Stupidity

[Cogman]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Cogman
I'm not a fan of any recreational drug (That includes alcohol and Cigarettes). However, I do believe that it is somewhat hypocritical the MJ is illegal and alcohol is not. Pretty much everything that I've read about the subject puts MJ as a much safer drug then alcohol is. IMO part of the reason MJ is illegal in the US is that MJ is easy for anyone to grow. Back in the day, it might have been used to kill off the tobacco industry.

It doesn't compete with tobacco, so that's a non-issue.

in the eyes of a 1937 tobacco farmer, it very well could be. You smoke both, so why not smoke the one that is easy to grow in your back yard?

 

[nerdress]

I'm just glad you got out of that relationship. She sounds like a real winner :roll:

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: nboy22

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
if you can do it in the privacy of your own home, and no one is the wiser, that activity should not be prohibited

Exactly.. She also tried to pull the "People who smoke MJ are dumb!" card.

I told her really now? do you consider me dumb? I've got a 3.5 GPA throughout college, almost graduated with a bachelors degree.

Hrmm, she might be right.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: nboy22

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
if you can do it in the privacy of your own home, and no one is the wiser, that activity should not be prohibited

Exactly.. She also tried to pull the "People who smoke MJ are dumb!" card.

I told her really now? do you consider me dumb? I've got a 3.5 GPA throughout college, almost graduated with a bachelors degree.

Hrmm, she might be right.

hhahahahah

 

[us3rnotfound]

Originally posted by: astroidea
I remember having a similar discussion with my GF a while back. Fast forward 3 years, I don't smoke anymore because I think it's bad.
I don't think weed made me perform worse in school, but it did plunder through my ego and my character by making me self conscious and overthink about stupid shit all the time, aka depression.
YMMV though. But I'd be careful not to get caught up in the negative thoughts.

I came to the same conclusion about pot being bad for me because of the perpetuating negative thoughts all the time, so I don't smoke much anymore.

 

[Kadarin]

OP's ex is just plain stupid.

"It's bad because it's illegal."
"It's bad because it impairs your judgment." (yet she drinks alcohol)
"It's bad because it's smoking." (marijuana can be eaten, or inhaled via a vaporizer, thus negating the harmful effects)

Based on the original post, the ex is completely incapable of logical reasoning and critical thinking.

 

[zoiks]

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Is it just me, or do a lot of people just hate weed because it is illegal in some places and they can't come up with a better argument than that?

That's exactly it. They've been so indoctrinated by the drug war propoganda, media and anti-drug programs that they really can't bring themselves to look outside that world-view.

What's the outside world view? That you smoke it so it must be okay?

 

[Ns1]

Nm

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Is it just me, or do a lot of people just hate weed because it is illegal in some places and they can't come up with a better argument than that?

That's exactly it. They've been so indoctrinated by the drug war propoganda, media and anti-drug programs that they really can't bring themselves to look outside that world-view.

What's the outside world view? That you smoke it so it must be okay?

It's that a lot of people have some sort of moral thing against drugs that get you high.

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Is it just me, or do a lot of people just hate weed because it is illegal in some places and they can't come up with a better argument than that?

That's exactly it. They've been so indoctrinated by the drug war propoganda, media and anti-drug programs that they really can't bring themselves to look outside that world-view.

What's the outside world view? That you smoke it so it must be okay?

It's that a lot of people have some sort of moral thing against drugs that get you high.

Chalk it up to our rich Puritan heritage. Pleasure must only come from approved sources and even then must be justified by some sort of productivity or else have a significant penalty attached to it. Marijuana is an easy to grow plant that makes you happy and hungry, so of course it must be wrong to use it.

 

[0roo0roo]

it should be legal.
but the advocates shouldn't take the taxing thing too far. tax too far and you create a submarket for gangs and organized crime to come in with cheaper stuff. its already happening to cigarettes because of the ridiculous tax levels. you can make it self defeating.

 

[Perknose]

Smoking pot is simply a decision the State should not be in the business of making for adults, something both liberals (notorious indiscriminate fun seekers) and conservatives (stalwart men and women who might well be men of principle, and guns) should be able to agree on.

 

[SlitheryDee]

"Everyone I ever saw who smoked pot was a lazy waste of space, so that proves pot destroys a person's motivation and eventually ruins their lives".

That's the only argument I ever hear.

What about those people who smoke pot privately and then go on about their lives just like you do? They take baths like you, dress as well as you, make as much money as you, worry about their mortgage and stock portfolio like you, and probably outnumber your useless morons who would have still been failures if pot didn't exist. How are you even going to tell they are potheads at all? If you can't, then what does that tell you about pot and about people? How do you explain the droves of useless morons who manage to fuck up their lives without ever touching pot? Are they a different breed of idiot entirely?

 

[miniMUNCH]

Based upon your sig, OP, i'd say you need to stop smoking weed stat...

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: astroidea
I remember having a similar discussion with my GF a while back. Fast forward 3 years, I don't smoke anymore because I think it's bad.
I don't think weed made me perform worse in school, but it did plunder through my ego and my character by making me self conscious and overthink about stupid shit all the time, aka depression.
YMMV though. But I'd be careful not to get caught up in the negative thoughts.

eh.... my opinion on that, is that it is not the drug making it so, just the drug opening the mind to let it come through more.

I can let myself get that way easily, but the issue is... that's not the drug doing it, it's the person letting it happen. All the drug is doing is opening up the person's mind, but the mind itself was already kind of pre-wired for it, but wasn't showcasing it. It's a self-control thing, controlling oneself not to dwell on the negative.

Really, depression is something that everyone is capable of. Some have a brain constructed in such a way that basically makes it an extreme challenge to escape from, others just need a little convincing, either from others or from within. That's life, life can bring about the blues easily. Drugs of all sort, including alcohol, can open up the mind in ways that we aren't normally prepared for, and it takes an individual with a stronger mind to keep themselves in check.
I mean, look at all the extremely out-going potheads. Very hard-working, very interpersonal, yet love to indulge in the green. I've known some very successful potheads, and I've known some very stereotypical potheads.

Drugs are not responsible for anyone getting into any specific mental state, they just make it easier to slip into that mental state if they don't have self-discipline.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Perknose
Smoking pot is simply a decision the State should not be in the business of making for adults, something both liberals (notorious indiscriminate fun seekers) and conservatives (stalwart men and women who might well be men of principle, and guns) should be able to agree on.

these days neither party knows where they originated, other than hardcore Republicans being very moral-centric, and Liberals - not so much.

Both have evolved a great deal, and it is said that both have completely forgotten the original principal of small government. Libertarians are trying to make that a big issue again, but couple both the fact that they have such a small base of people in agreement, and that they don't support public financing for campaigns, of which makes it hard to reach out to more people to get more to agree with... and that some haven't even heard of the Libertarian party... it's quite a shame.

The only party that absolutely cherishes the ideals this country was founded on, the majority of the population either doesn't fight for the party, or hasn't even heard of them. Kind of depressing.

Because on that note, that exact issue of the State (aka, country) having that power, is one of the fundamental issues of the Libertarians.

The way I think it should be, and was supposed to be - the Federal government has no power on it, but the States can have power on it as long as it doesn't go against any written laws of the Federal level. Of course there needs to be a balance - things like cocaine and heroin need not be possible to use legally, imho, but the non-issue drugs, of which can be easily controlled through the public market, specifically through regulations, is the ideal path. That balance is the thing our government has the hardest time figuring out. Too little regulation, leads to issues, and then boom, regulations of such massive proportions one could never have imagined them. Seeing it with the finance sector right now.

 

[narzy]

I know like ***bong rip*** if it were legal ***joint drag*** it would be like a lot easier to find ***cough cough cough***

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: narzy
I know like ***bong rip*** if it were legal ***joint drag*** it would be like a lot easier to find ***cough cough cough***

hell, it's a better pain med than most prescription narcotics. That alone should at least give it some weight.

Some things aren't just about personal issue, because people are going to use it whether its illegal or not. Some people, whether they use it or not, just believe it would be better for it to be legal so others can use it without problems with the law, specifically because there is no reason for it to be illegal, and can be viewed as infringing on personal rights. That can be argued easily on both sides, so that won't be for this thread. However, if it is ever legalized I'd definitely be in favor of careful regulations. Basically, unlike the mess up with tobacco, learn from that adventure in time, and have the FDA in control.

And as soon as its legalized, that would give farmers the right to begin growing THC-free Marijuana strains (hemp), of which would be an amazing ethanol source - absolutely destroys corn. Not sure how it competes with Switchgrass, but we don't need to be using food resources for fuel, unless its the waste products of said food resources, like with sugar cane.

 

[SolMiester]

At 43, I have smoked wacky for around 27 yrs, and probably nearly evry day for the last 15....I admit, sometimes you feel a little lethargic getting out of bed, however I hold a down a ful time professional IT position in management and have NEVER been out of work except when travelling, of which I spent 15 yrs abroad in Europe\UK.
I have a family of 2 kids and 3 step children and 2 homes. Moderation like every thing in life is the key. Hell, half my great ideas come from a little puff!

 

[piasabird]

Do whatever makes you feel happy.

Eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we die. . . .

Next you will want to smoke crack or do some Meth. . . .

It might be legal to take a dump on your kitchen table but that does not mean it is a good idea!

A lot of people in California are being killed for legally growing it. Others are killed when they get high and they burn their house down. I think you are just an addict. Maybe your wife will send your texts to the local FBI Office or the police department. Do you even love your wife? If you really want an argument tell her if she quits drinking alcohol, you will quit MJ. Tell her she is an alcoholic.

 

[SolMiester]

You talking to me, an addict.....probably, I also have a drink everyday, not drunk though, does that make me an alcoholic?.

 

[narzy]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: narzy
I know like ***bong rip*** if it were legal ***joint drag*** it would be like a lot easier to find ***cough cough cough***

hell, it's a better pain med than most prescription narcotics. That alone should at least give it some weight.

Some things aren't just about personal issue, because people are going to use it whether its illegal or not. Some people, whether they use it or not, just believe it would be better for it to be legal so others can use it without problems with the law, specifically because there is no reason for it to be illegal, and can be viewed as infringing on personal rights. That can be argued easily on both sides, so that won't be for this thread. However, if it is ever legalized I'd definitely be in favor of careful regulations. Basically, unlike the mess up with tobacco, learn from that adventure in time, and have the FDA in control.

And as soon as its legalized, that would give farmers the right to begin growing THC-free Marijuana strains (hemp), of which would be an amazing ethanol source - absolutely destroys corn. Not sure how it competes with Switchgrass, but we don't need to be using food resources for fuel, unless its the waste products of said food resources, like with sugar cane.

hey I'm with ya, legalize it.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: piasabird
A lot of people in California are being killed for legally growing it. Others are killed when they get high and they burn their house down.

Got a source for either of these?

 

[Yukmouth]

I know what she's votin for

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: piasabird
A lot of people in California are being killed for legally growing it. Others are killed when they get high and they burn their house down.

Can you name any single source for either statement, or are you talking out your ass?