Student's classroom rant goes viral

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MaxPayne63

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He didn't get the point of the mindless bullshit he was fed at school. He finally worked it out and went back. I think that makes him far more of a winner than most people who just drone through life aimlessly.

An eighteen year old sophomore in high school is not a winner.
 

HamburgerBoy

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Even with the ridicioulous protections offered to public employees, you cannot "make" students do anything...that's when you're really asking for troube.

What he meant to say was that if he were a middle aged woman, he would have seduced the student with his amazing muff.
 
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and yet he still had the drive and intelligence to know what was right. the teacher did not. As he says yes he dropped out and only then did he understand the importance of education.

Seems the teacher is useless and shouldn't be teaching. This kid was 100% right.

What justification do you have to say the teacher is useless?
 

SheHateMe

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This could have been a great teacher trying to teach a class of uneducated burnouts.

We just don't know.

Not all teachers are bad. Sometimes...its just the students.
 

TridenT

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If the teacher is just using reading packets all the time then she probably is a failure. Similarly, if she uttered the words about just doing it to get a paycheck.
 

mmntech

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I'd be right there calling him a liberal hippie douchebag, if the education system actually worked. There's this one size fits all form of education that relies heavily on drills and memorization. It doesn't emphasize mastery of a subject before progressing, nor does it inspire passion in a subject. It completely ignores that different people learn different ways, and at different rates. If you don't learn in that specific way or at that specific rate, you have a learning disability or ADHD. Kids treat school as a job and see learning as meaningless busywork to do in between playing Xbox. School is boring and has no practical purpose in their lives. The result is western students falling far behind in maths, sciences, and even literacy.

The reality is, this kid is right, and there's a lot of smart people out there that agree with him. Folks like Salman Khan and Neil Degrasse Tyson.

Tyson was on the radio not too long ago saying that lack of passion for science in schools was dissuading kids from perusing it as a career. Something that's hurting America deeply. So many Americans are scientifically illiterate. Same goes for history, civics, mathematics, and languages. Imagine the impact igniting a passion for civics could make.

Teachers are a big part of the problem. For a long time, I have not considered it a very respectable career. I went through a system where teachers were highly paid but tended to care little about their jobs. Since I learned differently and at a different rate than the course material dictated, there was something wrong with me. Never did end up getting the help I needed for my weaknesses, or more advanced material for my strengths. It was a dull, repetitive process which I hated. Things only changed in university when I could choose courses I was interested in.

I've spoken with people who went through alternative education programs after attending public school, and they speak of dramatic differences. They went from hating school to loving it. Why, because their passion was ignited and they could learn how they learned best. Sadly I do not see the public system adopting a better system anytime soon, if ever.
 

zerocool84

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If you think everyone learns by just reading packets then you need to go back to school.
 

Humpy

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This is liberal america right here. This is going to erupt in a shit storm of liberal media as they question the school and teacher. Never once questioning the IQ or stupidity of the student. If you're too fucking stupid to read a worksheet or packet of paper, there is no fucking hope for you. It's a god damn classroom, not an orchestra dance play.

This is a mockery of our nation. I'm not saying this is to deem conservative values worthy by no means - but THIS in particular is just a blood splatter of what our liberal america is pissing all over. This is why we don't have second place. This is why EVERYONE gets a trophy. And this is why no one is a failure.

You'll never get anywhere with your crazy ranting unless you have a video to go along with it.
 

SheHateMe

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The reality is, this kid is right, and there's a lot of smart people out there that agree with him. Folks like Salman Khan and Neil Degrasse Tyson.

Neither of whom were 18 in the 10th Grade. I think you guys are giving this kid TOO much credit based off of a 90 second video.
 
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I'd be right there calling him a liberal hippie douchebag, if the education system actually worked. There's this one size fits all form of education that relies heavily on drills and memorization. It doesn't emphasize mastery of a subject before progressing, nor does it inspire passion in a subject. It completely ignores that different people learn different ways, and at different rates. If you don't learn in that specific way or at that specific rate, you have a learning disability or ADHD. Kids treat school as a job and see learning as meaningless busywork to do in between playing Xbox. School is boring and has no practical purpose in their lives. The result is western students falling far behind in maths, sciences, and even literacy.

The reality is, this kid is right, and there's a lot of smart people out there that agree with him. Folks like Salman Khan and Neil Degrasse Tyson.

Tyson was on the radio not too long ago saying that lack of passion for science in schools was dissuading kids from perusing it as a career. Something that's hurting America deeply. So many Americans are scientifically illiterate. Same goes for history, civics, mathematics, and languages. Imagine the impact igniting a passion for civics could make.

Teachers are a big part of the problem. For a long time, I have not considered it a very respectable career. I went through a system where teachers were highly paid but tended to care little about their jobs. Since I learned differently and at a different rate than the course material dictated, there was something wrong with me. Never did end up getting the help I needed for my weaknesses, or more advanced material for my strengths. It was a dull, repetitive process which I hated. Things only changed in university when I could choose courses I was interested in.

I've spoken with people who went through alternative education programs after attending public school, and they speak of dramatic differences. They went from hating school to loving it. Why, because their passion was ignited and they could learn how they learned best. Sadly I do not see the public system adopting a better system anytime soon, if ever.

Where are you that teachers are paid well and don't care? Around here they're paid shit and yet still try to do what they can to teach while having to deal with all sorts of stupid shit.

There is no single "problem" with education systems, there's a lot of problems. One major one is acting like school is the only education and it should either be specific or comprehensive. Its just one part, regardless of it being a wide curriculum or more narrow. Parents need to stop their PTA activist bullshit which just causes more problems and actually get involved in their kids (and their own, seriously, chances are parents would learn a shit load themselves) learning. Honestly that actually might be the worst thing too if they just try to force beliefs and incorrect knowledge on their children.

Neither of whom were 18 in the 10th Grade. I think you guys are giving this kid TOO much credit based off of a 90 second video.

Too much credit? I don't see people saying the kid deserves a Nobel prize or anything.
 

Dumac

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Talk about passing the buck. Having an engaged classroom is a burden shared equally between teacher and student. I did have teachers who regurgitated textbooks, but I also had teachers who tried to create discussions and get students to come out of their shells who were met with nothing but a wall of unraised hands and silence or even had it thrown back in their face as pointless and stupid.

I don't think it is passing the buck - especially in high school, where kids as forced to go to school. It should be your goal as a teacher to try to engage the student, rather than just pass out a packet and sit at your desk for the rest of the class. In an environment where the kid didn't really choose to be there, why should he be responsible for creating a discussion with the teacher? And even if he wanted to, it doesn't sound like this teacher would reciprocate.

Lets take this back to comparing other nations. Do you think other nations have "Extreme Passionate" teachers all around in every single classroom of every single school? Or do you think other cultures are simply trained better that you need to get your shit together and work for yourself instead of expecting others to always work for you?

Do your work for you? If we are supposed to teach ourselves, why even have teachers? Why not just mail packets home and send back your answers?

A teachers role is to teach and, hopefully, to inspire.

This could have been a great teacher trying to teach a class of uneducated burnouts.

We just don't know.

Not all teachers are bad. Sometimes...its just the students.

Based on the comments about packets and "this is my paycheck", I doubt she is a great teacher.

Most teachers are shitty. It is an easy degree to get, and easy job to get, and you can get by with minimal effort. Most teachers don't put enough effort in, which makes it hard to give the good teachers the respect and compensation they deserve. Teaching is a field that barely recognizes exceptional behavior or accomplishments.

And no, I'm not just some guy who got bad grades in HS and is mad at his teachers. I was the valedictorian of my class.
 

SheHateMe

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Most teachers are shitty. It is an easy degree to get, and easy job to get, and you can get by with minimal effort. Most teachers don't put enough effort in, which makes it hard to give the good teachers the respect and compensation they deserve. Teaching is a field that barely recognizes exceptional behavior or accomplishments.

And no, I'm not just some guy who got bad grades in HS and is mad at his teachers. I was the valedictorian of my class.

Such hasty generalizations you make in this post.

As if your final statement gives you more credibility to make such generalizations.
 

CZroe

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He's just repeating a bunch of schlock he's heard from bleeding hearts before, just like my niece would do when she was 10.

"You got a bad grade on your report card so no TV for you tonight, little girl."
"You're ruining my LIFE! GRAAaaauuugh!"
*stomp stomp stomp stomp*
...
*SLAM*

School needs to prepare you for the real world. If you behave like that in the real world when your boss hands you a packet and expects you to get it done then it isn't pretty. The teacher would be doing them a disservice if she always focused on entertaining/inspiring/"touching" them while teaching the basics and never taught the work ethics the real world demands.
 
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techs

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It's not the teachers job to motivate. Or to make learning "fun". They are there to put the info out for you to learn.
 

lxskllr

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It's not the teachers job to motivate. Or to make learning "fun". They are there to put the info out for you to learn.

Then they don't have a job. They'd be overpaid at minimum wage. Information's already out there, and it doesn't take a pulse to deliver it.
 

Lash444

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It's not the teachers job to motivate. Or to make learning "fun". They are there to put the info out for you to learn.

Troll right?

I had a teacher in 9th grade who literally didnt teach anything. When asked a question about anything he told us it was "In the book"

Why have teachers? Just open the bookstore, and when you come walking in just tell them your major and hand them their books for the semester.

Thats good teaching in your eyes, right?
 

MikeyLSU

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It's not the teachers job to motivate. Or to make learning "fun". They are there to put the info out for you to learn.

ha, as a teacher, if this were true, my job would truly be easy.

The hardest part of teaching is doing it in a way that motivates and encourages students to learn and remember.

Many here seem to think incorrectly that the job is just to give information. But in reality, the job of a teacher is to "teach" as much information in a given time frame as possible.

It goes well beyond just teaching 1 years worth of information. If a student can learn a year, we need to push for a year and a half. If a student can learn that information, push him to 2 years.

To that extent, it is up to teachers to give the best possible situation for learning every day to the best of our abilities. Pure lecturing is an awful way of teaching if that is done every day. Things need to be mixed up and students need to be given opportunities to advance at different paces than everyone else in class.

But that is for another topic. As for the video, no telling what happened before the video started. Students have a very warped idea of what truly happens in classrooms. They really think they know so much more than they actually do, and very often the worse students think more highly of themselves than the better ones.
 

Yamada

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He's 18 and in tenth grade. Whatever. I would think he would have the option of dropping out and obtaining the diploma or GED through more adult channels.
 

Wreckem

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Kid is an idiot for going back to HS as a sophomore at 18.

He should have gotten a GED and went to a JuCo. Instead hes wasting his adult years of his life in high school when he doesn't have to be.

But I got bad news for him. College is much worse in terms of boring teachers. 90% of my undergrad professors were beyond terrible at teaching. But at research universities, professors aren't really paid to teach, teaching is a secondary or tertiary responsibility. And if he had pulled that in a college class he'd probably get permanently booted from the class.
 
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yhelothar

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Neither of whom were 18 in the 10th Grade. I think you guys are giving this kid TOO much credit based off of a 90 second video.
That's incredibly stupid to focus on that one fact while completely overlooking the actual content of his message.
 
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