :| I swear, you kick that mothafucka in the nuts and all you get in return is a spinning pile driver.

So far the only thing I got that vaguely works is to run away and throw fireballs and try to land a kick when he lariats through them.. thats IT that's the entirety of my gief strat. and even that doesn't work :|

gg, latex yer cool, its zangief that I hate

edit: oh yea and I think i just broke my controller. Haven't done that since SF2 for snes... funny how that works out.
 

WraithETC

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I find that most of my matches have too much latency when I don't host. Sometimes I can't even block random shorykens and Hk -> lhk. Its infuriating; so whenever I play rank I will always host to avoid smashing my controller and yelling.

I don't mind losing but if I'm blocking and I still get hit with the most obvious attacks I go ape shit raging.

My favorite win so far was when a Honda head butted into my ex green hand.
 

ponyo

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Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
man, FUCK zangief. :| I swear, you kick that mothafucka in the nuts and all you get in return is a spinning pile driver.

So far the only thing I got that vaguely works is to run away and throw fireballs and try to land a kick when he lariats through them.. thats IT that's the entirety of my gief strat. and even that doesn't work :|

gg, latex yer cool, its zangief that I hate

edit: oh yea and I think i just broke my controller. Haven't done that since SF2 for snes... funny how that works out.

Good games. You improved from yesterday. I saw you combo in the EX spinning hurricane kick into jumping tapping combos. That was nice. That's what I see other Sakura players do. You can play footsie and also time and distance the running dp so it'll hit as the lariats stop. That's also what I see other Sakura do. I'm not that familiar with Sakura so I can't tell you what to do. Maybe check out this matchup thread at shoryuken

I got my backup joystick working. It's the Namco Tekken joystick from PS1. Now I don't have to worry about buying another joystick. Not that you can find one to buy right now...
 

purbeast0

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gg chrono and whoever else i played.

and i feel sorry for those of you who are stuck playing only on ps3 heh, it is delay-central!

latexpaint your zangief is really annoying to face because you know all of his exploits too well lol.
 

ponyo

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purbeast0, you have a mean Balrog. You have that float into Super or Ultra down cold. Your Sagat was tough as well. Your combo dexterity is far superior to mine. My old man hand has problem stringing any long or difficult combos. That's why I use Zangief.
 

purbeast0

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Originally posted by: Naustica
purbeast0, you have a mean Balrog. You have that float into Super or Ultra down cold. Your Sagat was tough as well. Your combo dexterity is far superior to mine. My old man hand has problem stringing any long or difficult combos. That's why I use Zangief.

yah good games man. i definitely want to play you more so i can figure out how to get in and actually kill you more lol. you have zangief's fundamentals down to a damn science. like you said you don't do many combos, but you don't have to with zangief. he is frustrating to play because of the ways you can exploit some of his moves and the stun that his opponent gets after blocking, which allows zangief to do some of his damn throws.

in general, i find zangief one of the most boring matches when i'm playing as balrog, cause balrog really has no way to initiate attacks on him because zangiefs lariat counters EVERYTHING that he has to offer. that is why i just kept trying to do his light dash punch and catching you at the end of your lariats. it is frustrating because i can't really do many combos on you at all.

also w/my sagat, he is not one of my better shotos heh. i was simply using him because i thought zoning with him would be easier and because he's overpowered. i know a few basics with him, but i have hardly used him in sf4 at all. but once you know how to use a shoto character, you can kind of use any of them to some extent.

but i don't know wtf it is, but on PSN i was having trouble pulling off moves and timing stuff. there were 2 times I can remember when you were running at me to do zangiefs move where he runs and grabs, and i was holding all 3 punches for a TAP, then I jumped backwards and let go of the buttons, however it registered that i never jumped, and then i let go of the three punches and sped towards you, with it resulting in you grabbing me. i even lost 1 way because of that, which I remember because it frustrated the hell out of me lol.

i was also having a hell of a time blocking crossups on PSN which was bothering the hell out of me

and sorry i had to bounce real quick, i initially thought you were cronos until i got his messages to play, which i had planned on doing heh!

and cronos sorry i left so quickly too but i was getting a lot of input delay and i couldn't time a damn thing on wakeup and was getting frustrated against your elf. when I was akuma i couldn't even do moves, i don't know why. i dont know if you saw me just spamming punches and kicks, but that was me missing moves heh. on the last match we had, i was sitting in the corner just tapping jab to see what kind of delay there was and it was noticeable, and i was like f-it, i can't play with this kind of delay because it will just frustrate me.

speaking of your elf, you play him well, to the point i really don't know what to do. i think part of it is that i have not played against elf much so i don't know how to fight him. i would definitely like to play your elf some more so i can learn a thing or two about how to defend and attack him. seeing people play well with him like you did makes me want to try and learn him.

chrono when you get your 360 stick we should play on 360. i just think my internet connection is not that great to have a steady connection on PSN. it was funny cause right after i got off i went back on XBL and played a few ranked games adn I could do all my moves!

EDIT:

also crono you did say you were on west coast, maybe that has to do with it. Naustica where are you located? i actually did not have any input delay or really any lag with you at all and we had 4 bars, you just flat out kicked my ass haha.
 

RyanPaulShaffer

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I played a bunch of unranked player matches yesterday. It was fun, and SHOCK OF ALL SHOCKS, people actually stayed around after they lost. What a concept... :disgust:

Ranked play is worthless until Capcom fixes the disconnect problem. Seriously, it isn't that hard...after a disconnect, one player is still online and the other isn't. Or at the very least, track a "Disconnects" stat for people who DC, and a "Disconnected on" stat for people who are DCed on. There's no reason to punish the people who play legitimately.
 

purbeast0

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Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
I played a bunch of unranked player matches yesterday. It was fun, and SHOCK OF ALL SHOCKS, people actually stayed around after they lost. What a concept... :disgust:

Ranked play is worthless until Capcom fixes the disconnect problem. Seriously, it isn't that hard...after a disconnect, one player is still online and the other isn't. Or at the very least, track a "Disconnects" stat for people who DC, and a "Disconnected on" stat for people who are DCed on. There's no reason to punish the people who play legitimately.

do you play on ps3 or xbox360?

i have noticed that i see a lot more droppers on ps3.

i've only gotten to like 2300bp on PS3 and have seen probably like 6-7 droppers.

on xbox360 i'm up to just under 3800 and i've only had 2 disconnects on me.
 

RyanPaulShaffer

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Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
I played a bunch of unranked player matches yesterday. It was fun, and SHOCK OF ALL SHOCKS, people actually stayed around after they lost. What a concept... :disgust:

Ranked play is worthless until Capcom fixes the disconnect problem. Seriously, it isn't that hard...after a disconnect, one player is still online and the other isn't. Or at the very least, track a "Disconnects" stat for people who DC, and a "Disconnected on" stat for people who are DCed on. There's no reason to punish the people who play legitimately.

do you play on ps3 or xbox360?

i have noticed that i see a lot more droppers on ps3.

i've only gotten to like 2300bp on PS3 and have seen probably like 6-7 droppers.

on xbox360 i'm up to just under 3800 and i've only had 2 disconnects on me.

XBOX 360.

The fact that people can do it with no penalty is pretty silly on Capcom's part. It would be easy enough to patch away.

I just don't see the point for playing Ranked matches right now. Why try and risk having somebody DC on you with no repercussions whatsoever? Oooh, you can "avoid" that player...big deal!

There is literally nothing stopping players from disconnecting before every loss, and given the general "quality" of players on XBOX Live (Halo 3 LOL!), it would seem like it would be a rampant thing.

If there is a way to abuse the system, people will abuse it.
 

bl4ckfl4g

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Capcom is going to patch in a disconnect ratio so you can see how much everyone DCs. Not too many details on it but hopefully it shows up in the lobby.
 

JoPh

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i feel i need to play some of you just to see what a good balrog and zangief look like. im pretty bad but all this talk has me interested just to see what these look like.
 

purbeast0

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Can someone please explain to me EXACTLY how to block crossups?

Say I'm on the left side and my opponent is on the right side and they knock me down.

They would try to cross me up on wake switching over to the left side which would put me on the right side.

In SF2, the crossup attack, I would block by holding the LEFT direction, which would be back for me, and then after that is blocked, I would now be on the right side and my opponent on the left side, and now to block his followup attacks, I would have to now hold RIGHT to block the attacks.

However in SF4 this doesn't seem to be the case. Last night I was getting screwed over and over by crossups, both with Chrono and Naustica, and I felt helpless. I did not know if it was due to the network connection or what, but I feel like I'm not blocking crossups correctly on SF4, where as on SF2 they were no problem.
 

mxyzptlk

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Originally posted by: Naustica

Good games. You improved from yesterday. I saw you combo in the EX spinning hurricane kick into jumping tapping combos. That was nice. That's what I see other Sakura players do. You can play footsie and also time and distance the running dp so it'll hit as the lariats stop. That's also what I see other Sakura do. I'm not that familiar with Sakura so I can't tell you what to do. Maybe check out this matchup thread at shoryuken

It's funny, I'm usually much better at the EX hurricane to otoshi combo. the reason that was the first time you saw it was that I don't think I could ever get the EX move to land the other day I've had more luck against lessor giefs following g0dsh0ts general advice. I've NOT had luck sweeping under lariats, every time I try it seems sakura's legs are shorter than giefs arms. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. Also, when I'm host or playing against CPU, s.HK usually works against lariats, but not when someone else is hosting. Must be a timing/lag issue I guess, but I wouldn't rule out my opponents skill level.

 
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